Unan Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, RED4LIFE said: I won't believe it until it's on the OS. I was waiting for a reply I could say this to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Anglo-Welsh said: Rocky Balboa ran in the snow and carried logs. Simple training. He managed to beat Ivan Drago without such fandangled technology. Never even played in the Championship, let alone the Prem though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Bailey is Right said: ChryonHego I believe All about how it is used at BCFC here. The two lads who spoke this afternoon, Rhys Carr and Sam Stanton, are in the video as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Sam's a good guy, been lucky enough to meet him before. As analysis goes after the ChyronHego stuff in game sportscode (being the industry standard for analysis) will be used to actually code matches and post match analysis. The clips from the game City want to focus on and highlight will then be used in ChyronHego's coach paint tool which allows them to animate it like you see on Sky Sports with all the things they do on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: This may sound odd but game speed is different to sprinting speed. Somebody sprinting in a straight line reaches actualization (full speed) at about sixty metres. Most players never reach that point. A player will have different speeds depending on what direction he is going. Players playing in different positions have differing movements and can move (slower / faster) accordingly due to factors beyond being naturally quicker. Very true. I remember watching Sam Baldock and thought how good he was at coming towards the ball with a defender up his arse, getting that good first touch to move the ball sideways, second touch to move the ball forward and how quickly he got into a sprint to get away from his marker. I’ve no idea how quick he was overall, in say a 60m sprint. The likes of Flint May take 2-3 strides to get going, but then imagine how much distance those strides cover once he does. Some players remain quick with the ball at their feet, some are rapid without it, but never anywhere near the same with it. The likes of Gazza wasn’t quick, but he had a turn of pace / the ability to get to top speed very quickly. The science side is fascinating but good to hear that there’s not a one size fits all, different types for different parts of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Robbored said: 20m. That's about as far as a player would sprint in one go. So Flint is deceptively quick given his size. That’s only 2 steps for him though........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Anglo-Welsh said: Rocky Balboa ran in the snow and carried logs. Simple training. He managed to beat Ivan Drago without such fandangled technology. He only ever did that when the cameras were on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, handsofclay said: He only ever did that when the cameras were on him. Don't be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Flint one of the fastest! Fair play Aden. Pack's coverage is astounding as well, 12-15k is enormous. Its always been a joke when people say Flint is slow. Never seen anyone sprint away from him in a one on one race to the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 We need some hackers to hack into other teams analysis and give us the upper hand......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: We need some hackers to hack into other teams analysis and give us the upper hand......... One thing they both do is analysis the upcoming opposition very thoroughly. Not hacking of course but how they actually obtain the info they need is unclear. No-one actually asked them. To me I find it remarkable just how much fine detail goes into match preparation. It's a huge exercise which the entire club is involved in. It's not just LJ and his coaches but staff like the two guys today. The detail available to the coaches is vast. Marginal gains...... They were asked how to improve FFs kicking and they said that he's instructed to kick the ball wide rather than up the middle and that's why the ball occasionally goes out. They also said that many footballers are bright guys and mentioned Pack in particular. The guys today were really interesting and I'd love to listen to a proper lecture from them followed by a Q&A session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Flint one of the fastest! Fair play Aden. Pack's coverage is astounding as well, 12-15k is enormous. Suprises me too! (Flint not Pack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan djurichimovic Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 hours ago, phantom said: Interesting, surely there must be something in this stuff for so many different sportsman to use it Agreed makes my dodgy knee feel a lot more stable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Two young guys in the analysis and fitness area of the club. Ryhs Carr and Sam Stanton spoke today and listening to them both utterly convinced me just how professional and polished the club has become. The described their roles individually one analylising data and the other being a part of the fitness and recruiting team. They were asked who was quickest player and CoD and Joe Bryan are the fastest with Flint not far behind them. They explained that all players have an app on their phones which they record many several things, how they slept, how their feeling generally and within seconds the info is on the phone of Rhys and that info is tailored to the individual training programme. Prozone is old hat and they use a new system (the name escapes me ) that uses more cameras and is far more accurate that Prozone was. They get instant data on their laptops during games but are unable to transfer said date to the coaches on the touchline as it's forbidden. Apparently the fourth officials are particularly vigilant! Depending on the opposition Pack is usually the one who covers the most ground between 12-15k most games. Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. The pair of the were completely fascinating and both have such great jobs. We had a new bloke on our table today and he said how stimulating the whole experience was. Thanks for sharing and I agree we seem to be more professional than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter1450 Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, Robbored said: One thing they both do is analysis the upcoming opposition very thoroughly. Not hacking of course but how they actually obtain the info they need is unclear. No-one actually asked them. To me I find it remarkable just how much fine detail goes into match preparation. It's a huge exercise which the entire club is involved in. It's not just LJ and his coaches but staff like the two guys today. The detail available to the coaches is vast. Marginal gains...... The guys today were really interesting and I'd love to listen to a proper lecture from them followed by a Q&A session. All that analysis didn’t do much good last Saturday........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Peter1450 said: All that analysis didn’t do much good last Saturday........... I think you're missing the point Pete.