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Michael effing Gray

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This man barely hides his contempt for Bcfc. Today he grudgingly gave LJ credit with the caveat, that we have a rich owner. If we're so priveleged, how come we had to sell kodjia to villa for 7 times what we paid for him. We are comparatively skint compared to those around us in the league, so don't give us that you fool!

 

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We didn't 'have' to sell Kodjia, SL said to get as much for him after the cup game incident, there was no intent to sell him otherwise regardless of our summer spend, which had exceeded £10m. 

On our finances I'd say we're likely now pushing top half, not a huge amount of teams in this league spend £5.3m on one player. A lot of teams work off buy low sell bigger. Even if SL doesn't pump money into transfers he allows the club to spend by ensuring we'll never be in financial difficulty which is a better position than a lot of other clubs. Other clubs also don't have investors who will finance the redevelopment of the stadium at no expense of the club, even Arsenal went light on their transfer spending for a number of years.

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3 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said:

He's an idiot,don't most teams have rich owners? Why are Wolves suddenly top and running away with it?

He's bitter because we didn't sell flint to his beloved Sunderland. Flinty dodged a bullet there I reckon. 

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I've no idea why some have such a thin skin. I watched the Channel 5 show last night and I saw no reason to take umbrage at what he said. I got the impression that the underlying message is that we are well set for a PL promotion campaign and the comment about the wealthy owner alluded to stability (unlike his own beloved Sunderland)

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39 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

I've no idea why some have such a thin skin. I watched the Channel 5 show last night and I saw no reason to take umbrage at what he said. I got the impression that the underlying message is that we are well set for a PL promotion campaign and the comment about the wealthy owner alluded to stability (unlike his own beloved Sunderland)

It's well known he doesn't like city. He never singles out our players for praise. I don't really care, but it is annoying. As a professional pundit he should be more onjective

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5 minutes ago, redfieldred said:

It's well known he doesn't like city. He never singles out our players for praise. I don't really care, but it is annoying. As a professional pundit he should be more onjective

well known among some in Bristol..... and thats about it. I doubt they'd have picked up his vibe in Manchester, Sheffield, London, Birmingham etc. If he doesn't want to comment, he doesn't want to comment....it's not the Bristol City show. Frankly I don't give a rats arse whether he stays quiet or not. It doesn't make a spit of difference to my brie and crackers on a Saturday evening

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And on the flip side, Colin Murray seems to have a soft spot for us. Always saying positive things and seems to take genuine pleasure in our fortunes. As does Iwelumo - always praising LJ. Not everyone is going to like us and regardless, nothing Gray said was that contrversial.

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39 minutes ago, redfieldred said:

It's well known he doesn't like city. He never singles out our players for praise. I don't really care, but it is annoying. As a professional pundit he should be more onjective

You don't really care, but felt the need to start a thread and have a rant about it? Hmm. 

I have no idea why people get hung up on what pundits say, most of them just reel off cliches and stock phrases, without ever adding anything insightful.

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3 minutes ago, RedJim said:

You don't really care, but felt the need to start a thread and have a rant about it? Hmm. 

I have no idea why people get hung up on what pundits say, most of them just reel off cliches and stock phrases, without ever adding anything insightful.

No I don't really care, honestly. It just annoys me a bit because a pundit should put aside personal likes and dislikes, but he doesn't. 

Its quite easy to start a thread on here by the way. 

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48 minutes ago, redfieldred said:

 As a professional pundit he should be more onjective

Which ironically makes him an unprofessional pundit.

Which means he is not good at his job.

Which means his comments should be ignored.

Which means he is a Clarke Kent not worth wasting words on - simples !!

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9 minutes ago, redfieldred said:

No I don't really care, honestly. It just annoys me a bit because a pundit should put aside personal likes and dislikes, but he doesn't. 

Its quite easy to start a thread on here by the way. 

I just skip through the analysis, most TV pundits just churn out stock phrases and cliches. The best pundits are on 5 Live.

Just don't bother listening and enjoy the goals.

