BobBobSuperBob Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 39 minutes ago, spudski said: I've got nothing against Warnock as a person BBSB.... I don't like his style of playing football, as I don't think it has long term benefits for any club. My reference to his abilities as a coach are also not just pointed at his time at Cardiff. His assistants over the years, not just Cardiff, have done all the coaching. It's well known he spends very little time compared to other managers and coaches with the players during the week. The reference to spending time with his wife, isn't a dig, I know she's been ill...but he's done this for years, way before she wasn't well, so it's not a recent thing. His 'difference' comes on match day, before and during the game. He is very motivational and intimidating at the same time. Not so sure about that mate If anywhere near true - then he's (consistently) picked some bloody good assistants / coaches ! Most promoted manager Prefer to watch the football we are playing , but boy is Warnock effective , and very underrated tactically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Not so sure about that mate If anywhere near true - then he's (consistently) picked some bloody good assistants / coaches ! Most promoted manager Prefer to watch the football we are playing , but boy is Warnock effective , and very underrated tactically Blackwell's connection with Warnock goes right back to the mid 80's...and he's followed him pretty much ever since. Jepson has also been close to Warnock since his Huddersfield days in the 90's. His 'tactics' are anti football. His teams have the ball in play statistically the least amount of time. On purpose. He does everything he can to waste time and play the percentages. He gets players to cheat, get in the refs and officials faces, waste time, play the channels and get the ball in the box and shoot on sight. It's very 'anti football' and imo, not good for the game. If every team played Warnock's way...fans would leave in their droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Packman said: He’s a f#%*#%g arrogant cheating horrible w*^*#r. Wouldn’t want him anywhere near our club. Funnily enough, there are some people who are STILL saying that type of thing about our own Lee J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, spudski said: Blackwell's connection with Warnock goes right back to the mid 80's...and he's followed him pretty much ever since. Jepson has also been close to Warnock since his Huddersfield days in the 90's. His 'tactics' are anti football. His teams have the ball in play statistically the least amount of time. On purpose. He does everything he can to waste time and play the percentages. He gets players to cheat, get in the refs and officials faces, waste time, play the channels and get the ball in the box and shoot on sight. It's very 'anti football' and imo, not good for the game. If every team played Warnock's way...fans would leave in their droves. Get the impression you don't like him Spud ! In theory in an ideal world all football would be sublime and we all love to see such football and most of us have been grilled with some of the football played under Cotts and more recently LJ , two different styles and methods of play but both good to watch Not a fan of some of Warnock tactics but he's damned effective and if every side tried to play the same way football , and without characters of whatever type, would actually become totally sterile and eventually boring I thought you were against all things sterile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 For me it'll be a sad day when he retires. He adds spice and the way he rubs everyone up the wrong way makes football more than just a game. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-boss-neil-warnock-12627825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 45 minutes ago, spudski said: Blackwell's connection with Warnock goes right back to the mid 80's...and he's followed him pretty much ever since. Jepson has also been close to Warnock since his Huddersfield days in the 90's. His 'tactics' are anti football. His teams have the ball in play statistically the least amount of time. On purpose. He does everything he can to waste time and play the percentages. He gets players to cheat, get in the refs and officials faces, waste time, play the channels and get the ball in the box and shoot on sight. It's very 'anti football' and imo, not good for the game. If every team played Warnock's way...fans would leave in their droves. Agree, he is a spoiler, and I hope he doesn't get what he doesn't deserve with promotion, especially with that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Get the impression you don't like him Spud ! In theory in an ideal world all football would be sublime and we all love to see such football and most of us have been grilled with some of the football played under Cotts and more recently LJ , two different styles and methods of play but both good to watch Not a fan of some of Warnock tactics but he's damned effective and if every side tried to play the same way football , and without characters of whatever type, would actually become totally sterile and eventually boring I thought you were against all things sterile Like I said in my previous post BBSB...I have nothing against Warnock the person. I just don't agree with his style of playing football and how he goes about it. I see it as no different to trying to cheat the ref by taking a dive...which I know from someone who's worked with him, he encourages. In saying that...many do these days. Yes...he's the pantomime villain...and it does add colour to football. However...I'd want him no where near this Club or wish him on any other. I feel for any young player wanting to break through at Cardiff...good luck with that under Warnock. My GF's family are all Cardiff supporters...they all like him. You can imagine the banter....you just know we're both going to the play off finals...it's written :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I quite like him. He revels in being the pantomime villain and is very effective at being vocal on the touchline. He also seems really good at motivating players. I've never met him but I've heard that he's a decent enough bloke when he's away from his manager's persona. I wouldn't want him at City, though. I don't like the way his teams play football, setting out to stifle games. Maybe effective as a short term fix in a crisis (e.g. a relegation fight) but not building a solid base for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 11 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: COLIN has deservedly made a name for himself in football management... .....nobody in World sport does anagrams better! ( unless anyone knows better? ) Well if you rearrange "Bristol Rovers" enough you get "Bristol Rovers"....how embarrassing is that?? 3 hours ago, CyderInACan said: Great analogy. We've all got a mate like that! I haven't.... wait...does that make me that mate?!? As for Warnock, bollocks to promotion. I'd rather spend years pootling around the Championship trying to play the right way than spending a few years suffering his brand of "football" just to reach the "promised land". Ask West Brom fans and they'd say the same thing after enduring Penis for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, spudski said: Like I said in my previous post...I have nothing against Warnock the person. Yes...he's the pantomime villain...and it does add colour to football. My GF's family are all Cardiff supporters...they all like him. You can imagine the banter....you just know we're both going to the play off finals...it's written Here's hoping, but can you imagine the carnage on the M4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I actually prefer managers with different styles of football. Lets be honest Pep is the best around but if we had 92 managers like him it would be pretty boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider-Head23 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I cant stand him.. is he a good manager? yes would I want the crook anywhere near our club with his playing style? no Some will say it's effective which it is.. but imagine watching that everyone as the stats above show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, 054123 said: I don't deny he gets results. To me he's like the mate you've got who every time you go out acts like a dick and trys to kick off or something. To you and your circle, he's alright and actually a really good bloke once you get to know him. To everyone else who sporadically comes into contact with him, he's just a tool. Given none of my mates seem to be like that, I am now worried it's me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 45 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Agree, he is a spoiler, and I hope he doesn't get what he doesn't deserve with promotion, especially with that lot. Nor me, but sadly, I would not bet against it currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernored Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Living in Cornwall have seen him a few times, always has time to stop and talk football. Only saw him a few weeks ago and he was VERY complementary on how we are playing and the style of our football. he is a very nice person away from football, and always willing to give his time to talk. Can't say that I am enamored by his style of play, but can only say as I found him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesleywalksoncider Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Never liked Warnock, can't stand his style of football, if every team played in a Warnock style, I doubt I would watch much football. I know some people will say it's all about the result but for me, while I want us to win it's about how we play as well, so the style of football and in the correct spirit is important for me. If anyone incident epitomises Warnock it's was when Sheffield United played West Brom, and the game was abandoned, it was known as the Battle of Bramall Lane. Like many have said I understand he is a nice chap away from football. However, I never want him down the gate unless he is the opposing manager when a win is all the sweeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 12 hours ago, RUSSEL85 said: Colin is a very good manager and during our bad run last season I would have crawled through broken glass to get him here. He would steadied the ship but so glad our owners stood by their decision, shows I don't know very much about football management. Totally agree a right wind up merchant but a great manager has had success with every club. the blokes took on crap sides like Rotherham plymouth Notts county in lower leagues an look what hes done at Cardiff who were dropping like a stone not a nice bloke maybe but quality manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 11 hours ago, ben91tucker said: Don't like him but he' doing something right to be up there with these stats It isn't despite these stats, it is because of those stats. Anti football (and he is a****). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Didn't see much wrong wit the way they played second half last night, really should have won the game in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Offside said: I quite like him. He revels in being the pantomime villain and is very effective at being vocal on the touchline. He also seems really good at motivating players. I've never met him but I've heard that he's a decent enough bloke when he's away from his manager's persona. I wouldn't want him at City, though. I don't like the way his teams play football, setting out to stifle games. Maybe effective as a short term fix in a crisis (e.g. a relegation fight) but not building a solid base for the future. He's not in a relegation fight now though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 It’s effective but wouldn’t want him here. Rather have a team succeed by actually trying to play football than do everything they can to not. As for ‘a special day when Warnock comes to town’ ... cringe. It’s a special day when he ***** off again because his team and his antics are so enraging to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 42 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Totally agree a right wind up merchant but a great manager has had success with every club. the blokes took on crap sides like Rotherham plymouth Notts county in lower leagues an look what hes done at Cardiff who were dropping like a stone not a nice bloke maybe but quality manager But isn't that the whole argument? Apparently (I have never met him) he is a nice bloke and, like or hate his style of football - I am not a fan - he does have a good record in the 'lower' leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Jr. Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Definitely not a genius. Good man-management is one thing, but those managers inevitably lose speed/the players after a while once they're tactically found out. Happens to Pardew on a very regular basis. It's not just trigger happy chairmen that are to blame for managers constantly getting the chop. Ferguson was so good because he knew tactics AND man-management, and mind games. He had it all. The reason Warnock, Allardyce and co do well from the outset is because they have a simple gameplan that is easy to learn and tricky to break down. It's a perfectly valid form of playing, but also is a kind of last resort when a club is in disarray. It's only bearable for so long. I'd much rather LJ than Warnock any day because he clearly prepares his tactics for each specific game, and in doing so makes his players more intelligent and tactically aware. Obviously I've no idea what his man management skills are like, but the squad seem to be pretty together, Reid is playing his best football with us, and players like Smith and Flint seem to be back to their best. I wouldn't rule out having Warnock at the club if City spiraled in the next few years and were in a bad way, but I wouldn't want him at the club for more than a year, as that's all he's good for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I wouldn't call him a genius but he has had success at several clubs across all levels albeit at a price for some of them so a Pariah he cannot be .. Fascinating to see how Sheff Utd have cloned him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow&Blue&Red Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 13 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: COLIN has deservedly made a name for himself in football management... .....nobody in World sport does anagrams better! ( unless anyone knows better? ) Have you ever seen Nick Cuftung play? Nast piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, RobintheRed Red said: Totally agree a right wind up merchant but a great manager has had success with every club. the blokes took on crap sides like Rotherham plymouth Notts county in lower leagues an look what hes done at Cardiff who were dropping like a stone not a nice bloke maybe but quality manager He probably is a nice bloke, just not when it comes to the football side of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Luxo Jr. said: Definitely not a genius. Good man-management is one thing, but those managers inevitably lose speed/the players after a while once they're tactically found out. Happens to Pardew on a very regular basis. It's not just trigger happy chairmen that are to blame for managers constantly getting the chop. Ferguson was so good because he knew tactics AND man-management, and mind games. He had it all. The reason Warnock, Allardyce and co do well from the outset is because they have a simple gameplan that is easy to learn and tricky to break down. It's a perfectly valid form of playing, but also is a kind of last resort when a club is in disarray. It's only bearable for so long. I'd much rather LJ than Warnock any day because he clearly prepares his tactics for each specific game, and in doing so makes his players more intelligent and tactically aware. Obviously I've no idea what his man management skills are like, but the squad seem to be pretty together, Reid is playing his best football with us, and players like Smith and Flint seem to be back to their best. I wouldn't rule out having Warnock at the club if City spiraled in the next few years and were in a bad way, but I wouldn't want him at the club for more than a year, as that's all he's good for. I wouldn't put Warnock and Big Sam in the same sentence. Completely different. Allardyce is one of the most astute managers around. He was at the forefront of technical data and stats with football, and still is. He uses that data well, and incorporates it into his team building and structure. He's a misunderstood manager imo...most people think he's old hat, but he's far from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Funnily enough, there are some people who are STILL saying that type of thing about our own Lee J. Quite a few live in Sheffield post codes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Luxo Jr. said: Definitely not a genius. Good man-management is one thing, but those managers inevitably lose speed/the players after a while once they're tactically found out. Happens to Pardew on a very regular basis. It's not just trigger happy chairmen that are to blame for managers constantly getting the chop. Ferguson was so good because he knew tactics AND man-management, and mind games. He had it all. The reason Warnock, Allardyce and co do well from the outset is because they have a simple gameplan that is easy to learn and tricky to break down. It's a perfectly valid form of playing, but also is a kind of last resort when a club is in disarray. It's only bearable for so long. I'd much rather LJ than Warnock any day because he clearly prepares his tactics for each specific game, and in doing so makes his players more intelligent and tactically aware. Obviously I've no idea what his man management skills are like, but the squad seem to be pretty together, Reid is playing his best football with us, and players like Smith and Flint seem to be back to their best. I wouldn't rule out having Warnock at the club if City spiraled in the next few years and were in a bad way, but I wouldn't want him at the club for more than a year, as that's all he's good for. I was just going to give you a like, but I have none left. So, for the record, your post sort of corresponds with my views on Colin: for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 He has something in common with Mourinho in that, although he has an impressive track record and gets results, he brings the game into disrepute almost every time he loses. Neither of them ae capable of saying "we were beaten by a better team" instead it is always 'we were cheated", "the ref was biased", "it should have/should not have (delete according to which way it went), been a penalty", "he should have/should never have, been sent off". It is tedious and childish, I would prefer both of them gone fom the game. I don't find it entertaining or a sign of them being 'winners', it is just churlish, small minded children who cannot behave like grown ups. So, on balance, I'd say I am in the 'Against' camp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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