Guest Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said: Doesn`t everyone? I cup mine for maximum concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: He actually said “senior players”. GON & Wilbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, 29AR said: I cup mine for maximum concentration. It’s a ruddy nightmare when you follow through with this technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 The 'problems' of last season in terms of results were down to LJ trying to determine which of the players he felt would be able to play he in the way he wanted to., namely high press and high energy.. it took him many games to filter out the players he felt weren't suitable and Tomlin was one of them. Everytime LJ has spoken about Tomlin he says that LT was a real character within the squad but travelling 6 hours a day was having a detrimental effect on him. I'm not so sure that Tomlin as disruptive as some think. The squad most, if not all could see what LJ was trying to do and if they did go to SL in support of him then that's sure a sign of what high regard they hold him This impressive season is the result of the 'pain' the club through last season and credit has to go to all concerned - the players, LJ and of course SLhimself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 @Robbored I think LJ just has too much class to call him out as a .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, 29AR said: @Robbored I think LJ just has too much class to call him out as a .... ******* nanny-shagging**** **** **** **** **** assaulting people**** **** ******* ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 For all that was wrong with the club during tthat run, I don't think anyone would have said that the players were not playing for the Manager. There have been groups over the years that have given that impression, it's not hard to tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 But weren't we told by those itk last season that a deputation of senior players went to Steve to demand Lee be sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: But weren't we told by those itk last season that a deputation of senior players went to Steve to demand Lee be sacked? But which Lee did they mean......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Rednwhiterob said: As I maintained throughout last season the problem was not LJ. I was virtually a lone voice but I have been totally vindicated. Oooh love me, love me. Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 People keep on bringing up Cotts. The very key difference is we were in the relegation zone for half the season up to the point of his sacking. Same for O'Driscoll. We were never in that state under LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 I could be wrong but I always suspected that - whilst it may not have helped if Tomlin had personal problems - the major problems were: 1) The squad lacked depth until January. From November to January we were threadbare and it hit results and, by the time we could get players in, we were already in the middle of a slump. 2) JP - much as he deserves credit for his work in our promotion season and after Cotts left - had different ideas and a different approach to LJ and that led to players getting mixed messages and a sense everyone was not pulling in the same direction. I wonder if it may even have been that LJ and JP tried to find a middle ground and much of what we watched was a mish mash of ideas that could only ever really be resolved by JP getting in staff who were on the same wavelength. 3) LJ was finding his feet in the Championship and made some tactical mistakes which he has learned from this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, chinapig said: But weren't we told by those itk last season that a deputation of senior players went to Steve to demand Lee be sacked? You're thinking of his dad. I seriously doubt that happened in LJs case. More likely the opposite but we'll never get to know - not that it matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 57 minutes ago, CodeRed said: SL said the same thing (players saying " don't sack Lee") during one of his interviews with Geoff Twentyman earlier in the season. I don't think we should read too much into this though, SL clearly made his mind up to stick with LJ come what may. He makes all the important decisions - if the players had said don't sack Cotts (or SOD) he wouldn't have taken any notice as clearly couldn't stand either of them. I wonder if some of the players / senior players went to SL re Tomlin, rather than LJ...and that was the catalyst for SL to say to LJ that if LT is the problem "leave him out and prove it with results"....or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: You're thinking of his dad. I seriously doubt that happened in LJs case. More likely the opposite but we'll never get to know - not that it matters now. No, there were some rumours on here, that the players had gone to SL re LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: No, there were some rumours on here, that the players had gone to SL re LJ. Maybe they went and said, stick with him, we will turn this around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Oooh love me, love me. Ok ...........Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Maybe they went and said, stick with him, we will turn this around? Yep, looks likely now doesn’t it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, there were some rumours on here, that the players had gone to SL re LJ. Senior players went to SL refusing to play for GJ after the brawl at Plymouth. If senior players went to SL last season it would have in support of LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, chinapig said: But weren't we told by those itk last season that a deputation of senior players went to Steve to demand Lee be sacked? That was a different deputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, downendcity said: That was a different deputation. Led by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Fiale said: Do you think he meant as players of the past or current senior players ? Past players. Mainly Lee Johnson, with Scott Murray backing him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said: Led by? Sorry RHR, I meant to add a smiley face to my comment as Im not ITK but commented tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porto Red Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, DaveF said: It’s a ruddy nightmare when you follow through with this technique. A "shart" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: You're thinking of his dad. I seriously doubt that happened in LJs case. More likely the opposite but we'll never get to know - not that it matters now. I know it's your hobby horse but no I'm not. I am sure the claim was made last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: Senior players went to SL refusing to play for GJ after the brawl at Plymouth. If senior players went to SL last season it would have in support of LJ. That’s what i’m Saying....but the rumour banded around, was that it was to get rid of LJ....more fake ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Porto Red said: A "shart" Often practised by Scotsmen at Wembley in the mid seventies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: That’s what i’m Saying....but the rumour banded around, was that it was to get rid of LJ....more fake ITK. I must have missed that rumour Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: So what was the problem then? I spent a good deal of time setting this out last season so for everyone's sakes I won't repeat it in detail. But, to summarise, there were clearly some 'cultural issues' behind closed doors which evidence would suggest have been dealt with. I also had reservations about our transfer policy, in particular the timing and volume of transfers. I don't believe this was totally down to LJ. This season, having had the benefit of a pre-season (which I think is crucial) we look in better shape. I was also pilloried for suggesting Tammy was not good for us. I get that it seemed a daft statement at the time, but look how CITY players and OUR squad has benefited since he left. Not to mention us developing someone else's asset to appreciate in value. Again this seems to have been addressed. I don't want to come over as big headed, but I firmly believe that concerns were more or less right and it's the addressing of these that have resulted in seeing true potential. COYR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: There's none so blind as those who will not see. You didn't "see," then, LJ, after last season ended, admit that some of our recruitment was not good enough, that he "might've over coached a bit," and generally take some responsibility for the poor run (once we were safe and finished the season strongly)? There's none so deaf as those who will not tune in to Radio Bristol and/or follow the club on youtube, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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