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1 hour ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

I've no idea why some have such a thin skin. I watched the Channel 5 show last night and I saw no reason to take umbrage at what he said. I got the impression that the underlying message is that we are well set for a PL promotion campaign and the comment about the wealthy owner alluded to stability (unlike his own beloved Sunderland)

But Sunderland have a wealthy owner too. The difference is that we are a well run club while they have spent a fortune on players with a bad attitude and no sell on value. I suspect it sticks in his craw that we are where he thinks they should be by right.

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1 minute ago, RedJim said:

I just skip through the analysis, most TV pundits just churn out stock phrases and cliches. The best pundits are on 5 Live.

Just don't bother listening and enjoy the goals.

I assume you didn't hear the odious egomaniac Savage ranting at Stoke fans for daring to criticise his mate Hughes on 606 then?

If you want intelligent comment on the game ex players tend to be the worst source imo.

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6 minutes ago, chinapig said:

But Sunderland have a wealthy owner too. The difference is that we are a well run club while they have spent a fortune on players with a bad attitude and no sell on value. I suspect it sticks in his craw that we are where he thinks they should be by right.

Sunderland are yet another club whose foreign owner has lost interest. Sunderland fans would love him to be as far away from Wearside as possible when he eventually sells up. I genuinely don't believe (as some would try to convince us) that Michael Gray hates us. He seems utterly ambivalent toward us to me, and will probably stoke up some form of enthusiasm if we are still in the promotion mix in Mid April. I see parallels between how pundits like Gray are treating us and how they treated Bournemouth before they couldn't ignore 'em any more.

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1 hour ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

I've no idea why some have such a thin skin. I watched the Channel 5 show last night and I saw no reason to take umbrage at what he said. I got the impression that the underlying message is that we are well set for a PL promotion campaign and the comment about the wealthy owner alluded to stability (unlike his own beloved Sunderland)

Surely if someone had a thick skin, they wouldn't be bothered about what he said...

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12 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Surely if someone had a thick skin, they wouldn't be bothered about what he said...

it's not me that he bothers. His entitlement to free speech is in no danger from me

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1 hour ago, redfieldred said:

It's well known he doesn't like city. He never singles out our players for praise. I don't really care, but it is annoying. As a professional pundit he should be more onjective

If you “didn't really care” then you wouldn’t find it annoying :whistle:

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He probably knows little about us, other than our league position. Generally these people know the teams in the area they are from and the clubs they played for, in the case of the most blinkered that is one and the same.

I saw someone criticising Mark Clemment on here, but the guy does his homework and covers everything outside the Prem.

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11 minutes ago, FramptonRed said:

Michael Gray bears an uncanny resemblance to Peter Beagrie,he even sounds just like him.

one from Middlesbrough, one from Sunderland. Similar attitudes, similar parts of the country, similar dialects.

Two ex players prepared to sit on the "wise after the event" sofa... easy money. Unfortunately there is no "stand out" candidate who is an ex pro from the West Country prepared to do it (apart from Skeletor)... and for some reason I can't fathom (he lied), City fans don't trust him

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My only criticism of Gray last night was his comments on Cardiff’s goal. It’s clearly offside by the letter of the law (a part of the body which you can score with was ahead of the defender), yet Gray said “no, that’s not offside”. Why? It’s offside pal. Just because it was marginal doesn’t make it right. 

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3 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

one from Middlesbrough, one from Sunderland. Similar attitudes, similar parts of the country, similar dialects.

Two ex players prepared to sit on the "wise after the event" sofa... easy money. Unfortunately there is no "stand out" candidate who is an ex pro from the West Country prepared to do it (apart from Skeletor)... and for some reason I can't fathom (he lied), City fans don't trust him

There's always  Leroy? Or *shudders involuntarily* Bobby Gould! :shocking:

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3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

There's always  Leroy? Or *shudders involuntarily* Bobby Gould! :shocking:

Thought Bob had been put out to grass tbh. I don't mind Leroy but neither speaks with the dreaded West Country accent

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54 minutes ago, Assassin Reid said:

On a sidenote we did get a compliment this week from former Birmingham midfielder and Brighton scout, Martin O'Connor......

