Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Two young guys in the analysis and fitness area of the club. Ryhs Carr and Sam Stanton spoke today and listening to them both utterly convinced me just how professional and polished the club has become. The described their roles individually one analylising data and the other being a part of the fitness and recruiting team. They were asked who was quickest player and CoD and Joe Bryan are the fastest with Flint not far behind them. They explained that all players have an app on their phones which they record many several things, how they slept, how their feeling generally and within seconds the info is on the phone of Rhys and that info is tailored to the individual training programme. Prozone is old hat and they use a new system (the name escapes me ) that uses more cameras and is far more accurate that Prozone was. They get instant data on their laptops during games but are unable to transfer said date to the coaches on the touchline as it's forbidden. Apparently the fourth officials are particularly vigilant! Depending on the opposition Pack is usually the one who covers the most ground between 12-15k most games. Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. The pair of the were completely fascinating and both have such great jobs. We had a new bloke on our table today and he said how stimulating the whole experience was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Thanks Robbored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Robbored said: Two young guys in the analysis and fitness area of the club. Ryhs Carr and Sam Stanton spoke today and listening to them both utterly convinced me just how professional and polished the club has become. The described their roles individually one analylising data and the other being a part of the fitness and recruiting team. They were asked who was quickest player and CoD and Joe Bryan are the fastest with Flint not far behind them. They explained that all players have an app on their phones which they record many several things, how they slept, how their feeling generally and within seconds the info is on the phone of Rhys and that info is tailored to the individual training programme. Prozone is old hat and they use a new system (the name escapes me ) that uses more cameras and is far more accurate that Prozone was. They get instant data on their laptops during games but are unable to transfer said date to the coaches on the touchline as it's forbidden. Apparently the fourth officials are particularly vigilant! Depending on the opposition Pack is usually the one who covers the most ground between 12-15k most games. Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. The pair of the were completely fascinating and both have such great jobs. We had a new bloke on our table today and he said how stimulating the whole experience was. Flint one of the fastest! Fair play Aden. Pack's coverage is astounding as well, 12-15k is enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: Prozone is old hat and they use a new system (the name escapes me ) that uses more cameras and is far more accurate that Prozone was. They get instant data on their laptops during games but are unable to transfer said date to the coaches on the touchline as it's forbidden. Apparently the fourth officials are particularly vigilant! Think I'm right in saying Prozone uses cameras dotted around the pitch to track players whereas now at City each player has a little GPS chip attached to their shirt which maps their movements much more accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Flint one of the fastest! Fair play Aden. Yeah that was surprising, depends how they quantify it I guess - over 100m given his stride length that’s less surprising but I’d be amazed if he’s one of the quickest over 10m. Apart from Ivan Sproule against Southampton I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player sprint 100m anyway - did they say what distance they measured it over RR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Think I'm right in saying Prozone uses cameras dotted around the pitch to track players whereas now at City each player has a little GPS chip attached to their shirt which maps their movements much more accurately. It's no longer Prozone it's a new system and is far more accurate than Prozone was. They did say it's name but I can't remember it! There are six cameras compared to four previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Yeah that was surprising, depends how they quantify it I guess - over 100m given his stride length that’s less surprising but I’d be amazed if he’s one of the quickest over 10m. Apart from Ivan Sproule against Southampton I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player sprint 100m anyway - did they say what distance they measured it over RR? 20m. That's about as far as a player would sprint in one go. So Flint is deceptively quick given his size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Robbored said: 20m. That's about as far as a player would sprint in one go. So Flint is deceptively quick given his size. Good acceleration then. Do they measure it any further? Be interested to know how the rest of the squad matched up there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: 20m. That's about as far as a player would sprint in one go. So Flint is deceptively quick given his size. That's interesting thanks. Surprised by that. Also surprised that Eliasson wasn't one of the faster ones. Thanks for the report RR, sounds like an interesting talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 15, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. Interesting, surely there must be something in this stuff for so many different sportsman to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglo-Welsh Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Two young guys in the analysis and fitness area of the club. Ryhs Carr and Sam Stanton spoke today and listening to them both utterly convinced me just how professional and polished the club has become. The described their roles individually one analylising data and the other being a part of the fitness and recruiting team. They were asked who was quickest player and CoD and Joe Bryan are the fastest with Flint not far behind them. They explained that all players have an app on their phones which they record many several things, how they slept, how their feeling generally and within seconds the info is on the phone of Rhys and that info is tailored to the individual training programme. Prozone is old hat and they use a new system (the name escapes me ) that uses more cameras and is far more accurate that Prozone was. They get instant data on their laptops during games but are unable to transfer said date to the coaches on the touchline as it's forbidden. Apparently the fourth officials are particularly vigilant! Depending on the opposition Pack is usually the one who covers the most ground between 12-15k most games. Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. The pair of the were completely fascinating and both have such great jobs. We had a new bloke on our table today and he said how stimulating the whole experience was. Rocky Balboa ran in the snow and carried logs. Simple training. He managed to beat Ivan Drago without such fandangled technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said: Pack's coverage is astounding as well, 12-15k is enormous. I think that is good value. Sanchez is allegedly north of 500k a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, phantom said: Interesting, surely there must be something in this stuff for so many different sportsman to use it Purely psychological! There is no evidence based proof that it does anything at all. A bit like those nasal clamps that were used 20odd years ago. No scientific evidence for those either yet plenty of players used them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey is Right Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, Robbored said: It's no longer Prozone it's a new system and is far more accurate than Prozone was. They did say it's name but I can't remember it! There are six cameras compared to four previously. ChryonHego I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: I think that is good value. Sanchez is allegedly north of 500k a game. 500km ? That's one helluva a performance in an hour and a half . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Yeah that was surprising, depends how they quantify it I guess - over 100m given his stride length that’s less surprising but I’d be amazed if he’s one of the quickest over 10m. Apart from Ivan Sproule against Southampton I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player sprint 100m anyway - did they say what distance they measured it over RR? This may sound odd but game speed is different to sprinting speed. Somebody sprinting in a straight line reaches actualization (full speed) at about sixty metres. Most players never reach that point. A player will have different speeds depending on what direction he is going. Players playing in different positions have differing movements and can move (slower / faster) accordingly due to factors beyond being naturally quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bailey is Right said: ChryonHego I believe That's it! More state of the art technology in use. Its all very impressive. If they could only sort out the tannoy system.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 I always thought Flint was rapid over long distances ever since he outpaced Andre Gray a couple seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: I think that is good value. Sanchez is allegedly north of 500k a game. That’s about 340kph or roughy 55 mph. I knew he looked sharp but wow, and for an hour and a half. Ohh k not km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep the Faith Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Robbored said: Purely psychological! There is no evidence based proof that it does anything at all. A bit like those nasal clamps that were used 20odd years ago. No scientific evidence for those either yet plenty of players used them. I believe there is no scientific evidence but plenty of anecdotal. This leans toward the pyschogical but doesn't disprove the scientific. There aren't lots of studies showing positive scientific evidence but it may be that it is hard to detect. Either way physchology is so important it isn't necessarily less valuable than scientific! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Keep the Faith said: I believe there is no scientific evidence but plenty of anecdotal. This leans toward the pyschogical but doesn't disprove the scientific. There aren't lots of studies showing positive scientific evidence but it may be that it is hard to detect. Either way physchology is so important it isn't necessarily less valuable than scientific! Anecdotal 'evidence' is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Robbored says we're professional so now we're professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Anglo-Welsh said: Rocky Balboa ran in the snow and carried logs. Simple training. He managed to beat Ivan Drago without such fandangled technology. Yes, I saw that documentary aswell, amazing bloke, Rocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, Cowshed said: This may sound odd but game speed is different to sprinting speed. Somebody sprinting in a straight line reaches actualization (full speed) at about sixty metres. Most players never reach that point. A player will have different speeds depending on what direction he is going. Players playing in different positions have differing movements and can move (slower / faster) accordingly due to factors beyond being naturally quicker. Yeah, that’s basically what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: Anecdotal 'evidence' is meaningless. Wild speculation in other words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, Keep the Faith said: I believe there is no scientific evidence but plenty of anecdotal. This leans toward the pyschogical but doesn't disprove the scientific. There aren't lots of studies showing positive scientific evidence but it may be that it is hard to detect. Either way physchology is so important it isn't necessarily less valuable than scientific! The fact no one has yet been able to publish a paper saying 'this works' says a lot. You have to wonder how much snake oil the inventor of this sticky tape shifted to be able to get this in to production! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Think I'm right in saying Prozone uses cameras dotted around the pitch to track players whereas now at City each player has a little GPS chip attached to their shirt which maps their movements much more accurately. No wonder I'm so sluggish as I'm still on Prozac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Bailey is Right said: ChryonHego I believe Isn't that when they freeze you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, Unan said: Robbored says we're professional so now we're professional. I won't believe it until it's on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, Robbored said: Anecdotal 'evidence' is meaningless. You can't prove that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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