myol'man Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just found this on the Ashton Gate events page; Recent events As well as those events listed above, Ashton Gate is of course a sports venue, and over the past few weeks we've catered to huge attendances including some massive cup ties. Recent attendances included: Bristol City v Manchester United 25,603 Bristol City v Reading 18,780 Bristol City v Wolves 22,701 Bristol City v Norwich 18,439 Bristol City v Manchester City 25,653 Bristol City v QPR 18,454 Bristol City v Sunderland 19,020 I guess these must be the 'bums on seats' figures. Several thousand below the published figures at some games. http://www.ashtongatestadium.co.uk/events/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Interesting, they gave out the Wolves attendance as over 25k at the time didn’t they?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Reading and Sunderland were both apparently over 23000 and QPR was over 22000, very interesting to see how they actually differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo1 Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Interesting, they gave out the Wolves attendance as over 25k at the time didn’t they?! Think the announcements at the stadium is "the attendance" not the actual bums on seats that myolman alluded to. Also the arguement put forward by the club to the council in regard to the conditions that apply to the club footing the bill for parking scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 Definitely interesting- we all knew the margin of error was up to a few thousand, the 2 Manchester's the 2 notable exceptions there, but interesting to see those attendance figures confirmed in writing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 All our published attendance figures are on the City web site under fixtures 2017-2018. All of these are higher than the new list on BS web site. They must be quoting the actual number who attended rather than the number sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 I remember back in the 90s the exact opposite used to happen. The official attendance was given out as considerably lower than the actual bums on seats , to the extent that one game everybody just turned to the Directors Box and just howled with laughter when a crowd of about 11,000 was given out as 7 something . They actually amended it about 5 minutes later. Obviously something dodgy going on back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: I remember back in the 90s the exact opposite used to happen. The official attendance was given out as considerably lower than the actual bums on seats , to the extent that one game everybody just turned to the Directors Box and just howled with laughter when a crowd of about 11,000 was given out as 7 something . They actually amended it about 5 minutes later. Obviously something dodgy going on back then. 70's as well mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 the reason they are now quoting actual attendance numbers is to avoid the risk of having to put in a residents parking scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 12, 2018 Report Share Posted March 12, 2018 So does this mean that on average there are 2,000 - 3,000 ST holders staying away for each home game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 14:24, ExiledAjax said: So does this mean that on average there are 2,000 - 3,000 ST holders staying away for each home game? Sexstone once said on average 1 in 6 STH's don't turn up for each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Sexstone once said on average 1 in 6 STH's don't turn up for each game. In 1997. I wonder what it’s like now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: In 1997. I wonder what it’s like now? I'd estimate it was more like 2010/11, and I expect similar numbers apply today. It certainly looks like it when you're at the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 South Stand always shows as fully booked if I try to buy extra tickets but there are always plenty of empty seats in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutstandingMixer Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Nearly 7k missing for the Sheffield Wednesday game! Surprised by the Reading figure. The home sections looked nearly full to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 This type of thread comes up from time to time and some try to use it as a stick to beat City or our fan base and I can never work out why. It's quite simple really, just about every club give their attendance figures as tickets sold e.g Sunderland v Preston was 28,000 last week but many journalists estimate there was around 15,000 in the ground. Season ticket holders buy their ticket knowing they will get value as they will go to the vast majority of the games. However, weddings, funerals, illness, work, holidays, travel conditions etc can all mean fans might miss at least 2 games per season. Of course when the team is having a poor season e.g Sunderland, you might also get the 'can't be arsed factor'. City's attendances are the highest for nearly 40 years and we should celebrate that (bums on seats or tickets sold). The tone of these type of threads is often, why don't City tell the truth, when they are recording how many tickets have been sold and they are doing what the vast majority of other clubs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Final pint I meant to make, if there was a table of 'bums on seats' we would actually move up from 11th place more likely than not. The reason being we are having a good season so are unlikely to be greatly affected by the 'can't be arsed' factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? Would be interesting to know how many of our ST holders are kids on the (currently) super-cheap £50 season tickets. Suspect you won't mind not taking your kid to half-a-dozen games when you're paying an incredibly low price like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? It’s more season card holders who cannot make it for whatever reason. Look at Reading’s latest home attendances, they must not count season ticket holders as standard. Perhaps their worst since moving into the Madjeski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? 10 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: Would be interesting to know how many of our ST holders are kids on the (currently) super-cheap £50 season tickets. Suspect you won't mind not taking your kid to half-a-dozen games when you're paying an incredibly low price like that. My season ticket (south stand) is £345. Based on the match day price of £28 for the Brentford game, i can miss up to 10 matches on my season ticker before it becomes worse value than buying game by game. I reckon i usually miss around 5 games a season on average for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Sexstone once said on average 1 in 6 STH's don't turn up for each game. 4 hours ago, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 I remember being told a story from somebody who was in the know in the old days that the admission charges for the few thousand non declared attendees were divied up between the players and did not go through the books. Those Were The Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: It’s more season card holders who cannot make it for whatever reason. Look at Reading’s latest home attendances, they must not count season ticket holders as standard. Perhaps their worst since moving into the Madjeski. I appreciate that there are much more important things in life than football, and often people can't make it for a whole number of reasons.. I'm just absolutely astonished that as many as one fifth of our season ticket holders miss each home game. Whatever happens, don't tell the blue few. You know they'll come up with a stat about percentage of season ticket holders that attend games and try and claim they are the more loyal fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Wanderingred said: I appreciate that there are much more important things in life than football, and often people can't make it for a whole number of reasons.. I'm just absolutely astonished that as many as one fifth of our season ticket holders miss each home game. Whatever happens, don't tell the blue few. You know they'll come up with a stat about percentage of season ticket holders that attend games and try and claim they are the more loyal fans! It does seem high but it won`t be the same fifth every game. I`ve missed two this season, one through illness and the Wednesday game when I was snowed in - I wouldn`t have missed either normally. A case in point - the bloke who sits next to me in the SS has a ST and so does his 13/14 year old son. The dad has been there for every game but I doubt his son has seen more than about six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 18 hours ago, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? I’m sure most ST holders miss some games for various reasons and 20 % is probably a reasonable estimate. There can be conflicting work commitments, family commitments, holidays, weather, illness and so on. I’m quite committed but I think I’ve missed four out of nineteen to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 23/03/2018 at 22:59, Nogbad the Bad said: I'd estimate it was more like 2010/11, and I expect similar numbers apply today. It certainly looks like it when you're at the ground. Not a great season....several of the players didn't used to turn up either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 @The Horse With No Name @Loon plage Early 2000's too...fairly sure around 2003 time, quite a few games were announced as between 9-11,000 or so and yet- away end aside- the ground looked less than empty. So arguably undercounting by 2-3k. Take Colchester at home during that massive winning run under Danny Wilson in the Brighton playoff final loss season. I know they would have brought next to no fans but I struggle to believe we could near the top with 6 wins on the bounce behind us, only have got 10,733 that day! In those times, our attendances spiked quite a bit when in a major run or a promotion push, so 10,733 (I've got the attendances up from that season), seemed a bit suspect to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 24/03/2018 at 05:12, Wanderingred said: So according to that, around 3000 people per game buy tickets, then don't turn up. Seriously?? It’s a bit like Rovers away attendances, except 3,000 people don’t buy tickets, don’t turn up, but then get added to their fans match reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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