Dolman_Stand Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Surely has to get a ban for simulation yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Whilst a blatant dive, He didn't fool the ref so there won' be any retrospective action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Didn’t claim for it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted November 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, pride of the west said: Whilst a blatant dive, He didn't fool the ref so there won' be any retrospective action. If that's true then what a backward system?! Surely if a 2-match ban can be retrospectively issued which is the equivalent of a red card, then if a player is caught by the referee at the time then by default it should be a red card offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Dolman_Stand said: If that's true then what a backward system?! Surely if a 2-match ban can be retrospectively issued which is the equivalent of a red card, then if a player is caught by the referee at the time then by default it should be a red card offence? As the (******* stupid ) rules stand, the simulation has to lead to a goal or sending off. I don't see that it makes that much of a difference, the intent is/was exactly the same. The Ref will only ever issue a yellow, but the hindsight committee effectively give a Red . There are always ones where the Ref may not give a pen thinking it's a dive, but isn't 100% sure so leaves it there, to my mind every one should be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Definitely should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: As the (******* stupid ) rules stand, the simulation has to lead to a goal or sending off. I don't see that it makes that much of a difference, the intent is/was exactly the same. The Ref will only ever issue a yellow, but the hindsight committee effectively give a Red . There are always ones where the Ref may not give a pen thinking it's a dive, but isn't 100% sure so leaves it there, to my mind every one should be looked at. Penalty or sending off Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Penalty or sending off Mike Yep and still those that do not grasp the concept. It is a non issue to the FA until the referee is embarrassed. You can try and deceive officals all you wants. You can actually deceive officials all you want unless it is to get a penalty or someone sent off. Basically their rule is to make it look like they are doing something while actually doing the bare minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 32 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Penalty or sending off Mike It's what I meant init Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Luke Ayling is a blatant cheat. Clear to all. Shame. We have our own here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 36 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Yep and still those that do not grasp the concept. It is a non issue to the FA until the referee is embarrassed. You can try and deceive officals all you wants. You can actually deceive officials all you want unless it is to get a penalty or someone sent off. Basically their rule is to make it look like they are doing something while actually doing the bare minimum. Think they simply couldn't even begin to hope to post adjudicate on the workload every case of cheating (simulation) across every fixture Which is a sad reflection on how common it is and how widespread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Luke Ayling is a blatant cheat. Clear to all. Shame. We have our own here too. Yet many ex pros like fat boy Cundy will claim he was being 'professional' and has the 'right to go down' etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Think they simply couldn't even begin to hope to post adjudicate on the workload every case of cheating (simulation) across every fixture Which is a sad reflection on how common it is and how widespread Misses the point I feel. Start by looking at them all and the number to look at will fall dramatically, quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: Misses the point I feel. Start by looking at them all and the number to look at will fall dramatically, quickly. True ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Didn’t look like simulation. Fell over, claimed nothing, got up quickly and carried on. Not every tumble is either a foul or cheating ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Leveller said: Didn’t look like simulation. Fell over, claimed nothing, got up quickly and carried on. Not every tumble is either a foul or cheating ffs. Fell over? In my view he did the textbook "lost use of legs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whale Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Had a feeling someone would post about this. Personally thought he tried to dive, then realised it was a pathetic attempt and that's why he didn't appeal. Perhaps I'm too cynical and he did just lose his footing. The Sky commentator said that he didn't appeal so it wasn't a dive (or words to that extent). Do you need to appeal for it to still be a dive? I don't think you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 No way did he slip. Blatant dive imo, he thought there was going to be contact and went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Gazred said: No way did he slip. Blatant dive imo, he thought there was going to be contact and went down. Exactly. Realised the defender was nowhere near him, the expected contact didn't materialise and thought "ill look like a 24 carat cheat if I don't get up and pretend nothing happened". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Gazred said: No way did he slip. Blatant dive imo, he thought there was going to be contact and went down. It’s impossible to be sure. But for me, far too many fouls are given when players simply fall over or bump into each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Leveller said: It’s impossible to be sure. But for me, far too many fouls are given when players simply fall over or bump into each other. That's also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: Exactly. Realised the defender was nowhere near him, the expected contact didn't materialise and thought "ill look like a 24 carat cheat if I don't get up and pretend nothing happened". Yep. Spot on. Unsure what qualifies to go before the review panel but if that's not cheating i dont know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Leveller said: It’s impossible to be sure. But for me, far too many fouls are given when players simply fall over or bump into each other. Yep, can't argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, Leveller said: Didn’t look like simulation. Fell over, claimed nothing, got up quickly and carried on. Not every tumble is either a foul or cheating ffs. Fell over? It was a blatant dive. He only got up quickly because he was embarrassed. He even apologized to the referee after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Luke Ayling is a blatant cheat. Clear to all. Shame. We have our own here too. Are you referring to THAT dive by Bas Savage against Yeovil? Surely there is a time limit on a retrospective ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 What about Siaz of Leeds. Went down under a challenge and ref gives free kick. Siaz clutching his foot , when a player came over to him and said something to him. He soon got up to compain. Blatant cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 I agree. Clearly dived and realised how pathetic it was, so didn't appeal. He knew what would have happened had he stayed down or appealed. Still an attempt to decieve though and he definitely did not lose his balance, slip or trip. May get away with it though as he didnt put his hands up to his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 If it was a dive why didn't he appeal?, seemingly a waste of a dive, looked to me like he fell over and got straight up with no appeal no indignation and got on with the game. If we are talking dives Andre Ayew for West Ham against Leicester on Friday night was nailed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 He’s actually turned into a pretty unpleasant player IMO, he seems to do lots of things now that he didn’t do whilst here....the Leeds effect.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: He’s actually turned into a pretty unpleasant player IMO, he seems to do lots of things now that he didn’t do whilst here....the Leeds effect.... I totally agree with you and to see some of our own fans on twitter tweeting him in the cringiest way possible for him to come back after our game with them was absolutely ridiculous. The one player of the double winning team I'm not a fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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