And Its Smith Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met. If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Hörður is also not a wing back. Bonkers tactics but in fairness the injuries are too much. We need proven champ players in Jan who can deal with the rigours of champ football. The overseas signings physically are finding it hard to adapt e.g. All the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I hope we're not seeing shades of Vasko there! All true your points and something to learn from but LJ is massively in credit and is a thinker who will go over that again and again, so I'm not worried. I did think leaving Flint up after the lead was silly as we could now pick them off on the break with an advantage but to be honest who can legislate for Fielding's mental fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, tinman85 said: Hörður is also not a wing back. Bonkers tactics but in fairness the injuries are too much. We need proven champ players in Jan who can deal with the rigours of champ football. The overseas signings physically are finding it hard to adapt e.g. All the injuries. Thought he played well when wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, RedDave said: We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met. If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned Lessons to be learnt agreed. We are who we are though and maybe todays naivety is a small price to pay for the overall high tempo, attacking minded football that has seen us transformed this season. I'm sure it won't cost us either, I'll still blame the Burton and Millwall games if it goes tits up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control. I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, Esmond Million's Bung said: Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control. I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. We struggle v 10 men. Fulham, Cardiff, Sheff United. Yes we won those games but also nearly threw them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I’m sure he knows that. Let’s see what happens next, that’s the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control. I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. Appears it could have been a mistake only in hindsight He was causing problems and creating space for BR and others , and we looked to be on top, so a difficult call when we went one up , and My inclination was to drop Flint back but I can understand why LJ kept it as it was The poor derfending for their first should never have happened with 3 centre backs in place - and it was their bloody Right back (Who was excellent ) that made that run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control. I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. Pack allowed their player to get between him and the ball. Six of one and half a dozen of the other really, but always going to be given that way. Should have just let it go out or fall over for a foul when he was closest to the ball. An error, he knows that, we just have to go again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: ,IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. Agree, but I don't think the ref looked like he was going to give anything, it was the linesman that flagged for the free kick. IMO our biggest problem was being very pedestrian and a little complacent at 1-0 up. Wolves were always going to be a threat on the break even with 10 and our pedestrian football afforded them the opportunity to hit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Appears it could have been a mistake only in hindsight He was causing problems and creating space for BR and others , and we looked to be on top, so a difficult call when we went one up , and My inclination was to drop Flint back but I can understand why LJ kept it as it was The poor derfending for their first should never have happened with 3 centre backs in place - and it was their bloody Right back (Who was excellent ) that made that run I thougt it was positive and sensible given the only times we looked dangerous first half was from crosses hindsight is the right word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 One thing we have learned - LJ cannot rate Woodrow at all. Plays Flint up top because we have no presence, then doesn't bring him on when down to 10 men to hold the ball. He may as well go back it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC5 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, 29AR said: One thing we have learned - LJ cannot rate Woodrow at all. Plays Flint up top because we have no presence, then doesn't bring him on when down to 10 men to hold the ball. He may as well go back it would seem. I'm not so sure. Think we opted to bring on Taylor instead because with Patterson off we needed someone who could contribute more to the build up play. Had Patterson not been sent off, think we'd have seen Woodrow come on at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzol Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Fielding didn't need to come out that far. Hörður was side by side with him and it was a needless red card and cost us the game. Perhaps Flint should have came back after 1 nil but it didn't happen. We're still doing brilliantly. