wendyredredrobin Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Woodrow gives us a different attacking option but we have been playing well with a false no. 9 meaning that forwards are only getting a chance from the bench. Both are championship players, but both would be out of their depth in the prem I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: All history now, has done next to **** all since, i'm sorry he is not good enough at this level, other than the odd sub appearance, if he was that good he should be replacing one of 2 injured strikers by now and he ain't. you make eleven DAYS sound like 11 months. expectations from some of our supporters are ludicrous, I'm really not surprised Joe Bryan had his little dig earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Cider red said: Disagree; Johnson sticks with the ineffective Taylor. Whilst woodrow gets in goalscoring positions and causes problems. -see reading; derby and QPR. The same ineffective guy who played the pass of the season against Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, poland_exile said: you make eleven DAYS sound like 11 months. expectations from some of our supporters are ludicrous, I'm really not surprised Joe Bryan had his little dig earlier. Who mentioned expectations?, it may have escaped your attention this thread is about a player who has been labelled as a waste of a wage and **** all to do with 'expectations', I have supported BCFC for far too long to have expectations, I expressed my opinion nothing more nothing less and never once mentioned 'expectations'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, poland_exile said: you make eleven DAYS sound like 11 months. expectations from some of our supporters are ludicrous, I'm really not surprised Joe Bryan had his little dig earlier. Fella, this is serious stuff now, we are 1 point off second in the Championship and it's now half way through, we have a very real chance of getting promoted to the PL - it's professional sport, how are the expectations "ludicrous "? If we were 15 points below where we are I would agree, but we aren't. Last night we should have beat Wolves, we would have been 5 points behind them, we didn't , and that has been covered extensively elsewhere BUT, the expectations have risen, and rightly so. Yeah Joe had a pop, And he is totally entitled to that, but things have changed from last year and the players and coaches deserve huge credit for that, however the bar has now been set, there is no going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 14 hours ago, CyderInACan said: What rumours? Taylor and Woodrow not the level or goal threat we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 hours ago, ScottishRed said: Fella, this is serious stuff now, we are 1 point off second in the Championship and it's now half way through, we have a very real chance of getting promoted to the PL - it's professional sport, how are the expectations "ludicrous "? If we were 15 points below where we are I would agree, but we aren't. Last night we should have beat Wolves, we would have been 5 points behind them, we didn't , and that has been covered extensively elsewhere BUT, the expectations have risen, and rightly so. Yeah Joe had a pop, And he is totally entitled to that, but things have changed from last year and the players and coaches deserve huge credit for that, however the bar has now been set, there is no going back. I believe that, more important than being 5 points behind Wolves, we would have been 2 points ahead of Derby (or third place) and 9 points ahead of 7th place. I looked at the table just after City scored yesterday and saw us with 50 points - safe before the year is out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I reckon Woodrow will be given a chance today, he can't play in the cup games so it would make sense to use him now and give Pato a rest. I think he's shown a bit of promise, if he had a run of games he could still be useful to us, after all he was playing in the same England under-21 team as Tammy recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Port Red said: I’d send Leko back first. With the Matty Taylor rumours and the fact that the others will take a couple of weeks to get back up to speed we would have very few options for a while. If we send him back i would hope an arrival was imminent. so do divulge what are the Matty Taylor rumours then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Port Red said: A couple of people had mentioned on the transfer page that they had heard he might be off on loan to the Shrews to make space for an incoming omg not another incoming gashead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I reckon Woodrow will be given a chance today, he can't play in the cup games so it would make sense to use him now and give Pato a rest. I think he's shown a bit of promise, if he had a run of games he could still be useful to us, after all he was playing in the same England under-21 team as Tammy recently Assuming Woodrow and Leko are still here, and therefore here to the end of the season, would it seem logical that they can play in FA Cup. They cannot go back to Fulham or West Brom, so no issue with being cup tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Assuming Woodrow and Leko are still here, and therefore here to the end of the season, would it seem logical that they can play in FA Cup. They cannot go back to Fulham or West Brom, so no issue with being cup tied. Wonder whether Leko might go back Dave Sounds like LJ looking for a wide man in window which is slightly strange WBA have a new manager , are staring at relegation if not careful , may want everyone back in and if they wanted him back and we and player agreed I think the loan can be cancelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 14 hours ago, reformed_red said: Nah disagree with this. Up top there's Fammy and Milan. Hegeler and GON to come back CM. COD as attacking option. Only 2 of those (Fammy and COD) are anywhere near good enough for top champ / Prem. Squad is thin of quality required to take us to the next level. And don't forget Pisano. I'd argue Djuric is good enough for top Champ. Anyway, a bench of Diedhiou, Djuric, Pisano, O'Dowda, Hegeler, O'Neil, looks a lot more like a strong bench than what we had on Saturday. Don't forget Wolves had most of their injuries fit again for Sat, and anyway they are a club that's spent what £50 mil in the summer?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Wonder whether Leko might go back Dave Sounds like LJ looking for a wide man in window which is slightly strange WBA have a new manager , are staring at relegation if not careful , may want everyone back in and if they wanted him back and we and player agreed I think the loan can be cancelled I don`t think it`s quite as simple as that due to the strict loan rules but I`m sure it could be done - we could probably all agree on a `disciplinary` reason or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: I don`t think it`s quite as simple as that due to the strict loan rules but I`m sure it could be done - we could probably all agree on a `disciplinary` reason or something. Not if all parties agree RRH .