1bristolcity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Unan said: No point of trying to debate with 1bc, he's incredibly old-fashioned and even more so stuck in his ways. You might consider that experience counts for an awful lot, youth rarely has any insight into much really, I mean how could they if they dismiss experience as being old fashioned or stuck in his ways. I have fully embraced technology, I worked in it for a few years, but the intention should not be to turn footballers into Robots. Hate Unan btw and meh meaningless and so ******* boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: You might consider that experience counts for an awful lot, youth rarely has any insight into much really, I mean how could they if they dismiss experience as being old fashioned or stuck in his ways. I have fully embraced technology, I worked in it for a few years, but the intention should not be to turn footballers into Robots. Hate Unan btw and meh meaningless and so ******* boring. That's not very nice, she's knitted you a cardigan and everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: You might consider that experience counts for an awful lot, youth rarely has any insight into much really, I mean how could they if they dismiss experience as being old fashioned or stuck in his ways. I have fully embraced technology, I worked in it for a few years, but the intention should not be to turn footballers into Robots. Hate Unan btw and meh meaningless and so ******* boring. There's a difference between experience and being stuck in your ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Unan said: There's a difference between experience and being stuck in your ways. Explain why you think 'I am stuck in my ways'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: That's not very nice, she's knitted you a cardigan and everything meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: Explain why you think 'I am stuck in my ways'? Because a multi-billion pound business will obviously use all resources they can to ensure the best possible results yet according to you their intention is to turn them into robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Harry said: Joe Bryan is the quickest player. Plays even more to my theory that he’s lazy, as he should be able to recover his position quicker than anyone else but never does. Presumably these analysts show LJ this evidence regularly. Presumably LJ shares this with Joe. Presumably Joe isn’t putting his learning/feedback into practice. He certainly seems to be when going forward. I assume you watch matches live, whereas, unfortunately, I am restricted due to logistical reasons to watching the majority of matches on TV, streams etc., but I often get the impression that JB is simply jogging back - the Leo Clarke/Sheffield United goal in particular irked me. I appreciate that he is forever running up and down the pitch, hence is undoubtedly tired, but I just do not see the same intensity in his (defensive) game as, e.g. Nathan Baker or Aden Flint - extreme comparative examples, I know. I believe it was @Cowshed who mentioned earlier in this thread about receiving techniques and initiation, but I believe that both experience and intuition are equally important, if not more so. A player may well be 'physically slow', but if he is blessed with the above-mentioned attributes he will gain yards: witness the late Gerry Gow (I observed this many years ago when he was playing in City's youth team). I know it is not the same sport, but if you have ever watched clips of the Australian cricketer Neil Harvey or the South African, Jonty Rhodes, you will notice that they appear to be moving to intercept the ball before it is even hit - English players such as Derek Randall and, of course, David Gower were similar beneficiaries of great anticipitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: He certainly seems to be when going forward. I assume you watch matches live, whereas, unfortunately, I am restricted due to logistical reasons to watching the majority of matches on TV, streams etc., but I often get the impression that JB is simply jogging back - the Leo Clarke/Sheffield United goal in particular irked me. I appreciate that he is forever running up and down the pitch, hence is undoubtedly tired, but I just do not see the same intensity in his (defensive) game as, e.g. Nathan Baker or Aden Flint - extreme comparative examples, I know. My sentiments exactly. The analysts are telling us he’s the quickest at the club. Why then is he the slowest when going toward his own goal. You view correctly Phil - he jogs back with no urgency. I’ve been saying it forever. Not just the example you gave with Clarke/Sheff U. Look at Bolton/Ameobi. Joe jogs back. Bobby Reid closes the gap more on Ameobi having started further away. Seems Bobby was showing urgency to get back whereas Joe just jogs. There are countless other examples. This is my biggest criticism of Joe. If he solves this then I’ll freely admit to this ‘best LB in the league’ talk, but until he cures this flaw, he’ll always be an average LB to me. I just hope this is pointed out to him by the analysts. If not, they’re not doing their job. If they have, then Joe is not improving on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: Money is spoiling the game, it is the case that only clubs that have huge spending power will ever win anything, the exception was Leicester, which all that did was to spur the big clubs on to spend more to ensure it can't happen again, and it won't unless there are changes. So if you are content in the League titles being shares by any one of four clubs then fine, but it makes a mockery of the league. Of course you can multiply that by a factor of ten when it comes to Champions League. Football has sold out to corrupt individuals by and large, dirty money, and is a good deal poorer for it. Four clubs? As many as that? Next season'll be brilliant, then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Unan said: Because a multi-billion pound business will obviously use all resources they can to ensure the best possible results yet according to you their intention is to turn them into robots. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 15/02/2018 at 15:21, Robbored said: Kinetic tape - only has psychological benefits. Some players like it despite there being no scientific evidence that it does anything physically. FFS! I just went and bloody bought some due to a calf injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, 1bristolcity said: You might consider that experience counts for an awful lot, youth rarely has any insight into much really, I mean how could they if they dismiss experience as being old fashioned or stuck in his ways. I have fully embraced technology, I worked in it for a few years, but the intention should not be to turn footballers into Robots. Why would a use of technology make players robotic? One of the criticisms of traditional training methods is that they create players that are robotic. The use of technology can increase a players time with the ball more efficiently, more time with the ball creates more skillful and creative players. Its a simplistic argument, but a player spending ten hours a week on focused deliberate training with the appropriate support, will in time be more talented than a player who spends the equivalent time going down the route of just static, variable and random practice. More talent less robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: FFS! I just went and bloody bought some due to a calf injury If you believe in its miraculous benefits then its definitely for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: FFS! I just went and bloody bought some due to a calf injury Would you not just call the Vet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Cowshed said: Why would a use of technology make players robotic? One of the criticisms of traditional training methods is that they create players that are robotic. The use of technology can increase a players time with the ball more efficiently, more time with the ball creates more skillful and creative players. Its a simplistic argument, but a player spending ten hours a week on focused deliberate training with the appropriate support, will in time be more talented than a player who spends the equivalent time going down the route of just static, variable and random practice. More talent less robot. And you believe that? That it makes better players, of course it would help with conditioning, but betters players, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: And you believe that? That it makes better players, of course it would help with conditioning, but betters players, I don't think so. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemmyredjeff Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I don't find this that interesting, in fact it's a bit of a turn off. Football at it's most enjoyable, both to play and watch, is a simple game. When every player in every team is super fit, when all clubs have got the same access to data analysis, drones etc. surely the majority of teams will just cancel each other out? Might be great for the 'technicians' behind the scenes but sounds like an increasingly tedious experience for the fans to me. What is it, 5 0-0 draws already this season? Don't remember that many before. I have only just bothered reading this thread and was ready to put on more or less what you have stated. It would be interesting to know how many championship clubs are using this system as I feel its more a case of having to keep up with rest rather than being one step ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 10 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: And you believe that? That it makes better players, of course it would help with conditioning, but betters players, I don't think so. And you believe that? I know it. It is a fact. The use of technology leads to faster learning, you are using a technological tool, not sticks and mud to type. You have not explained how technology can be used to make players more robotic rather than more talented. Technology is not used solely for conditioning. It improves reaction time and can focus on for instance improving ball skill leading to more talented players. The use of technology can increase a players time with the ball more efficiently, more time with the ball creates more skillful and creative players .. Did you agree or disagree with that basic premise? Did you agree with the point that poor coaching using ill defined static and variable practice can make players robotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 13 hours ago, 1bristolcity said: And you believe that? That it makes better players, of course it would help with conditioning, but betters players, I don't think so. then they are better players!!! unless you think a player out of condition is a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 15/02/2018 at 16:48, Shtanley said: I always thought Flint was rapid over long distances ever since he outpaced Andre Gray a couple seasons ago. There was a game this season when he went on a run into the other half and showing remarkable speed, possibly the Middlesbrough game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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