DT The Optimist Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Not so sure about some of the thoughts here. Every club in the land now talks about the ‘group’. Still a squad as far as I am concerned. LJ has alluded to the fact we have a centre back doing ok at RB but means we are not as fluid as he would like. He rates Zak, but not yet ! So for sure we will get a RB on loan early doors. That should not upset the group bonding A forward as well. Duric is crocked, Farmer, who knows, late winter I guess before he is near the first team. Loan or permanent signing. Even if we miss out this year we must carry on building so I guessing permenant signing. That lump who played for Palace against us was useful! Woodrow is never mentioned here, or Engervall. Forgotten men ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Thick end of £30m for that lot. Not happening. Two loans, one perm. Hardly £30M!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 11 hours ago, tts_city said: Apparently 8 million will land our record signing, removed the name as although i think it might be bollox i dont want to jeopordize it either, played very well against us this season. Make of that what you will. Lee Tomlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 12 hours ago, Pezo said: I hope we look at the right players at the right price. We do well because everyone works hard no big buck pre Madonnas here please. To be fair I wouldn't mind a pre Madonna. Could develop into a top player under LJ. On another note, deffo don't want any prima donnas, would upset the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandsroad Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Jordan hugell centre forward Preston what a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Couple of decent loans from the prem might be way forward rather wasting money with good players probably back in January onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 24 minutes ago, leylandsroad said: Jordan hugell centre forward Preston what a player. He isn't worth £8m surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, tinman85 said: Gary liked a sideways midfield player!! Carle had some good touches but was largely ineffective. Warnock bought him for £1M a few months later. Warnock likes fat boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Said on another thread , would love some quality in January but my first and foremost use of any budget would actually be tying up Flint , Bryan , Bobby and Brownhill if push comes to shove I was just about to post the same. Also getting the likes FD , COD , and EP back to fitness. I think we only need a couple of additions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 The amount of money spent doesn’t make any difference, it has to be a case that we look to strengthen where necessary & spend whatever that takes if LJ identifies his preferred targets. I think the the issue with the comparison with 2008 is that we didn’t seem to believe in ourselves & didn’t back ourselves & that then meant we left ourselves a little short whereas if we had backed ourselves with just a little bit more money & foresight, we would have been in a better position for the next couple of seasons even if we had failed to get promotion but instead we went backwards! The difference this time is we have a young squad geared towards progression over the next few years rather than having a squad full of players who are coming to the ends of their careers & leaving us with little potential money coming in from their resale value where as the majority of our current squad all have the potential to make us more money than we paid for them & this is the way the club need to progress. We now have the club geared up for progression & SL is seemingly willing to back that vision financially, in 2008 (and around those years) money was seemingly wasted on players that had already seen their best days & it would see us improve our bench but not our first team (so much), now we seem to be trying to bring in players who will improve our first team & that in turn improves our squad but it means it’s money better spent because we are seeing the results on the pitch. Gradually it means our squad value increases, so whereas our players individual value in 2008 was possibly £1m per player, we are possibly looking at £4m per player now & that shows the progression we are making. Now that doesn’t mean we can’t sign players for £1m or so but on the whole we are now shopping in a different market in the hope that improves us now. Let’s not sign players to improve our bench, let’s sign players to improve our starting eleven & allow that to filter down through the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, tinman85 said: He isn't worth £8m surely. Pressure supposedly turned down £8 for him during the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I think we need one more striker - in my head I'm thinking a big, veteran target man. Good work ethic, plenty of Championship experience and who has been there and seen it all. Not necessarily an out and out striker - more someone who can create chances and space for the guy next to him. In fact, the more I think about it only one man fits the bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Tipps69 said: Pressure supposedly turned down £8 for him during the summer. Not surprised. I'm willing to double that out of my own pocket if it helps us get him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: Not surprised. I'm willing to double that out of my own pocket if it helps us get him! God knows what happened there but it was supposed to say ‘Preston supposedly turned down £8m for him during the summer’!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Tipps69 said: The amount of money spent doesn’t make any difference, it has to be a case that we look to strengthen where necessary & spend whatever that takes if LJ identifies his preferred targets. I think the the issue with the comparison with 2008 is that we didn’t seem to believe in ourselves & didn’t back ourselves & that then meant we left ourselves a little short whereas if we had backed ourselves with just a little bit more money & foresight, we would have been in a better position for the next couple of seasons even if we had failed to get promotion but instead we went backwards! The difference this time is we have a young squad geared towards progression over the next few years rather than having a squad full of players who are coming to the ends of their careers & leaving us with little potential money coming in from their resale value where as the majority of our current squad all have the potential to make us more money than we paid for them & this is the way the club need to progress. We now have the club geared up for progression & SL is seemingly willing to back that vision financially, in 2008 (and around those years) money was seemingly wasted on players that had already seen their best days & it would see us improve our bench but not our first team (so much), now we seem to be trying to bring in players who will improve our first team & that in turn improves our squad but it means it’s money better spent because we are seeing the results on the pitch. Gradually it means our squad value increases, so whereas our players individual value in 2008 was possibly £1m per player, we are possibly looking at £4m per player now & that shows the progression we are making. Now that doesn’t mean we can’t sign players for £1m or so but on the whole we are now shopping in a different market in the hope that improves us now. Let’s not sign players to improve our bench, let’s sign