ollywhyte Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 I watched the Plymouth game today (5 mins from my house) and Vyner was excellent. Fans around me seemed to have really taken to him. What he doesn't have in size and strength he well and truelly makes up for in footballing ability, had an experienced and strong Danny Graham in his back pocket until he was taken of at half time, probably for just that reason. You can tell he's a cut above from the way he brings the ball out calmly from the back, also appeared to have a voice in terms of organising the defence. Honestly think he could be a real star for us, saw a totally different side to him today. 100% a centre half. On another note Derrick Williams was also very composed and looked a real player for Blackburn. I'd have happily had either Zak or Del starting for us at CB vs Bolton, allowing Korey to retain his CM spot actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J.Thribb Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Heard positive news from a few Plymouth lads I know. They rate him and were very impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, ollywhyte said: I watched the Plymouth game today (5 mins from my house) and Vyner was excellent. Fans around me seemed to have really taken to him. What he doesn't have in size and strength he well and truelly makes up for in footballing ability, had an experienced and strong Danny Graham in his back pocket until he was taken of at half time, probably for just that reason. You can tell he's a cut above from the way he brings the ball out calmly from the back, also appeared to have a voice in terms of organising the defence. Honestly think he could be a real star for us, saw a totally different side to him today. 100% a centre half. On another note Derrick Williams was also very composed and looked a real player for Blackburn. I'd have happily had either Zak or Del starting for us at CB vs Bolton, allowing Korey to retain his CM spot actually! Great result for Plymouth, turning things around plans to complete the ground things looking up for them. Lived a lot of years in South Devon in fact the first game I took my son to was at Home Park. Luckily he wasn't converted to the Green army!! Anyway for me over the last 45 years they have been more of a rival than the Blue few. If we don't go up in the next two years, would have them back down the gate again as the second biggest team in the west country!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 First time I saw City was at Home Park when I was about 8 years old. Glad to see Zak doing well for them and gaining valuable experience all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Good news about Vyner. Thanks for the update. He's always been a centre half - think Louis Carey - and playing at Right back was just a way of learning the ropes, it's the same thing Carey did after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Also noticed George Dowling scored for Torquay against Barrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Can we call him back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 17 hours ago, ollywhyte said: I watched the Plymouth game today (5 mins from my house) and Vyner was excellent. Fans around me seemed to have really taken to him. What he doesn't have in size and strength he well and truelly makes up for in footballing ability, had an experienced and strong Danny Graham in his back pocket until he was taken of at half time, probably for just that reason. You can tell he's a cut above from the way he brings the ball out calmly from the back, also appeared to have a voice in terms of organising the defence. Honestly think he could be a real star for us, saw a totally different side to him today. 100% a centre half. On another note Derrick Williams was also very composed and looked a real player for Blackburn. I'd have happily had either Zak or Del starting for us at CB vs Bolton, allowing Korey to retain his CM spot actually! Thanks for the update. 16 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Good news about Vyner. Thanks for the update. He's always been a centre half - think Louis Carey - and playing at Right back was just a way of learning the ropes, it's the same thing Carey did after all. Yeah, I’ve only seen him play "out of position" at RB. 9 hours ago, NewquayRed said: Can we call him back ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Pisano is close. Dont panic ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said: Pisano is close. Dont panic ! Like to think so but, has to be 2/3 weeks at least. Didn't LJ say he just started running on grass? Could have done with him during Bakers suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Think im gonna go to the Plymouth vs Gas (just down the road from me as well) game in a couple of weeks so will be able to see how he is doing. Argyle have done wonders for some of our 1st team through loans so will hopefully be a similar story for Zak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Imo, Vyner and Kelly are going to be excellent players. Maybe the best we have ever produced, they have the talent if developed properly. A lot will depend on what league we are playing in before we see them play long term for us....that's how I see it. If we were to go up...loaned out again to who? What league? How would they get that fast tack to the first team if we did go up...or even if we stay in the Championship? League 1 or 2 to top Championship side or lower Prem...a difficult route to find. I guess Reid could be a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 11 hours ago, spudski said: Imo, Vyner and Kelly are going to be excellent players. Maybe the best we have ever produced, they have the talent if developed properly. A lot will depend on what league we are playing in before we see them play long term for us....that's how I see it. If we were to go up...loaned out again to who? What league? How would they get that fast tack to the first team if we did go up...or even if we stay in the Championship? League 1 or 2 to top Championship side or lower Prem...a difficult route to find. I guess Reid could be a case. Agreed, I'd like to go and see a Plymouth game to get a better look at Vyner at CB but Kelly puts me in the mind of a classy centre half. He has some of the