Fordy62 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Bizarrely I didn’t think he had his best game tonight. But then I don’t profess to being any sort of footballing genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Bizarrely I didn’t think he had his best game tonight. But then I don’t profess to being any sort of footballing genius! for wrongly He was class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Bizarrely I didn’t think he had his best game tonight. But then I don’t profess to being any sort of footballing genius! I've been wrong facking hundreds of times, Fordy tonight you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, nickolas said: Hes not. The club can activate a 1 year option should they wish. Thanks. That will teach me for trusting Wiki for football facts! In May 2015 Pack signed a new two-year contract to remain at the club until the summer of 2017.[24] This was followed by the option for a further year being taken up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Pack & Smith were superb as a centre mid pairing tonight. Derby had absolutely nothing come through the middle, they were excellent. Pack made about 4 reverse passes tonight which wrong footed Derby that had someone like Silva done it we’d be calling for the Ballon D’or. I do agree that he had a sloppy 5 mins toward the end (not half hour as someone said, 5 mins). I thought Brownhill was terrible tonight. Couldn’t pass, had no thought process, made poor decisions. Very poor. Flint looked shakier after Baker went off. Magnússon inspires zero confidence. Very worrying at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Hocca said: One derby fan on twitter said he’s one of the best players he has seen at pride park all season. And he would be right! Pack is a good player hence so much interest in him from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Hocca said: Don’t agree. Think this was down to some poor clearances from Magnússon putting him in bad area and in a part of the game where we generally on the back foot. Have to agree Magnuson careless balls very slow putting pack under pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Harry said: I thought Brownhill was terrible tonight. Couldn’t pass, had no thought process, made poor decisions. Very poor. I pretty much said this after the Norwich game. (Wouldn't say terrible though)He seems to be struggling of late. With a fully fit squad and rotation he has probably played twice as many games as maybe he would. Also if it wasn't for the two half time injuries I would not have seen him finishing the 90. Maybe Kent would have got a run on the left and Pato on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, WayOutWest said: I pretty much said this after the Norwich game. (Wouldn't say terrible though)He seems to be struggling of late. With a fully fit squad and rotation he has probably played twice as many games as maybe he would. Also if it wasn't for the two half time injuries I would not have seen him finishing the 90. Maybe Kent would have got a run on the left and Pato on the right. Said for a while now he looks knackered. Definitely needs a rest but think if COD was fit he’d be getting some rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, WayOutWest said: I pretty much said this after the Norwich game. (Wouldn't say terrible though)He seems to be struggling of late. With a fully fit squad and rotation he has probably played twice as many games as maybe he would. Also if it wasn't for the two half time injuries I would not have seen him finishing the 90. Maybe Kent would have got a run on the left and Pato on the right. Brownhill has been poor since he tinted his hair. No coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Hmm... Everyone is saying that nothing went through the middle, but actually I think they just went round Pack. I'm not saying he had a bad game, just that his lack of mobility- something he's done a great job compensating for this season- was a bit exposed. I still prefer Brownhill and Smith in the middle and when Walsh is up to speed I suspect he'll move ahead of him in the pecking order too Tin hat on... I'd also say that Brownhill wasn't great tonight either, but he's not playing centre mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Marlon will go down as one of the most underrated players in this era but just watch what we will miss when he is injured or gone.One of the first names on the team sheet for me along with Korey who has also been immense this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Hes a strange one for me Pack, i want to warm to him but i just cant. Its this very unnerving feeling you get once he is in possession that he always seems to be teetering on the edge of giving the ball away very often in a dangerous position. Granted a lot of our play goes through him and he never shys away from the ball i will applaud him for that but for me i will stick my neck on the line and say we can do better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Makes you wonder exactly how good he is. I think he'd walk in to any side in this division, and maybe quite a few in the league above. If he had an extra yard of pace about him he'd be a top, top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't dislike Pack, but if others want him he should be encouraged to leave. Great attitude, able to hit a quality ball, not without talent (depending upon the level to which one aspires.) Oh; but he's slow ( very slow,) his positioning leaves much to be desired (when he gets caught out boy does he get caught out,) he's Mr Wilkins- mostly lateral