players to improve our starting eleven & allow that to filter down through the squad. I'd agree. I think we can take a (calculated) risk and invest heavily on a player who will make a real difference. Arguably, depending on how Pisano and Diedhiou are getting on, we need loan signings to cover their positions but I think I'd like us to spend the bulk (and maybe even all) of the sum available on a quality central midfielder. I honestly think that could be the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 17 hours ago, tinman85 said: We blew it in 2008 by not enhancing the squad with big money signings in the January. This is the best chance we will ever have. Let's spend big and bring in players who will improve us further. A top powerful striker to partner Bobby and central midfield player, plus right back as cover. What, we blew it by reaching the play off final? We blew it by being 'one' game away from a place in the Prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmerred Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Personally think we'll sign Barry Bannan and pay 8-10m to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I'd agree. I think we can take a (calculated) risk and invest heavily on a player who will make a real difference. Arguably, depending on how Pisano and Diedhiou are getting on, we need loan signings to cover their positions but I think I'd like us to spend the bulk (and maybe even all) of the sum available on a quality central midfielder. I honestly think that could be the difference. That’s exactly it, that one player could make all the difference, bring the quality of the team right up & also make other potential signings (in the future) sit up & take notice. I think that was the sort of thing Cotts was hoping for when he made the moves for Gayle & Gray, that one big money ‘marquee’ (nothing to do with the minimal ground) signing to then make others realise that we’re a club worth joining. We are of course now in a position where we can ask for other players opinions of potential signings from countries from further afield & this can help with info gathering & with potentially making players aware of our interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Can't believe people saying sakho, he's going to be on 40-50k a week at least and will cost an arm and a leg, if we get a top quality centre mid I'll be delighted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 2008 isn't even comparable to this year. In 2008 we had a team of mostly League One players, playing out of their skin and thriving on a combination of momentum and other teams underestimating us. Gary Johnson was a motivator, not a master tactician, although I do love the guy. We genuinely were punching above our weight. This season we have a squad built around the aim of sustained success, with money spent wisely on transfers rather than wages, meaning that we don't have a prolonged period of high wages should something go wrong, again, unlike 2008. Players are bought for the future rather than the now, hence the difference between this season and last, and this team will only get better. 2008, I agree we could have done with strengthening. It was then, or never. Now, we need to add subtly, and not go mental with transfers, as we will get another opportunity if this season doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, nebristolred said: 2008 isn't even comparable to this year. In 2008 we had a team of mostly League One players, playing out of their skin and thriving on a combination of momentum and other teams underestimating us. Gary Johnson was a motivator, not a master tactician, although I do love the guy. We genuinely were punching above our weight. This season we have a squad built around the aim of sustained success, with money spent wisely on transfers rather than wages, meaning that we don't have a prolonged period of high wages should something go wrong, again, unlike 2008. Players are bought for the future rather than the now, hence the difference between this season and last, and this team will only get better. 2008, I agree we could have done with strengthening. It was then, or never. Now, we need to add subtly, and not go mental with transfers, as we will get another opportunity if this season doesn't work out. Really good post. I was looking at the table yesterday and realised that - whilst i’m not by any means confident we are going to go up- I really can’t see any reason why we can’t. In 07-08, it always felt like we were punching above our weight. We got walloped at Ipswich and ultimately had no squad depth so an injury in the final basically scuppered our chances. This season we spent the first four weeks without one of our best defenders, have had long term injuries to two of our key summer signings and - first half v Leeds aside - the squad has held up. Whenever we lose, we bounce back and we’ve gone to a recently relegated premier league team, played terribly and still got a dramatic victory. On top of which our second XI has knocked half the premier league out the League Cup. Wolves look like winning the league. But after that? Villa are probably favourites but are prone to a bad performance, Derby are inconsistent, I honestly don’t think Cardiff are better than we are (though Warnock is a wily Manager), Sheffield Utd must be as surprised as we are to be where they are and everyone else is a few points behind us. There is a long way to go and anything could happen. We may be unlucky or our form could drop off. Other teams may improve dramatically and us not keep up. But, at the moment, I think we are where we deserve to be and I see no reason why we can’t compete again next season if this year does not pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 What’s Stern John up to these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 20 hours ago, Tomarse said: ..and rock the balance and harmony of what we currently have? No. We buy wisely and perhaps only some loans perhaps Faustino Asprilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Daniel Johnson, having thought about it to a great extent, would be the player I think would propel us to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Daniel Johnson, having thought about it to a great extent, would be the player I think would propel us to the next level. My choice too. Just a thought, would he have come up through the same Villa youth system as Bakes I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: My choice too. Just a thought, would he have come up through the same Villa youth system as Bakes I wonder? He's a year younger than Baker, but their paths would have undoubtedly crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 I hear LJ has three lists to work from Harrods Selfridges or M & S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Big C said: I hear LJ has three lists to work from Harrods Selfridges or M & S A hell of a lot better than the horse punchers list, Aldi, Lidl & Oxfam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: A hell of a lot better than the horse punchers list, Aldi, Lidl & Oxfam Clarke said he has only spent £135,000 on players since taking charge in March 2014 and that he has drawn up a "Waitrose, Aldi and Poundland" list for the January transfer window, which he will present to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandsroad Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 03/12/2017 at 10:52, leylandsroad said: Jordan hugell centre forward Preston what a player. I strike again, he’s perfect for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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