Redmycolour Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Deffo Yes, I hat to say it against the boys in RED, think ref made a big mistake, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, redmycolour said: Deffo Yes, I hat to say it against the boys in RED, think ref made a big mistake, First reaction, because of the meal that Jerome made of it, NO. Having seen the replay, **** YES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddrive Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes it was. Not given though, so happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notbarrymanc Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Well obviously. Instead of starting pointless threads on subjects that have already been discussed in other threads, can we work on your use of commas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Random! Of course it was, although initial reaction was that he’d dived. Ref didn’t have VAR and if Jerome had not dramatised it as he did, he’d probably have got one. There’s been a few we’ve not been given this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes, clearly. The ridiculous way he fell should have had nothing to do with it, but might have distracted the refereed I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 It happened right infront of us at the game last night. Immediate thought was I’ve seen them given for less but the Derby player over did the dive to ensure he got it and made the Ref believe otherwise. I haven’t seen a replay yet but MrRedM who watched it at home said that Flint reaction thought he had given away a pen. Also the talk on the coach travelling home last night was that Flint was fouled in the build up to the incident so we should have had a free kick anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes it was. John Terry hand ball in our 1-1 draw with Villa was also a clear penalty which we didn’t get. Also Josh Brownhill was fouled against Norwich last week in the box. You win some you lose some, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Although Flints clearly catches him, perhaps the contact was not sufficient to cause him to trip so the exaggerated dying swan fall. I blame the belief fostered by the likes of Shearer, that if you feel contact you are entitled to go down. This I thing is wrong and not in the spirt of the game as to when you are actually fouled and therefore cannot stay on your feet, every little bit of contact is not necessarily a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Ref did us a huge favour but cant help but feel Derby were not a great side at all, we would have all the possession and as soon as we'd lose it they would route 1 it. Would have felt hard done by if we lost as the team I felt trying to play 'the right way' would have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Although Flints clearly catches him, perhaps the contact was not sufficient to cause him to trip so the exaggerated dying swan fall. I blame the belief fostered by the likes of Shearer, that if you feel contact you are entitled to go down. This I thing is wrong and not in the spirt of the game as to when you are actually fouled and therefore cannot stay on your feet, every little bit of contact is not necessarily a foul. I totally agree. The idea that you are entitled to 'go down' needs to be consigned to the bin. If your tripped you fall over, not leap into the air like superman taking off FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Although Flints clearly catches him, perhaps the contact was not sufficient to cause him to trip so the exaggerated dying swan fall. I blame the belief fostered by the likes of Shearer, that if you feel contact you are entitled to go down. This I thing is wrong and not in the spirt of the game as to when you are actually fouled and therefore cannot stay on your feet, every little bit of contact is not necessarily a foul. Exactly. When Shearer can show me the bit in the rulebook that says a player is entitled to go down I'll start listening to his views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finbarr_in_z Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Ref didn’t have VAR and if Jerome had not dramatised it as he did, he’d probably have got one. Big screen in Pride Park showed replays of all the controversial incidents pretty much immediately. I didn't think that was allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, finbarr_in_z said: Big screen in Pride Park showed replays of all the controversial incidents pretty much immediately. I didn't think that was allowed. It’s not allowed. Not sure what repercussions that will be for it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, finbarr_in_z said: Big screen in Pride Park showed replays of all the controversial incidents pretty much immediately. I didn't think that was allowed. Exactly my thoughts. Idiotic at best. You could tell LJ wasn't happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: It’s not allowed. Not sure what repercussions that will be for it though. Switch screens off for a season and a five point deduction might be a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 By the letter of the law it was a penalty but the ref didn't give it so, no, it wasn't. Jerome's theatrics saved us TBH. I assume if the game was using VAR, it would have been given but can the ref give a penalty AND book a player for theatrics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Possibly the first ever case where simulation actually deceived the referee into not giving the penalty surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, RedM said: It happened right infront of us at the game last night. Immediate thought was I’ve seen them given for less but the Derby player over did the dive to ensure he got it and made the Ref believe otherwise. I haven’t seen a replay yet but MrRedM who watched it at home said that Flint reaction thought he had given away a pen. Also the talk on the coach travelling home last night was that Flint was fouled in the build up to the incident so we should have had a free kick anyway. He didn't pick the ball up this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Turnip Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 I think this is the way refs should go. More benefit to the defender. Whether a foul or not if he dives like that he risks not getting the decision. Fans will blame the ref, but put more onus on the player. Jerome should be sat at home thinking “we could have got a penalty if I hadn’t been such a knob” Obviously the ref may still have missed the foul but maybe not. We don’t know how much of his attention was taken away by the exaggerated reaction. As mine was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finbarr_in_z Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: Exactly my thoughts. Idiotic at best. You could tell LJ wasn't happy about that. Just spotted this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42657767 Bristol City head coach Lee Johnson: "I'll be honest, live, I did think it was a dive, and then I looked up to my left where the replay was on, which shouldn't have been legal to do so by the rules - it could have started a riot particularly in the technical area. "But I did then think it looked like a penalty on the replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finbarr_in_z Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Being not far from the 'penalty' my first reaction was "massive dive so likely not a penalty". Ref was in a similar line, & probably had the same reaction. They've specifically been told to keep an eye out for this. Subsequent replays showed contact. If I was a Derby fan (I know enough living there) rather than venting anger against the ref who was following the letter of the law, I'd be moaning at the forward for making a meal of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11214279/did-jerome-dive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 The look on Flints face said it all. Deffo pen but good job the idiot threw himself to the floor as that made the ref think he took a dive. Jerome blew it for Derby. Draw was the right result anyway so happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, finbarr_in_z said: Big screen in Pride Park showed replays of all the controversial incidents pretty much immediately. I didn't think that was allowed. Nor did LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, finbarr_in_z said: Being not far from the 'penalty' my first reaction was "massive dive so likely not a penalty". Ref was in a similar line, & probably had the same reaction. They've specifically been told to keep an eye out for this. Subsequent replays showed contact. If I was a Derby fan (I know enough living there) rather than venting anger against the ref who was following the letter of the law, I'd be moaning at the forward for making a meal of it. spot on finbarr! Is there a guideline to refs though, don't give a pen if you see simulation? Fair play to the officials if there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 It was both a pen and dive. The latter ruled out the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Oh well, we had a clear goal ruled out for a foul against Burton so it evens itself out. We also should of had a penalty against Norwich and Aston Villa at home (about 3 to be exact). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Contact didn't look like enough to make Jerome go down and could have stayed on his feet, for me the fact he then throws himself to the floor makes it a dive and not a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, finbarr_in_z said: Just spotted this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42657767 Bristol City head coach Lee Johnson: "I'll be honest, live, I did think it was a dive, and then I looked up to my left where the replay was on, which shouldn't have been legal to do so by the rules - it could have started a riot particularly in the technical area. "But I did then think it looked like a penalty on the replay. This was commented on last night as well. Derby had their own VAR in place by showing the game on their screen and all the replays of incidents ( the Sky feed) they even showed the studio discussion at HT, never seen that before. I was under the impression that contentious issues couldn’t be shown during the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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