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 minute ago, JC5 said: I'm not so sure. Think we opted to bring on Taylor instead because with Patterson off we needed someone who could contribute more to the build up play. Had Patterson not been sent off, think we'd have seen Woodrow come on at some point. I would have brought Leko on at that point I know many will disagree but think it was a stage set for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC5 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just now, BobBobSuperBob said: I would have brought Leko on at that point I know many will disagree but think it was a stage set for him Agreed - Not sure what he needs to do to get some game time. Can't remember who it was against but one of the first games he played in, he absolutely smashed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Right decision to send Flint up there but with hindsight should have got him back in defence after we scored...Be glad when Diediue (Whatever) is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNight Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDave said: We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met. If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned Short sighted post. Having flint up front meant two of their defenders were sucked in. Leaving more space for Reid/ Pato etc. Ok it didn't directly lead to the goal, but it opened up a very tight wolves defence up until there point. Ofcourse with what happened people will jump on the fact flint was up front. But we should of been more than capable to not leave ourselves in that situation to the lead up to Frankie's error. Our whole midfield got sucked in towards the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control. I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves. I agree we should not have left Flint forward against a team romping the league whose specialty is hitting sides on the break. There was no need. We could have ground out a boring frustrating 1-0 win instead of trying to go for more goals. Hindsight is great - but it’s also how lessons are learned. We are still in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, RedNight said: Short sighted post. Having flint up front meant two of their defenders were sucked in. Leaving more space for Reid/ Pato etc. Ok it didn't directly lead to the goal, but it opened up a very tight wolves defence up until there point. Ofcourse with what happened people will jump on the fact flint was up front. But we should of been more than capable to not leave ourselves in that situation to the lead up to Frankie's error. Our whole midfield got sucked in towards the ball I have a little sympathy with Fielding actually. He made a split second decision to avert a goal and we may have got away with it too. He wouldn’t have been put in that position had we had 4 back covering. Thank goodness Steele is rather good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, Brizzol said: Fielding didn't need to come out that far. Hörður was side by side with him and it was a needless red card and cost us the game. Perhaps Flint should have came back after 1 nil but it didn't happen. We're still doing brilliantly. COYR Simple, but you've pretty much summed it up. Can't give you a "like" I'm out of them for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIPLEY RED Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 If Flint had dropped back into defence we would have basically been settling for a 1-0 which is dangerous even against their 10 men. I have seen it countless times at City and it was a tactic GJ used a lot. I'm glad LJ went for the win by being positive and kept pushing for a second. This time we got done by a stupid late free kick - it happens. We need to get 1 of our big strikers fit so we don't have to throw Flint upfront but I'm sure LJ knows that. Gutted walking out the ground surrounded by Wolves fans but thats football. I think Wolves will take some catching now 10 points clear is a lot and they did look a good side even with 10 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNight Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I have a little sympathy with Fielding actually. He made a split second decision to avert a goal and we may have got away with it too. He wouldn’t have been put in that position had we had 4 back covering. Thank goodness Steele is rather good. My post wasn't really about the Fielding situation. I agree, it was a split second decision It was more directed at people not understanding that Flint up front was working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Flint up front had nothing to do with the defeat. 2 shocking mistakes did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 40 minutes ago, JC5 said: Agreed - Not sure what he needs to do to get some game time. Can't remember who it was against but one of the first games he played in, he absolutely smashed it He looked dynamite in (I think ) his first two run outs, since then has appeared a liability. I prefer giving Eliasson game time, as he is actually ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, RedNight said: My post wasn't really about the Fielding situation. I agree, it was a split second decision It was more directed at people not understanding that Flint up front was working There was nothing wrong with Flint being up front because it was knocking the stuffing out of 2 centre backs to free space as you rightly said. Both goals conceded were down to poor split second decision by Pack and Fielding, coupled with an unfortunate deflection from the former and poor marking by Baker and Wright for Wolves' goals. City didn't deserve to lose against a strong side who are deservedly leading the Championship at a canter. Mind you they have spent tens of millions to do so. We on the other hand have only lost 4 games in 25 and should be proud of our superb run with a patched up team that sadly reached the end of their elastic this evening. With the right recruits in January; a strong centre forward, midfielder or two and a specialist right back, then second place is still up for grabs. We have nothing to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I hope LJ continues to be as innovated in his thinking whatever the result, I like the way our manager sometimes looks outside the box on tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 A bad day at the office , however the lads will comeback Stronger as that will hurt a lot , quick word on Taylor totally in affective brings nothing to the team really need a striker in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I’m sure he will know what worked and what didn’t today as will our players. Big game Villa next . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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