"Bristol City have a very good scouting system. a VERY good scouting system"

Where was this from? Can't say I've seen much recently about our network. 

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9 hours ago, redfieldred said:

This man barely hides his contempt for Bcfc. Today he grudgingly gave LJ credit with the caveat, that we have a rich owner. If we're so priveleged, how come we had to sell kodjia to villa for 7 times what we paid for him. We are comparatively skint compared to those around us in the league, so don't give us that you fool!

 

Calm down, it is only for one season isn't it? Hopefully next season it will be Gary Lineker and Alan Shearers comments we will be grumbling about 

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To redress the balance, at the start of the second season under Gary Johnson in the Championship, I heard the same Michael Gray predict on Radio 5 that Bristol City would get automatic promotion and saying how much he liked them as a team.

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1 hour ago, Neo said:

Which ironically makes him an unprofessional pundit.

Which means he is not good at his job.

Which means his comments should be ignored.

Which means he is a Clarke Kent not worth wasting words on - simples !!

He’s pretty poor on TS too.  Doesn’t have a good knowledge of the league.  That is his failing, so relies on pre-conceptions, based on history, especially Premier League history.

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1 hour ago, RedEyez said:

If you “didn't really care” then you wouldn’t find it annoying :whistle:

Annoyance and caring are on different scales. I am annoyed when someone cuts me up, but 10 seconds later I don't really care about it, because s&@t happens. I think it's worth bringing up an annoyance, you may not agree. I don't really care. 

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2 hours ago, citywest30 said:

And on the flip side, Colin Murray seems to have a soft spot for us. Always saying positive things and seems to take genuine pleasure in our fortunes. As does Iwelumo - always praising LJ. Not everyone is going to like us and regardless, nothing Gray said was that contrversial.

Colin Murray loves the gifs

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10 hours ago, redfieldred said:

This man barely hides his contempt for Bcfc. Today he grudgingly gave LJ credit with the caveat, that we have a rich owner. If we're so priveleged, how come we had to sell kodjia to villa for 7 times what we paid for him. We are comparatively skint compared to those around us in the league, so don't give us that you fool!

 

It's annoying. 

It only matters what we spend, not what the owner has. 

We've spent very little compared to our league position. 

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10 hours ago, redfieldred said:

This man barely hides his contempt for Bcfc. Today he grudgingly gave LJ credit with the caveat, that we have a rich owner. If we're so priveleged, how come we had to sell kodjia to villa for 7 times what we paid for him. We are comparatively skint compared to those around us in the league, so don't give us that you fool!

 

How are we relatively skint? Yes, we don't benefit from having been in the EPL with all of the cash that brings but neither have a lot of teams in this league, and even those that have aren't doing that well in some cases.

Lets also be clear with Kodjia HE wanted to go for the £ nothing else, we were not forced to sell him to pay the bills.

The redevelopment of AG and the corresponding increase in come and attendance puts us in a pretty good place financially.

I think some of may be a little surprised by how much money we will be prepared to spend next month in order to help us get to where we want to go.

All that said Gray is a dreadful pundit.

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2 hours ago, chinapig said:

I assume you didn't hear the odious egomaniac Savage ranting at Stoke fans for daring to criticise his mate Hughes on 606 then?

If you want intelligent comment on the game ex players tend to be the worst source imo.

The Savage support of Hughes has been going on for a few weeks on 606, last night driving back I felt embarrassed for him, it was sycophantic nonsense and utterly condescending to Stoke fans who are entitled to their concern at this point.

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2 hours ago, chinapig said:

But Sunderland have a wealthy owner too. The difference is that we are NOW a well run club while they have spent a fortune on players with a bad attitude and no sell on value. I suspect it sticks in his craw that we are where he thinks they should be by right.

Crucial amendment china, as until a few short years ago we were also spending a small fortune on players with dodgy attitudes and no sell on value.

What a difference now though and how pleasing to see us where we are as a result of the way things have been changed from the top to bottom of the club.

