redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: What was wrong with football before this,yeh you got bad decisions and good decisions against you that’s football and the adrenaline of either happening to you team what got the blood pumping,now it’s just a matter of fact game which in my opinion is so bad Would you say that if the burton goal had stood after VAR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Goal line technology. Fine. This VAR stuff though is just rubbish and will ruin our game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Great in theory, shit in practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, redfieldred said: He pulled him back. Livermore knew he was going to get to the cross. Throwing himself to the ground actually made the decision harder. I would in truth need to watch it in better resolution than I am getting it, but it looked barely nothing. Hardly enough to change his run. As soon as he has felt any contact, he has dived. A real 'will be twenty pens a match' type of call. Might feel different when I see it better, but just looked like a bit of nothing, followed by a complete dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Harry said: Goal line technology. Fine. This VAR stuff though is just rubbish and will ruin our game. Has it crossed the line, and was he offside, are for me black and white. I would have started there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Would you say that if the burton goal had stood after VAR? Of course because that’s football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Great in theory, shit in practice Bit like Liverpool's defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: Of course because that’s football It’ll get better and quicker. They need to brief the players not to interfere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, cityexile said: Bit like Liverpool's defence. Might even be worse than that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, cityexile said: Has it crossed the line, and was he offside, are for me black and white. The goal line is a static thing, with a line to show the difference between over or not. It works. Offsides can happen anywhere in a 60 yard area with no line to determine. I don’t think we should mess around with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 The worst thing about it is that the people who have paid £40 or £50 for a ticket don't know wtf is going on. It kills the flow of the game and the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, redfieldred said: It’ll get better and quicker. They need to brief the players not to interfere. Can’t believe that,look at cricket for gods sake,had it for years and it’s still so slow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, cityexile said: Going to give it time and see how it settles down I guess. Don't mind it for factual things like off side and whatever when a goal has been scored. Just think we are going to get to a stage where players will surround refs more and more to get them to look at the VAR. There is no way in my mind Salah went down in any way reasonably from the challenge for instance for the penalty. How many times from a corner are players blocked, have arms around them etc. Looking at each one frame by frame would be ridiculous. Just think you could almost check any goal. Need a limit to what can be checked. I absolutely hate it for offsides. That is the linesmans job and having a person who won’t get everything right is part of what makes the game more fun. Decisions against us and for us all just about even out. Personally, I think they will tweak it quite soon. The offside especially will chop goals off and the tv powers won’t like that. TV viewers like goals so anything effecting that won’t last. Just feel the whole process should be much quicker. We get highlights almost instantly watching. Just make the decision and get on with it 30-45 seconds max. Again, can’t be for every little call either. Give them challenges and that will mean a 3 min max added to games for VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Might even be worse than that..... I like VAR. for too long Ref’s gave either been homers because they give into crowd pressure, especially at Man U, or they are determined to show they will not be swayed and are awayers (like today’s ref) This will be cut out. For too long the top teams seem to have had all the decisions in their favour. Certainly looking forward to having it at the World Cup. England lost to Portugal 04 because of a shocker of a decision. The game today has not been ruined! It’s a brilliant game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 27, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: What was wrong with football before this,yeh you got bad decisions and good decisions against you that’s football and the adrenaline of either happening to you team what got the blood pumping,now it’s just a matter of fact game which in my opinion is so bad It’s because of Sky TV and those that have come since, the multi views, in slo-mo, the incessant dissection by the pundits, using even more obscure camera angles. The fans and Managers feeling hard done by, the constant comparison with Tennis, Cricket, Egg Chasing, where they have all adopted some technology, that’s why it’s here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Stortz said: The worst thing about it is that the people who have paid £40 or £50 for a ticket don't know wtf is going on. It kills the flow of the game and the atmosphere. Derby would show them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: It’s because of Sky TV and those that have come since, the multi views, in slo-mo, the incessant dissection by the pundits, using even more obscure camera angles. The fans and Managers feeling hard done by, the constant comparison with Tennis, Cricket, Egg Chasing, where they have all adopted some technology, that’s why it’s here. The reason they brought it up n is it’s seen as having worked well in all those sports. It needs fine tuning. The ref today is overusing it. No need on the last 2 goals and the obvious offside goal. They will learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Pardew saying he found it hard to believe it was offside from the corner... surely shows why VAR being used was a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, redfieldred said: It’ll get better and quicker. They need to brief the players not to interfere. You dont know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, RedDave said: You dont know that Anything new has teething problems. They are committed to VAR so they will improve it. I don’t know that for absolute sure, but it seems pretty obvious. Once players get used to it. They will celebrate as usual and then look fed up when it’s overturned. But why are you celebrating a goal that wasn’t a goal? So you get fed up on the receiving end but love it if your in the side that would have had an unfair goal against. Correct decision matters more than anything in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 If VAR comes in for good next season then unfortuantly for me this is my last season as a ST holder, it will become like rugby where you don’t celebrate a try, I’ve zero interest in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Should only be used for black and white stuff only Was the ball over the line Was he off side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonL Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 VAR is great all the desisions were correct. Just needs quickening up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: What was wrong with football before this,yeh you got bad decisions and good decisions against you that’s football and the adrenaline of either happening to you team what got the blood pumping,now it’s just a matter of fact game which in my opinion is so bad Loads. Diving, terrible decisions, refs that appear to want to put on a perticular teams shirt. NEIL WARNOCK! Need I say more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Should only be used for black and white stuff only Was the ball over the line Was he off side And penalties/dives. yep that’s all it’s needed for. If it cuts out diving it’s worth it just for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Loads. Diving, terrible decisions, refs that appear to want to put on a perticular teams shirt. NEIL WARNOCK! Need I say more. He’s all for it warnock because he says the big teams always get the dodgy decisions so VAR will not do them any favours,never thought you would agree with Neil warnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: He’s all for it warnock because he says the big teams always get the dodgy decisions so VAR will not do them any favours,never thought you would agree with Neil warnock I do yes. In this case I think he is right. It’ll shut him up, so that’s a great reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, redfieldred said: And penalties/dives. yep that’s all it’s needed for. If it cuts out diving it’s worth it just for that. What is a dive? Just because there is contact Does that mean its ok to fall over? Keep it to fact only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Maltshoveller said: What is a dive? Just because there is contact Does that mean its ok to fall over? Keep it to fact only I mean a dive where there is no contact. If there’s contact it’s exaggerating not diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, redfieldred said: I mean a dive where there is no contact. If there’s contact it’s exaggerating not diving. Cant agree 100% Not every touch makes you fall over Football is/was a contact sport When a player exaggerates a fall He is trying to get a pen or a player booked or sent off Exaggerating is still cheating in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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