intricacies of defending down, and for such a young age I think it's very ******* impressive. A lot will depend on their attitudes here, they WILL be given a chance, they just need to seize it. There is always a route for the most talented young players at clubs that emphasise their development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 hours ago, OldlandReddies said: Pisano is close. Dont panic ! We were saying that in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 I was talking to an Argyle fan today who went on Saturday and he was very impressed with Zac as he was with the whole side - outsiders for the playoffs now which is unbelievable given their shocking start. He also appreciated us helping them out in their hour of need by sending him down early after Ryan Edwards`s cancer diagnosis - it appears his operation went well although it`s still early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted February 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Worth a read https://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=102553&start=13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 6, 2018 Report Share Posted February 6, 2018 Reading that makes me wonder why he hasn't played more this season. If he'd been trusted at RB, maybe we wouldn't have had last Friday for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 If we don't go up and Flint is sold in the summer, Wright/Baker first choice with Vyner and Mags as back up for RCB and LCB respectively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 17 hours ago, The Bard said: Reading that makes me wonder why he hasn't played more this season. If he'd been trusted at RB, maybe we wouldn't have had last Friday for example It is only league one though. Half a season down there will improve him immeasurably particularly if Argyle do go on a run for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 15 hours ago, hodge said: If we don't go up and Flint is sold in the summer, Wright/Baker first choice with Vyner and Mags as back up for RCB and LCB respectively? Not against that tbh. Wonder how far behind Moore and Plavotic are considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 17 hours ago, hodge said: If we don't go up and Flint is sold in the summer, Wright/Baker first choice with Vyner and Mags as back up for RCB and LCB respectively? Would rather sell Magnússon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: Would rather sell Magnússon. I like him , and I think there could be a good player there if he could just cut out those mistakes. I thought he'd started to look decent and form a good left side with JB. But I think you might get your wish in the summer. He'll want to play more and even if he has a good World Cup, his only way of getting a regular start for us is if people leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Not against that tbh. Wonder how far behind Moore and Plavotic are considered. Not too far. We also should include Lloyd Kelly and maybe one or three more Academy boys. Glad someone posted about Moore and Platonic as cooking dinner delayed my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 20 hours ago, The Bard said: Reading that makes me wonder why he hasn't played more this season. If he'd been trusted at RB, maybe we wouldn't have had last Friday for example Doing well at Argyle will be excellent experience for Vyner. He's playing regular competitive men's football and like Bryan and Reid will benefit hugely in terms of learning the game. Its obvious that LJ and his coaches don't feel that Vyner is yet ready for the Championship but if he continues to impress down there he could well do enough to change their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Vyner is out of contract this summer according to a Transfermarkt, but you’d imagine we either have an option or will want to sort something ASAP. Re Centre Backs, I see no rush with Zak, he’ll probably start to fill out a fit, gain strength etc. If that takes another season, so be it...think he might be one for the long game....albeit the loan at Plymouth might speed that process up. Difficult balancing act between going out in loan and being a fringe player, especially when they is no short term loan or recall these days (caveat, half way through a season long loan). Might depend what division / league we are in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 @Davefevs it is wrong, Zak signed a new three year deal in August, (it was reported on the official site at the time) so he is under contract until 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: @Davefevs it is wrong, Zak signed a new three year deal in August, (it was reported on the official site at the time) so he is under contract until 2020. Vorsprung durch.....darn German inefficiency. Good news. Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I never thought Vyner would be a centre back as websites like wiki had him down as only being 5 foot 10, even though I am sure he has always looked taller than that. Well now they say he is 6 foot 2, which is much more like it. I think it looks like he has everything to be a top centre back. Once he has more experience and has put on some more muscle, he could be real quality. He has a bit of nastiness about him, which I like. And seems to read the game well and has good pace and technique. From the little I've seen, he reminds me of a Curtis Davies type CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: I never thought Vyner would be a centre back as websites like wiki had him down as only being 5 foot 10, even though I am sure he has always looked taller than that. Well now they say he is 6 foot 2, which is much more like it. I think it looks like he has everything to be a top centre back. Once he has more experience and has put on some more muscle, he could be real quality. He has a bit of nastiness about him, which I like. And seems to read the game well and has good pace and technique. See, that’s what I think he lacks, and it also appears like Johnson feels the same way, according to some of his interviews about Zak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 Yes, LJ said he needs to learn a few tricks like Bailey Wright uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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