Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Was talking to a friend yesterday, who’s a Liverpool fan. As I live in Maidenhead, I persuaded him to come to the Wycombe v City JPT in October 2013. It was peak O’Driscoll and we were poor, losing 2-1. He still classes it as the funniest game he’s been to, because of the Bristolian chants of “we want our petrol back” when we went 2-0 down. Anyway, he messaged me several times last night, calling our display “bloody epic” and being gutted when Citeh scored. It made me do some research and, incredibly, 5 of our starting lineup last night featured on that dismal Tuesday night in Wycombe. Fielding, Flint, Reid, Bryan and Pack all played some part. Huge credit to the club for getting such transformational improvement whilst keeping a core of players that must have developed a real sense of what it means to be Bristol City. Proud times to be a City fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_merde Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 It’s amazing what happens when somebody is supported and encouraged to take a long term view, rather than the shortermism that dominates much of modern life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I have a feeling people won't like this, but Sean O'Driscoll was nowhere near as bad a manager for us as some make out. We always had decent performances, even when we were losing, which is not too dissimilar to LJ's bad run last season. It was his dourness and poor relationship with fans/media that caused the hate. He bought into the very project which is currently bearing fruit, and imo, the way we had to go about it, things were always going to get worse before they got better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, nebristolred said: I have a feeling people won't like this, but Sean O'Driscoll was nowhere near as bad a manager for us as some make out. We always had decent performances, even when we were losing, which is not too dissimilar to LJ's bad run last season. It was his dourness and poor relationship with fans/media that caused the hate. He bought into the very project which is currently bearing fruit, and imo, the way we had to go about it, things were always going to get worse before they got better. Totally agree. I liked SOD and was gutted it didn’t work out. He had a clear philosophy that on another day may have worked here. However, his personality didn’t fit what was going on at the time and it just didn’t work. When he was appointed, I could easily have predicted him being here for a long time and having success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I was at that Wycombe game and also our following game at Crewe, 11 days later. I said on another thread recently that those two back to back losses were two of the three worst / most depressing I’ve ever seen as a City fan. Crewe in particular was almost unspeakably bad! Can’t believe those games were over four years ago. The time has absolutely flown by since. Also I’m afraid I can’t agree that ‘we always had decent performances’ when O’Driscoll was manager. The two games mentioned here were just dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, nebristolred said: I have a feeling people won't like this, but Sean O'Driscoll was nowhere near as bad a manager for us as some make out. We always had decent performances, even when we were losing, which is not too dissimilar to LJ's bad run last season. It was his dourness and poor relationship with fans/media that caused the hate. He bought into the very project which is currently bearing fruit, and imo, the way we had to go about it, things were always going to get worse before they got better. It was him who got us our Cat 2 Academy status...plus other parts of our 'infrastructure' started, that we are benefitting from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayteomike2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 minute ago, spudski said: It was him who got us our Cat 2 Academy status...plus other parts of our 'infrastructure' started, that we are benefitting from now. perhaps its a long term project we all want immediate results just asking how long did it take alan dicks to get us to the top division ( i know i'm showing my age) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 SOD, to some extent set the ball rolling....even if we had ended up in Div2. Fielding, Flint, Pack....did he give Reid his first chance (or was that McInnes). It was dour football, it was dour media stuff, but he started to put the build blocks in place. Cotts fast-tracked us to the Championship - in many people’s eyes, he was also fast-tracking us straight back down! We are on the up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ayteomike2 said: perhaps its a long term project we all want immediate results just asking how long did it take alan dicks to get us to the top division ( i know i'm showing my age) It must have taken the best part of 10 years for Dicks to get us promoted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ayteomike2 said: perhaps its a long term project we all want immediate results just asking how long did it take alan dicks to get us to the top division ( i know i'm showing my age) What many of our fans don't realise or understand is that for many years we were run very unprofessionally. Scouting, Academy, coaching, all parts of the 'infrastructure' and club staff...we were miles behind a lot of other professional clubs. We survived short term on money alone. There was no long term plan. We reacted rather than planned. We've done fantastically well to fast track that infrastructure as quickly as we have done. We are still playing catch up though. I spoke about this last night with some fellow fans....you have to take the chance of promotion whenever the opportunity rises it's head. But if I could choose to go up this season next season...it would be next, as imo, we are still playing catch up and learning along the way with our new philosophy and way of running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, spudski said: But if I could choose to go up this season next season...it would be next, as imo, we are still playing catch up and learning along the way with our new philosophy and way of running the club. Wouldn't surprise me if Reading fans were saying similar last season - maybe Sheff Wed too - but look where they are now. This is a very