On the issue of Michael Gray, I think some of it is down to us not having been in the prem. When they were discussing the promotion race Im sure he commented about the "big" clubs chasing Wolves and mentioned Cardiff, Derby, Sheffield United, Villa and Ipswich. Cardiff are not a big club and Ipswich are in 8th place( although not out of the running) but all of those clubs have been in the prem in the recent past. The football world revolves around there premier league - that's just the way it is.

We are still seen as a small provincial club in  a backwater of the football world. That will only change if we either gain promotion or at least keep ourselves at the top end of the championship. 

 

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4 hours ago, chinapig said:

I assume you didn't hear the odious egomaniac Savage ranting at Stoke fans for daring to criticise his mate Hughes on 606 then?

If you want intelligent comment on the game ex players tend to be the worst source imo.

I meant say, with the exception of Robbie Savage. He's a one-eyed, sycophantic wind-up merchant.

Actually, that's being generous. 

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We have a top five richest owners in the Championship. Money doesn’t always mean success . As a club we are still establishing ourselves at this level . 

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7 minutes ago, shelts said:

We have a top five richest owners in the Championship. Money doesn’t always mean success . As a club we are still establishing ourselves at this level . 

The problem is that, for all SL's personal wealth, due to football's financial rules, we are currently financial small fry when compared to the relegated clubs enjoying premier league parachute payments.

Fortunately Sl has been able to use his personal wealth to invest in the club's infrastructure - stadium and academy - which will, in the longer term boost the clubs finances and will enable us to be more competitive on the pitch. The ex prem clubs already have new or substantial stadia which bring in much bigger revenues than the old Ashton Gate ever could so they've had no need to invest capital in their infrastructures.

 

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2 hours ago, downendcity said:

Crucial amendment china, as until a few short years ago we were also spending a small fortune on players with dodgy attitudes and no sell on value.

What a difference now though and how pleasing to see us where we are as a result of the way things have been changed from the top to bottom of the club.

On the issue of Michael Gray, I think some of it is down to us not having been in the prem. When they were discussing the promotion race Im sure he commented about the "big" clubs chasing Wolves and mentioned Cardiff, Derby, Sheffield United, Villa and Ipswich. Cardiff are not a big club and Ipswich are in 8th place( although not out of the running) but all of those clubs have been in the prem in the recent past. The football world revolves around there premier league - that's just the way it is.

We are still seen as a small provincial club in  a backwater of the football world. That will only change if we either gain promotion or at least keep ourselves at the top end of the championship. 

 

Yes, fair comments.

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7 hours ago, Assassin Reid said:

On a sidenote we did get a compliment this week from former Birmingham midfielder and Brighton scout, Martin O'Connor......

"Bristol City have a very good scouting system. a VERY good scouting system"

Genuine question to anyone ITK, what constitutes a very good scouting network and what sets ours apart from other clubs?

(my knowledge of this side of the club is precisely zero)

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3 hours ago, downendcity said:

The problem is that, for all SL's personal wealth, due to football's financial rules, we are currently financial small fry when compared to the relegated clubs enjoying premier league parachute payments.

Fortunately Sl has been able to use his personal wealth to invest in the club's infrastructure - stadium and academy - which will, in the longer term boost the clubs finances and will enable us to be more competitive on the pitch. The ex prem clubs already have new or substantial stadia which bring in much bigger revenues than the old Ashton Gate ever could so they've had no need to invest capital in their infrastructures.

 

We could always sod the financial rules

Bournmouth and QPR got into the prem by taking the p##s out of the rules

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

We could always sod the financial rules

Bournmouth and QPR got into the prem by taking the p##s out of the rules

 

 

Yes, and let's hope QPRs fine is paid in full. 

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5 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

We could always sod the financial rules

Bournmouth and QPR got into the prem by taking the p##s out of the rules

 

 

SL has spent a career working within financial rules and regulations, and i cannot imagine he would knowingly contravene football's financial rules. His investment in the stadium and academy were specifically because of how the finial rules limit th amount he is allowed to plough into the playing side of the club.

Noticeable that Bournemouth and QPR had foreign money backing their promotions? Fit and proper owners test needs to be carefully looked at, and retrospectively when the financial rules are broken. They also need to follow through with severe financial sanctions when a team breaks the financial rules so it is a proper deterrant.

 

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