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 A recall clause is built in (or not) at the start of the loan. It cannot be inserted mid-loan With Tammy there was nothing built in, so he was ours for the season. I still wonder whether Chelsea and ourselves could’ve done something mutually, eg, we’ll give you £m if you let us have him back for the second half of the season. I believe with Hamer we were still paying his agreed wages even though WE sent him back early. Happy to be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Not if all parties agree RRH .? I`m honestly not sure mate. It would seem that the rules could be open to abuse though if it could be done like this. It would be nice to know for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, Davefevs said: A recall clause is built in (or not) at the start of the loan. It cannot be inserted mid-loan With Tammy there was nothing built in, so he was ours for the season. I still wonder whether Chelsea and ourselves could’ve done something mutually, eg, we’ll give you £m if you let us have him back for the second half of the season. I believe with Hamer we were still paying his agreed wages even though WE sent him back early. Happy to be corrected. https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ Section 53 deals with standard loans. You can only go back if it is mutually agreed (or there is a recall clause) in a transfer window. Leko and Woodrow are on season long loans, and if their respective clubs so unless either (a) have a recall clause and choose to invoke it or (b) mutually agree with City that the player should return to their parent club then nothing is going to happen. From interviews when he came it is clear Fulham don't want Woodrow on their books, so won't be recalling him. And I don't see WBA wanting Leko back when he is far from being able to get a starting place in a depleted Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ Section 53 deals with standard loans. You can only go back if it is mutually agreed (or there is a recall clause) in a transfer window. Leko and Woodrow are on season long loans, and if their respective clubs so unless either (a) have a recall clause and choose to invoke it or (b) mutually agree with City that the player should return to their parent club then nothing is going to happen. From interviews when he came it is clear Fulham don't want Woodrow on their books, so won't be recalling him. And I don't see WBA wanting Leko back when he is far from being able to get a starting place in a depleted Championship team. Thanks mate, I was hoping someone could clear it up. There are so many conflicting views on this that it`s good to see it written down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, italian dave said: And don't forget Pisano. I'd argue Djuric is good enough for top Champ. Anyway, a bench of Diedhiou, Djuric, Pisano, O'Dowda, Hegeler, O'Neil, looks a lot more like a strong bench than what we had on Saturday. Don't forget Wolves had most of their injuries fit again for Sat, and anyway they are a club that's spent what £50 mil in the summer?! Yeah agree. Didn't include Pisano as my original comment was about options going forward and in midfield. I think apart from a secondary RB we're very strong at the back. No way are we going to spend what Wolves have, but they gave us an example of the strength in depth they've got, which we don't. Upgrades needed, and especially in CM I'd say. Said it on another thread, if we're even remotely considering spending big on a striker, I'd rather the money was spent on one or two top quality CMs instead who can help us dictate and control a game. Not necessarily to replace Marlon / Korey but to add to the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 31/12/2017 at 12:49, Londoner said: Incredible posts. The kid hasn't had a run of games....and when he has played he has created and scored not to forget the crucial and excellent game against Derby. The simple reason Taylor gets ahead of him Is his creativity. Woodrow is a solid championship player who would start for the majority of sides in this league. is that why he was third choice at Fulham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 31/12/2017 at 12:49, Londoner said: Incredible posts. The kid hasn't had a run of games....and when he has played he has created and scored not to forget the crucial and excellent game against Derby. The simple reason Taylor gets ahead of him Is his creativity. Woodrow is a solid championship player who would start for the majority of sides in this league. I tend to disagree. A good finisher but doesn’t do enough off the ball. Reading game was the only time I have seen him work hard off the ball so hopefully he gets better at this in the coming games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 For Burton he made Flint and Wright look very ordinary....he looked very sharp that game. He has ability, we haven’t seen enough of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Woodrows performance away at Hull was nothing short of embarrassing, he almost gave the ball away every time he got it. Little wonder he was taken off at half time. I actually thought he did pretty well when he came on against Reading, overall though I haven't been overly impressed with him. As for Matty Taylor, I really like him. I thought he fitted in really well the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Flint says No said: I tend to disagree. A good finisher but doesn’t do enough off the ball. Reading game was the only time I have seen him work hard off the ball so hopefully he gets better at this in the coming games. @Porto Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porto Red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: @Porto Red I wIl not be dragged Into personal attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 As the OP on this topic and not someone who went to Vicarage Road I take it from comments on his performance yesterday that he offered nothing to suggest the topic lead comment was ill judged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie pickering Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Bloke is a fraud, hasn't got enough pace to get in behind, not physical enough to win anything in the air, terrible finisher. Only semi decent thing is his link up play is OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 31/12/2017 at 13:15, CyderInACan said: Matt Taylor to Shrewsbury!? I was told Charlton put a bid in for him in January window but it was turned down due to injury, don't think he championship material, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Woodrow isn’t a bad player, but as someone who was really keen on him over the summer, it seems like "hands-up", he hasn’t worked out. Don’t think he’s been given a run to be fair, but seems like LJ isn’t going to. Still think he’s better than Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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