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 They also said COD back in a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Very true. I remember watching Sam Baldock and thought how good he was at coming towards the ball with a defender up his arse, getting that good first touch to move the ball sideways, second touch to move the ball forward and how quickly he got into a sprint to get away from his marker. I’ve no idea how quick he was overall, in say a 60m sprint. The likes of Flint May take 2-3 strides to get going, but then imagine how much distance those strides cover once he does. Some players remain quick with the ball at their feet, some are rapid without it, but never anywhere near the same with it. The likes of Gazza wasn’t quick, but he had a turn of pace / the ability to get to top speed very quickly. The science side is fascinating but good to hear that there’s not a one size fits all, different types for different parts of the game. JET had that too. If he decided to go for it he couldn`t half shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Joe Bryan is the quickest player. Plays even more to my theory that he’s lazy, as he should be able to recover his position quicker than anyone else but never does. Presumably these analysts show LJ this evidence regularly. Presumably LJ shares this with Joe. Presumably Joe isn’t putting his learning/feedback into practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, Robbored said: One thing they both do is analysis the upcoming opposition very thoroughly. Not hacking of course but how they actually obtain the info they need is unclear. No-one actually asked them. To me I find it remarkable just how much fine detail goes into match preparation. It's a huge exercise which the entire club is involved in. It's not just LJ and his coaches but staff like the two guys today. The detail available to the coaches is vast. Marginal gains...... They were asked how to improve FFs kicking and they said that he's instructed to kick the ball wide rather than up the middle and that's why the ball occasionally goes out. They also said that many footballers are bright guys and mentioned Pack in particular. The guys today were really interesting and I'd love to listen to a proper lecture from them followed by a Q&A session. Probably a standard routine for every opponent, how they score their goals, how they concede their goals (and where chances for and against come from) and any patterns in their play to exploit. First two are easy as you will know when goals are scored and footage is readily available, coaches can watch the footage for any strength's weaknesses. As for the patterns it will be a bit more in depth, clubs often have an opposition analyst just for this, its where something like prozone (having been bought out by STATS) may be used, the way it displays the data is still top notch, or the analyst may just pick something up from watching the footage but they will look for trends, ie passing completion rate in the squad and if one player has a lower than average rate, could be a case of then looking to get them the ball and pressure them as they know their clearances won't be as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Harry said: Joe Bryan is the quickest player. Plays even more to my theory that he’s lazy, as he should be able to recover his position quicker than anyone else but never does. Presumably these analysts show LJ this evidence regularly. Presumably LJ shares this with Joe. Presumably Joe isn’t putting his learning/feedback into practice. The other factor for Joe will be stamina, he may have the pace but he's one of the guys who is usually up and down the pitch the most, all that getting forward and tracking back will take its toll. Must do well at yo-yo tests as we don't often see him subbed off for being tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, marmite said: They also said COD back in a couple of weeks. ....and Milan Djuric is back at the club tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Very true. I remember watching Sam Baldock and thought how good he was at coming towards the ball with a defender up his arse, getting that good first touch to move the ball sideways, second touch to move the ball forward and how quickly he got into a sprint to get away from his marker. I’ve no idea how quick he was overall, in say a 60m sprint. The likes of Flint May take 2-3 strides to get going, but then imagine how much distance those strides cover once he does. Some players remain quick with the ball at their feet, some are rapid without it, but never anywhere near the same with it. The likes of Gazza wasn’t quick, but he had a turn of pace / the ability to get to top speed very quickly. The science side is fascinating but good to hear that there’s not a one size fits all, different types for different parts of the game. Don't now what the stats say but I'd say Lee Tomlin was our fastest player last year, when running with the ball. Quite possible that I've just got that wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, marmite said: They also said COD back in a couple of weeks. Well, he knows his plaice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Very true. I remember watching Sam Baldock and thought how good he was at coming towards the ball with a defender up his arse, getting that good first touch to move the ball sideways, second touch to move the ball forward and how quickly he got into a sprint to get away from his marker. I’ve no idea how quick he was overall, in say a 60m sprint. The likes of Flint May take 2-3 strides to get going, but then imagine how much distance those strides cover once he does. Some players remain quick with the ball at their feet, some are rapid without it, but never anywhere near the same with it. The likes of Gazza wasn’t quick, but he had a turn of pace / the ability to get to top speed very quickly. The science side is fascinating but good to hear that there’s not a one size fits all, different types for different parts of the game. What you are highlighting regarding Baldock is receiving techniques, transition, initiation, acceleration patterns. So players can be quick at game related tasks then due to cognitive/motor control/perceptual;/physical constraints be considered slow (very) at other aspects of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, marmite said: They also said COD back in a couple of weeks. what about chips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, Cowshed said: What you are highlighting regarding Baldock is receiving techniques, transition, initiation, acceleration patterns. So players can be quick at game related tasks then due to cognitive/motor control/perceptual;/physical constraints be considered slow (very) at other aspects of the game. I was happy with my description . Seriously though, it is amazing that these things are broken down, measured etc. Marginal gains an’ all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 The stats on Messi, Ronaldo etc must be quite revealing. That said even if you know what they are going to do it's not so easy to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_over_ere Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Chivs said: Don't now what the stats say but I'd say Lee Tomlin was our fastest player last year, when running with the ball. Quite possible that I've just got that wrong though. No, I think you're correct, Tomlin was our fattest player last year with or without the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Purely psychological! There is no evidence based proof that it does anything at all. A bit like those nasal clamps that were used 20odd years ago. No scientific evidence for those either yet plenty of players used them. Should I take mine off now then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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