Fordy62 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Now... everyone is on Frankie’s back about his lack of quality distribution. It’s no secret that I think it’s unfair criticism. But watching Steele last night and against Wolves, there were flashes of concern for me that he isn’t very good at kicking. I don’t mean the accuracy, I mean the regular occasions on which he doesn’t connect properly and he also struggles to get length on his kicks. Not a criticism as such, I think he’s a decent back up, but for me, his kicking isn’t up to scratch. That being said, I do appreciate it was blowing a gale last night at Villa. Anyone else thought similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I think a lot of people forget how good Frankie actually is. Whenever replacements come in a lot never keep their place, or appear much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Frankie is an easy target for people. He's a old school shot stopper who has worked really hard at his kicking game. Still a slight weakness but if he was a natural footballer and he could stop the ball he wouldn't be in goal for bcfc. Like Steele will bring added competition for Frankie, which he will thrive on. He's seen off a long list of rivals before and will again no doubt. Frankie has got to be the model professinal football player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: I think a lot of people forget how good Frankie actually is. Whenever replacements come in a lot never keep their place, or appear much better. 7 conceded in just under a game and a half without Frankie in goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Also wonder if this might change LJ's thoughts on who is in goal v Man C? He rightly said Steele needed the game time but he will now have played 2 & a half first team games by then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Also thought when watching the Wolves game, Ruddys kicking was SO much worse than Fieldings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I’ve seen all the cup rounds and Steele has played and kicked much better than last night. He looked more nervous against Villa than against ManU which doesn’t make sense, that said maybe the pressure was on for a result where as against ManU it wasn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, RedM said: I’ve seen all the cup rounds and Steele has played and kicked much better than last night. He looked more nervous against Villa than against ManU which doesn’t make sense, that said maybe the pressure was on for a result where as against ManU it wasn’t. perhaps he felt more exposed because of what was going on in front of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: perhaps he felt more exposed because of what was going on in front of him? Yes, I’d certainly agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 51 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Also thought when watching the Wolves game, Ruddys kicking was SO much worse than Fieldings. Sadly made up for by Ruddy’s considerably better ‘not being a massive **** and costing us 3 points’ game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Now... everyone is on Frankie’s back about his lack of quality distribution. It’s no secret that I think it’s unfair criticism. But watching Steele last night and against Wolves, there were flashes of concern for me that he isn’t very good at kicking. I don’t mean the accuracy, I mean the regular occasions on which he doesn’t connect properly and he also struggles to get length on his kicks. Not a criticism as such, I think he’s a decent back up, but for me, his kicking isn’t up to scratch. That being said, I do appreciate it was blowing a gale last night at Villa. Anyone else thought similar? It was very windy last night and I thought , in spite of this , his kicking was OK. He didn't put too many straight out of play. However, unluckily for him he had to pick the ball out of the net five times last night . I think he is a good keeper . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, swanker said: 7 conceded in just under a game and a half without Frankie in goal. Our defence has turned from looking solid to a shambles. I'm not saying Steel could have saved any of those 7 but his positioning doesn't seem quite right on occasions, to be fair he hasn't played much recently. Also Frankie does a fair bit of organising through shouting at defenders, they seem to be missing that. If you look at the Wolves winner I think Baker didn't jump as he thought it was Steel's ball and didn't want to obstruct him but he didn't get there in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Frankie would have got to the cross for Wolve's second and not stood watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNight Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Steele didn't look like saving any of those 5 goals yesterday... 3 of which he maybe could of had better attempts at. Their 2nd, 3rd and 5th just looked to easy. Sometimes you don't appreciate what you got until it's gone (Frankie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: Our defence has turned from looking solid to a shambles. I'm not saying Steel could have saved any of those 7 but his positioning doesn't seem quite right on occasions, to be fair he hasn't played much recently. Also Frankie does a fair bit of organising through shouting at defenders, they seem to be missing that. If you look at the Wolves winner I think Baker didn't jump as he thought it was Steel's ball and didn't want to obstruct him but he didn't get there in time. We’ve gone a bit gung-ho in the past few games and exposed ourselves. We haven’t become a shambles. LJ needs to just have a little check at what got us to where we are....442/4411, quick passing football. I think he’s put Flint up top too early. It’s worked v QPR and Wolves (to a lesser extent), but just like when Djúric plays we go direct too early. I see the Flint option as a last 15 minute option. He doesn’t have the movement, positional sense to allow us to play through him. He does know how to get into goalscoring positions though. Its fine lines, and I’m not criticising LJ...if Taylor doesn’t get in Flint’s way it’s 2-1 and we get an energy boost, and Villa’s fans will turn on them. Last night was a one-off. Following Man Utd, we all felt there would be a tail-off, as the players had been overplayed. We took 4 points (1 v QPR, 3 v Reading) from