and back (not a criticism if that's the only option though in his case it's usually the go to, ) but to his credit he's an excellent team ethic. Pack served us well in the third tier and to getting us where we are today. If we wish to push on it won't be with him as a major player but hey, thanks Marlon and best wishes for ventures new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBS14 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Marlon has always been a key player, compliments Korey, different players but work very well together. Its no coincidence when these two are on form we play well, class acts. Have to agree Brownhill was poor, unusually, needs a rest, Mags gave the ball away to easy and was poor tonight. With Smith,Pack,Brownhill and Owdowda coming back from injury cannot see where Walsh and Kent will fit in, not to mention Eliason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I don't dislike Pack, but if others want him he should be encouraged to leave. Great attitude, able to hit a quality ball, not without talent (depending upon the level to which one aspires.) Oh; but he's slow ( very slow,), his positioning leaves much to be desired (when he gets caught out boy does he get caught out,) he's Mr Wilkins- mostly lateral and back (not a criticism if that's the only option though in his case it's usually the go to, ) but to his credit he's an excellent team ethic. Pack served us well in the third tier and to getting us wherever are today. If we wish to push on it won't be with him as a major player but hey, thanks Marlon and best wishes for ventures new. Its this for me. His pace in everything he does is really below par.. people may say 'if only' he has a yard more pace.. pace and speed is so so crucial in todays game its an absolute must. As you said if others want to take a punt on him then good luck, i think we can improve on him for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Tammys Scan said: Last half hour was the worst on the pitch, so sloppy & out of position. Utter crap . I’m sorry but you know nothing about football if you think this . Numourous times he took pressure off the back 4 by collecting the ball and playing calmly from the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I don't dislike Pack, but if others want him he should be encouraged to leave. Great attitude, able to hit a quality ball, not without talent (depending upon the level to which one aspires.) Oh; but he's slow ( very slow,) his positioning leaves much to be desired (when he gets caught out boy does he get caught out,) he's Mr Wilkins- mostly lateral and back (not a criticism if that's the only option though in his case it's usually the go to, ) but to his credit he's an excellent team ethic. Pack served us well in the third tier and to getting us where we are today. If we wish to push on it won't be with him as a major player but hey, thanks Marlon and best wishes for ventures new. I think that’s an inaccurate asesssment of his game, and the level he plays at most weeks. He is a big influence on the way we play. He is a player we miss when he doesn’t play, that screen in front of the two CBs, the always available to take a pass to avoid a lumped ball forward. There are very few midfielders at this level who aren’t gonna have weaknesses...the ones that don’t quickly find themselves at a Prem team. This guy has adapted his game from a talented ball playing youngster at Cheltenham in L2, through several development cycles to a very accomplished Championship deep midfielder. I wouldn’t look at Derby’s two CMs tonight, ex-England international (and still in his prime) Huddlestone and highly rated George Thorne, and think, eff me, they’re head and shoulders better than our two, in fact our two looked the better pairing, and influenced the game more. 8 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I agree. I actually think he was below par tonight. I think when everyone is fit, and the new players have settled in, pack won't be in the side. Johnson prefers Josh alongside Korey. No way. Nothing lower than 7/10, and par is a 6. I’m not sure LJ does prefer Josh and Korey, I think he realises he’s got 3 CMs that all offer different qualities, and he can pick horses for courses. Of course Marlon had some iffy moments tonight’s, every player on both sides did, but overall he had a very tidy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: There are very few midfielders at this level who aren’t gonna have weaknesses... Exactly, we're punting at the top of The Championship and Pack, both physically and metaphorically, has run out of oxygen. If we are to progress we need mids who have fewer weaknesses than Marlon; those who have pace, are more creatively minded, don't lose focus et al. Pack isn't a bad player, rather he's quite good. His problem is he isn't top level good, and next step that's what's demanded and that which we need. Watch again tonight's game and focus on his positioning and you'll see where I'm coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Exactly, we're punting at the top of The Championship and Pack, both physically and metaphorically, has run out of oxygen. If we are to progress we need mids who have fewer weaknesses than Marlon; those who have pace, are more creatively minded, don't lose focus et al. Pack isn't a bad player, rather he's quite good. His problem is he isn't top level good, and next step that's what's demanded and that which we need. Watch again tonight's game and focus on his positioning and you'll see where I'm coming from. I get what you’re saying about pushing on....and you’re probably