difficult division to compete in and we have to really go for it while the chance is there this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayteomike2 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, spudski said: What many of our fans don't realise or understand is that for many years we were run very unprofessionally. Scouting, Academy, coaching, all parts of the 'infrastructure' and club staff...we were miles behind a lot of other professional clubs. We survived short term on money alone. There was no long term plan. We reacted rather than planned. We've done fantastically well to fast track that infrastructure as quickly as we have done. We are still playing catch up though. I spoke about this last night with some fellow fans....you have to take the chance of promotion whenever the opportunity rises it's head. But if I could choose to go up this season next season...it would be next, as imo, we are still playing catch up and learning along the way with our new philosophy and way of running the club. we haven't paid out the money that wovles have spent but did those 2 players that scored against us last night cost more than our entire team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, spudski said: What many of our fans don't realise or understand is that for many years we were run very unprofessionally. Scouting, Academy, coaching, all parts of the 'infrastructure' and club staff...we were miles behind a lot of other professional clubs. We survived short term on money alone. There was no long term plan. We reacted rather than planned. We've done fantastically well to fast track that infrastructure as quickly as we have done. We are still playing catch up though. I spoke about this last night with some fellow fans....you have to take the chance of promotion whenever the opportunity rises it's head. But if I could choose to go up this season next season...it would be next, as imo, we are still playing catch up and learning along the way with our new philosophy and way of running the club. I know what you're saying about the club being not ready but the problem is if we don't go up this year then we will almost certainly lose a couple of key players and may not get close again for a while. Like you say, you just have to take the chance when it comes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: Totally agree. I liked SOD and was gutted it didn’t work out. He had a clear philosophy that on another day may have worked here. However, his personality didn’t fit what was going on at the time and it just didn’t work. When he was appointed, I could easily have predicted him being here for a long time and having success. I have always hoped we’d stick with a manager long enough to give him a chance to build a side. O’Driscoll had a good track record and I for one welcomed him as a thoughtful coach who had the potential to put down roots and get some momentum going. He may well have done that in time. Unfortunately his personality was not conducive to sympathy and patience! I’ve never known anyone who damaged his own chances so comprehensively just being being a moody git who had no media savvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcshorey Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Davefevs said: SOD, to some extent set the ball rolling....even if we had ended up in Div2. Fielding, Flint, Pack....did he give Reid his first chance (or was that McInnes). It was dour football, it was dour media stuff, but he started to put the build blocks in place. Cotts fast-tracked us to the Championship - in many people’s eyes, he was also fast-tracking us straight back down! We are on the up.... Millen gave Bobby his debut against Hull, last game of the season in 2011. Came on towards the end... a certain Lee Johnson was also on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: Was talking to a friend yesterday, who’s a Liverpool fan. As I live in Maidenhead, I persuaded him to come to the Wycombe v City JPT in October 2013. It was peak O’Driscoll and we were poor, losing 2-1. He still classes it as the funniest game he’s been to, because of the Bristolian chants of “we want our petrol back” when we went 2-0 down. Anyway, he messaged me several times last night, calling our display “bloody epic” and being gutted when Citeh scored. It made me do some research and, incredibly, 5 of our starting lineup last night featured on that dismal Tuesday night in Wycombe. Fielding, Flint, Reid, Bryan and Pack all played some part. Huge credit to the club for getting such transformational improvement whilst keeping a core of players that must have developed a real sense of what it means to be Bristol City. Proud times to be a City fan. I just want to know how you convinced a Liverpool fan to go to a JPT game at Wycombe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: I just want to know how you convinced a Liverpool fan to go to a JPT game at Wycombe. Haha! He’s from around Wycombe now and fancied a night watching some real football. Was also getting texts from him the night we beat the red Manchester. He was in a bar in the North West surrounded by Mancs and was loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 hours ago, nebristolred said: I have a feeling people won't like this, but Sean O'Driscoll was nowhere near as bad a manager for us as some make out. We always had decent performances, even when we were losing, which is not too dissimilar to LJ's bad run last season. It was his dourness and poor relationship with fans/media that caused the hate. He bought into the very project which is currently bearing fruit, and imo, the way we had to go about it, things were always going to get worse before they got better. Absolutely spot on. Have said it before, he started a lot of what we see today. Was it him that use to talk about performance before result? Knowing that long term wise, the performance would bring results. Noticed Louis Carey saying the same thing last night. I’ve also heard a lot of Prem managers saying the same thing recently. Good manager/coach, just not so good for sound bites! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 If ever there was a BBC sport comment that illustrated our transformation in status, this might be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 hours ago, nebristolred said: I have a feeling people won't like this, but Sean O'Driscoll was nowhere near as bad a manager for us as some make out. We always had decent performances, even when we were losing, which is not too dissimilar to LJ's bad run last season. It was his dourness and poor relationship with fans/media that caused the hate. He bought into the very project which is currently bearing fruit, and imo, the way we had to go about it, things were always going to get worse before they got better. I had a lot of time for mcinnes. I always thought we should have given more time to him. My problem last year wasn't specific to Lee Johnson, just the previous 15 years under Lansdown had finally worn me a little thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Simon79 said: Absolutely spot on. Have said it before, he started a lot of what we see today. Was it him that use to talk about performance before result? Knowing that long term wise, the performance would bring results. Noticed Louis Carey saying the same thing last night. I’ve also heard a lot of Prem managers saying the same thing recently. Good manager/coach, just not so good for sound bites! COYR Great manager to read an interview of....dreadful one to listen to though. I found his philosophy extremely interesting and Lee employs much of it now, but conveys things so much better and has his own methods as well to add to it. Lee has mentioned about making the right decision at the right time being one of the most important things to do and skills to possess, which sounds obvious, but is something we've lacked. Lee has coached that into then quite a lot, but is a mindset I first heard from SOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think the Ashton Vale project put us 5 years behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Alan Dicks said: I think the Ashton Vale project put us 5 years behind. It was definitely a huge distraction. I will admit that I quite liked McInnes (remember how he helped out the lads caught in Birmingham) but by the time he came in the club was already in a mess. But as he has proved back at Aberdeen he can manage - well at least at in Scotland! SO'D had an eye for a player no doubt (Fielding, Flint, Pack, JET) and he wanted the players to be able to think for themselves on the pitch. The problem was that with exception of JET, who just did what he fancied when he fancied I don't think the others knew what they were supposed to be doing most of the time. But SO'D definitely bought into the 5 pillars philosophy of putting the club on a sound footing. That all went a bit quiet when Cotts came in & was successful, but LJ was brought in to take the project forward again. The biggest difference now is that the players clearly know the basis of what they are supposed to do, and can then go on from there. Plus although this might sound more than a bit pejorative towards most footballers, we also now seem to have a relatively bright bunch, which may also be part of the plan to allow them to think for themselves as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2City Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/10/2018 at 07:04, Dastardly and Muttley said: I persuaded him to come to the Wycombe v City JPT in October 2013. This was my first game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 10/01/2018 at 16:34, no_merde said: It’s amazing what happens when somebody is supported and encouraged to take a long term view, rather than the shortermism that dominates much of modern life In fairness we had every right to call for LJ to go last season. He spent decent money and it was dire for the most part. Nobody will forget that toxic environment v Fulham at home. However it appears Tomlin and dare I say Tammy were the ones holding us back. LJ has really proved a lot of us wrong so far, me included. So I salute him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 15 hours ago, Dr Balls said: It was definitely a huge distraction. I will admit that I quite liked McInnes (remember how he helped out the lads caught in Birmingham) but by the time he came in the club was already in a mess. But as he has proved back at Aberdeen he can manage - well at least at in Scotland! SO'D had an eye for a player no doubt (Fielding, Flint, Pack, JET) and he wanted the players to be able to think for themselves on the pitch. The problem was that with exception of JET, who just did what he fancied when he fancied I don't think the others knew what they were supposed to be doing most of the time. But SO'D definitely bought into the 5 pillars philosophy of putting the club on a sound footing. That all went a bit quiet when Cotts came in & was successful, but LJ was brought in to take the project forward again. The biggest difference now is that the players clearly know the basis of what they are supposed to do, and can then go on from there. Plus although this might sound more than a bit pejorative towards most footballers, we also now seem to have a relatively bright bunch, which may also be part of the plan to allow them to think for themselves as well. Yes, I think it’s worth repeating that under LJ, the much mocked five pillars have probably made a quiet comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, tinman85 said: In fairness we had every right to call for LJ to go last season. He spent decent money and it was dire for the most part. Nobody will forget that toxic environment v Fulham at home. However it appears Tomlin and dare I say Tammy were the ones holding us back. LJ has really proved a lot of us wrong so far, me included. So I salute him. You certainly had the right. It’s just that you weren’t right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Leveller said: You certainly had the right. It’s just that you weren’t right! I would still be interested to see where we would be if Warnock had been appointed. But despite not being an LJ fan he has certainly surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, tinman85 said: I would still be interested to see where we would be if Warnock had been appointed. But despite not being an LJ fan he has certainly surprised me. I think Warnock is like fast food. A quick fix but not a good long term diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted January 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, New2City said: This was my first game! Wow. You kept going?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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