the 4 games after the "Lord Mayors show". Not disastrous. Probably should’ve been 5 or even 7 with Wolves. Had LJ rotated his pack, there was no guarantee we would’ve got any more or less points. Take the Watford game off, then gear the players (with a bit of rotation) for 2 games in 4 days. They can cope with that, knowing they’ve got 6 days to prepare for 2 games in 5 days. Got to treat January in small blocks, coupled with the odd signing, hopefully we will be back on song. I think only 3 league games in January is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think only 3 league games in January is good news. It sure is when it gives us chance to get Famara, Duric, COD etc closer to fitness/return to the First XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Now... everyone is on Frankie’s back about his lack of quality distribution. It’s no secret that I think it’s unfair criticism. But watching Steele last night and against Wolves, there were flashes of concern for me that he isn’t very good at kicking. I don’t mean the accuracy, I mean the regular occasions on which he doesn’t connect properly and he also struggles to get length on his kicks. Not a criticism as such, I think he’s a decent back up, but for me, his kicking isn’t up to scratch. That being said, I do appreciate it was blowing a gale last night at Villa. Anyone else thought similar? Why is it unfair? 70%(FA figure) of the goal keepers game is played with the feet. For a team that builds from the back distribution can be the primary function of the goalkeeper. Bristol City are a team that plays through the thirds necessitating players to start again to reposition offensively. If Keepers (both) distribution does not consistently keep possession, if the keepers lack the confidence in their ability to play high the shape and playing style of the team will suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Steel can’t kick it . Frankie can kick it . New keepers please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Mannone and Ruddy both also shanked several kicks straight out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan djurichimovic Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Now... everyone is on Frankie’s back about his lack of quality distribution. It’s no secret that I think it’s unfair criticism. But watching Steele last night and against Wolves, there were flashes of concern for me that he isn’t very good at kicking. I don’t mean the accuracy, I mean the regular occasions on which he doesn’t connect properly and he also struggles to get length on his kicks. Not a criticism as such, I think he’s a decent back up, but for me, his kicking isn’t up to scratch. That being said, I do appreciate it was blowing a gale last night at Villa. Anyone else thought similar? Bit hypocritical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Mannone and Ruddy both also shanked several kicks straight out. Ruddy did that strange thing where he tried to get the ball to their man on the left wing who always chose to stand 5ft off the field of play. Needless to say, the ball went out every time. Must work at Wolves' training ground I suppose, but on our narrower pitch they looked very silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Ruddy did that strange thing where he tried to get the ball to their man on the left wing who always chose to stand 5ft off the field of play. Needless to say, the ball went out every time. Must work at Wolves' training ground I suppose, but on our narrower pitch they looked very silly. Our pitch is one of the biggest in England. I assume at their gaff it goes straight into Row 8 every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Our pitch is one of the biggest in England. I assume at their gaff it goes straight into Row 8 every time I thought it had been narrowed on Johnson's request? Can anyone confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I thought it had been narrowed on Johnson's request? Can anyone confirm. Yes 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Need a new first team keeper. Both Frankie and Steele are good back ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, sodburyred said: Need a new first team keeper. Both Frankie and Steele are good back ups. Can't agree I'm afraid. Frankie is a very good keeper and has dislodged enough replacements in his time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: Ruddy did that strange thing where he tried to get the ball to their man on the left wing who always chose to stand 5ft off the field of play. Needless to say, the ball went out every time. Must work at Wolves' training ground I suppose, but on our narrower pitch they looked very silly. Its a quite logical approach. It can be argued that it is less damaging than going North and losing possession long. If it goes out on the full the team will have time to set up. If it drops short it is more damaging statistically than going North and long so keepers will put too much on it - Over hit is better than under hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I thought it had been narrowed on Johnson's request? Can anyone confirm. My mistake 1 hour ago, AshtonPark said: Yes 100%. A 100% reduction in width would make the game interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Its a quite logical approach. It can be argued that it is less damaging than going North and losing possession long. If it goes out on the full the team will have time to set up. If it drops short it is more damaging statistically than going North and long so keepers will put too much on it - Over hit is better than under hit. I'm sure there was logic behind it, CS. Ruddy did it 4 times so it was obviously an established tactic. Trouble is, he lost possession 4 times through it. Not a great game for JR, a keeper I'd normally rate very highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm sure there was logic behind it, CS. Ruddy did it 4 times so it was obviously an established tactic. Trouble is, he lost possession 4 times through it. Not a great game for JR, a keeper I'd normally rate very highly. And if he had gone long ... Some keepers success is below 10%. It is however a simple pattern of play. Interestingly Frank Fieldings distribution stats v John Ruddies are very similar. Ruddy plays it slightly shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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