right. However, Marlon has proved us wrong every time we’ve said he’s reached his ceiling. If the next level means the Prem, then we’ve probably got a huge overhaul to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungRed Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 So glad to see another thread appreciating Pack. Absolutely class tonight, and some fans still think he only plays sideways and backwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungRed Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Just read through some more of the comments on this thread and some of them are absolutely ludicrous. Pack isn't good enough because he doesn't have an engine or pace? I suppose The likes of Pirlo and Carrick weren't top level either then. Everything we do goes through Pack, he is good in the air, and he always wants the ball. IMO fans that don't like Pack don't know football as every team needs a Marlon Pack and in the championship I can't think of to many that do that role aswel as Pack. Not all midfielders need to be box to box and chip in with goals. Rant over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Been singing his praises since the day he joined. Glad the majority are now beginning to realise he isn’t “Hollywood passes” or “just backwards and sideways” If he was Spanish/German people would be saying how classy and elegant he is on the pitch. Really cares about the club and the city too. Extremely lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 hours ago, BTRFTG said: I don't dislike Pack, but if others want him he should be encouraged to leave. Great attitude, able to hit a quality ball, not without talent (depending upon the level to which one aspires.) Oh; but he's slow ( very slow,) his positioning leaves much to be desired (when he gets caught out boy does he get caught out,) he's Mr Wilkins- mostly lateral and back (not a criticism if that's the only option though in his case it's usually the go to, ) but to his credit he's an excellent team ethic. Pack served us well in the third tier and to getting us where we are today. If we wish to push on it won't be with him as a major player but hey, thanks Marlon and best wishes for ventures new. Sorry mate but what a load of shit. He should be encouraged to leave? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Been singing his praises since the day he joined. Glad the majority are now beginning to realise he isn’t “Hollywood passes” or “just backwards and sideways” If he was Spanish/German people would be saying how classy and elegant he is on the pitch. Really cares about the club and the city too. Extremely lucky to have him. In fairness, those early days under SOD weren’t that glorious. All he did was give away needless fouls, was so frustrating. It was a very different Pack to the exciting player I saw a few times at Cheltenham. Then under Cotts he had to bide his time. The goal at Coventry was the kick-start, eventually displaying Wade. But at each juncture, he’s upped his game and proved to be more than capable in a top half side. I think that shows someone who has desire to improve and adapt. Good pro. Well done Marlon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: Sorry mate but what a load of shit. He should be encouraged to leave? Seriously? Was a very strange reply wasn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: In fairness, those early days under SOD weren’t that glorious. All he did was give away needless fouls, was so frustrating. It was a very different Pack to the exciting player I saw a few times at Cheltenham. Then under Cotts he had to bide his time. The goal at Coventry was the kick-start, eventually displaying Wade. But at each juncture, he’s upped his game and proved to be more than capable in a top half side. I think that shows someone who has desire to improve and adapt. Good pro. Well done Marlon. The other thing is that because he had no pace to begin with - it means he hasn’t got much to lose! If he stays injury free he’ll play at a good level for maybe even another 9-10 years if he wants. I’m certain he’ll play in the prem soon, hopefully with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: The other thing is that because he had no pace to begin with - it means he hasn’t got much to lose! If he stays injury free he’ll play at a good level for maybe even another 9-10 years if he wants. I’m certain he’ll play in the prem soon, hopefully with us. He’d certainly be in my top 5 current players that I would want to see playing in the Premiership with us. The stuff dreams are made of. Make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: The other thing is that because he had no pace to begin with - it means he hasn’t got much to lose! If he stays injury free he’ll play at a good level for maybe even another 9-10 years if he wants. I’m certain he’ll play in the prem soon, hopefully with us. Has improved substantially and IMHO far more effective doing what he does now as central point in a short passing interplay game than trying to act as a quarterback His passing has IMHO become shorter and I like that he will like a few of them pop it off first time Also like that he is willing to take the ball under pressure ( Although he occasionally gets caught)- a big asset to have players who will take the ball under pressure Many good things but being picky my remaining concern about him is how many times his man runs off him causing danger - 2 or 3 of their better moments last night involved Derby players running off / losing Marlon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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