pongo88 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Even Ian Holloway said he thought it should have been yellow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartockRed Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Baker has a second or two to think whilst in a leg race with Scowen. He’s thinking it ain’t looking good but if I make it great, if not I’m taking the man and taking a yellow. He arrives a fraction late and it’s the latter. The speed of it and Scowen making a meal of it threw the ref. Baker was unlucky it was red. I wouldn’t view it as out of control or even reckless, he knew exactly what he was doing. What bothers me more is he didn’t have to make the challenge and give the ref a decision to which card he pulled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Engvall's Splinter said: I too think it’s a red. Off the deck, out of control. If the boots on the other foot, we’d see it as red I’m sure. It was a reckless tackle. We've been here before with Baker. Top player but needs to cool it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Red or Yellow WHAT EVER What needs to be done Is give the QPR player a ban Look at it from every angle and Baker is no where near his shin Yet he hold his shin and rolls 5/6 time THAT is what get Baker sent off CHEAT END OF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Never a red. Yellow yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: The fact Holloway thinks it was a yellow tells a story. Does it? Under every other circumstance we all disagree with everything he says and think he’s an idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Should have been a yellow. The QPR player looked like he was going for the world record for the number of rolls he did. Another issue though is how it stemmed from a misplaced pass across the pitch. It is admirable how we try to play the ball out, but recently there is a bit of a pattern developing where losing the ball has cost us (e.g. Pack v Wolves, Mags v Manchester, sending off today). Quite a few times I have a sharp intake of breath when an opposition player nearly intercepts one of our square passes along the back. I love the way we are playing, but this seems to be one area teams are trying to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Clear Red real time and looks worse on TV. After a 30 yard sprint and with both feet off the ground he has no control and slices through the side/rear of his opponent. That's dangerous in any book and he doesn't even have the excuse of being within a country mile of the ball. Baker's a top player and isn't malicious but this was exuberence twinned with stupidity ( he could have easily run the fella off at the pass.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just watched it back ....Baker clearly gets the ball ...the end ! .........and gets sent off by ...to you to me to you to me ..w**ker Stroud.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Clear Red real time and looks worse on TV. After a 30 yard sprint and with both feet off the ground he has no control and slices through the side/rear of his opponent. That's dangerous in any book and he doesn't even have the excuse of being within a country mile of the ball. Baker's a top player and isn't malicious but this was exuberence twinned with stupidity ( he could have easily run the fella off at the pass.) Yeah because still frames clearly show the decision to be right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: Clear Red real time and looks worse on TV. After a 30 yard sprint and with both feet off the ground he has no control and slices through the side/rear of his opponent. That's dangerous in any book and he doesn't even have the excuse of being within a country mile of the ball. Baker's a top player and isn't malicious but this was exuberence twinned with stupidity ( he could have easily run the fella off at the pass.) Nope ....gets a clear touch on the ball ...just watched it in slow mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: Nope ....gets a clear touch on the ball ...just watched it in slow mo That Cider must be mighty fine, I'll have a pint of what you're on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: That Cider must be mighty fine, I'll have a pint of what you're on. Gets the touch ....even Hollowhead said it’s a yellow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Yeah because still frames clearly show the decision to be right or wrong. Unlike the numerous fans hereabouts and at the game who clearly do not understand the basics of Law 12 (Professional Foul (sic) wherever that's referenced.) For every infringement , wherever on the park, the official first decides whether it's DOGSO. His second decision is then simply whether the infringement was Serious/Violent/Dangerous, Reckless, or an infringement. The combination of both decisions informs the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: Gets the touch ....even Hollowhead said it’s a yellow.... But there were thousands chanting that Hollowhead was a "useless ****" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Admittedly when I saw it in real time ....red all day long ....when I slowed it down he definitely gets the ball FIRST.....difficult one at the time for Stroud to get right but ultimately...for me ...LJ and Skeletor ....it’s a yellow ! ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BTRFTG said: But there were thousands chanting that Hollowhead was a "useless ****" Ok I concede....he is ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: when I slowed it down he definitely gets the ball FIRST..... But Law 12 makes no reference to whether or not the ball is played before the player. If the official considers the player's actions Serious, Violent or Dangerous then it's a sending off. With both feet off the ground and coming from the side/rear Baker had no control over his movement and therefore whether his impact might harm his opponent. That's Dangerous and why he was correctly dismissed. Ref got a few things wrong today, but this wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMidsRed Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Here's hoping it's just a one match ban. Thought it was a yellow but the ref was a well known... how do I put this nicely... ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownendRed97 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: But Law 12 makes no reference to whether or not the ball is played before the player. If the official considers the player's actions Serious, Violent or Dangerous then it's a sending off. With both feet off the ground and coming from the side/rear Baker had no control over his movement and therefore whether his impact might harm his opponent. That's Dangerous and why he was correctly dismissed. Ref got a few things wrong today, but this wasn't one of them. Exactly this. When Batth got sent off for Wolves against us he played the ball first, doesn't mean the challenge isn't worthy of a red card unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 hours ago, city1983 said: Idiot then. Nothing confusing about what I said. Stop the insults....loads confusing about your post...you think the ref thought ‘oh I think I heard some ooohs and aaahs, better send him off then...’ ????? - you think he is influenced to that extent by background noise from the home fans that he wouldn’t have been aware of anyway?! Perhaps you need to look in the mirror for the next insult.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: So one each for the first two... What do you think the 3rd/4th officials would say... ? PS ... Thought by todays standards it was a bit rash/reckless so Red.... (& I'm one who still misses the glorious Gows, Hunters & Kellards of yesteryear) ... Could have cost us dear today, thankfully it didn't, but, for that reason wouldn't be surprised to see a 'club fine' issued, very important that at this stage of the season we need to keep our heads cool and maintain discipline. Well deserved credit where its due, its been fantastic so far, but can't afford to trip ourselves up cheaply (pun intended) . Have a day off. "Club fine" for a contentious red card is only going to cause issues in the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think the sprint/run up from Baker makes it look a lot worse than the challenge itself. Still reckless though and while it wasn’t a red IMO, I wouldn’t hold any hope of it being overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Thought it deserved a red at the time, having watched it back probably more a yellow but I can understand why the red was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Slippin cider said: Nope ....gets a clear touch on the ball ...just watched it in slow mo Getting a touch on the ball is not the only criteria for a fair and legal challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Getting a touch on the ball is not the only criteria for a fair and legal challenge. Very true sir but in this instance I believe it was a yellow card . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, BITW said: I think the sprint/run up from Baker makes it look a lot worse than the challenge itself. Still reckless though and while it wasn’t a red IMO, I wouldn’t hold any hope of it being overturned. Yep absolutely zero chance sure the club wont bother and risk an extra game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 hours ago, BTRFTG said: But Law 12 makes no reference to whether or not the ball is played before the player. If the official considers the player's actions Serious, Violent or Dangerous then it's a sending off. With both feet off the ground and coming from the side/rear Baker had no control over his movement and therefore whether his impact might harm his opponent. That's Dangerous and why he was correctly dismissed. Ref got a few things wrong today, but this wasn't one of them. Scowen arrived after Bakes had nicked the ball away . He was clearly looking to get Bakes sent off. When Bakes plays the ball Scowen is not in any danger . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 League website as at 8:49 this morning not showing Bakers suspension! It does show Taylor Moore though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 As much as I can’t stand the bloke, fair play to Holloway in his post match interview where he says a yellow would have been sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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