Statement from Jon Lansdown + SC&T reply

[WolfOfWestStreet]

58 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

When it gets on facebook, share and get tagging.

Also @Harry make sure the post is visible to everyone, as I believe the S82 group is closed 

Can you post a link to the S82 group mate, can't find it.

[Welcome To The Jungle]

1 minute ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Can you post a link to the S82 group mate, can't find it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BCFCBTTEE/

[054123]

4 hours ago, AshtonPark said:

To get young kids hooked, if your son is 3 and spending £200 he probably won’t make every game. You make it £50, he gets hooked and then when he’s 12 you have no real choice as he wants to Keep watching city. 

Agreed, best draw on that magic pot of extra money that appears when your child turns 12.

[NickJ]

23 hours ago, RedM said:

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/statement-on-season-cards-201819/

Whoever is responsible for that statement must be a little bit stupid.

Clearly, the main issue which most people have is the choice being offered by the club to families of "move where we tell you to or pay massive price  increases to stay where you are" and the attitude "we don't really care that you may have to move away from people you have been with for years".

Equally clearly, whoever made the statement has not taken that on board in the slightest.

All the club had to do was restrict price increases for EXISTING seat holders  to the same as everybody else, but increase them to NEW season ticket holders by the amount which they propose. In time as children become adults and/or do not renew their tickets, the club would achieve what they wanted but without causing all this fuss.

I'm surprised the SC&T hasn't offered this as a solution, but IMO they should do so.

@Dollymarie???

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

What gripes me is the fact they hold the AG development against us as some kind of bargaining chip. No one is exactly sat here screaming the stadium is shit

. No idea why the stadium being better than Bournemouth, Huddersfield etc has anything to do with things...

Applying their logic and bearing in mind BCFC is merely a user of the stadium in common with the rugby club, presumably their 7,000 fans need to pay three times as much as our 21,000 fans ? fairs far after all.....

[Barkhamred]

8 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Whoever is responsible for that statement must be a little bit stupid.

Clearly, the main issue which most people have is the choice being offered by the club to families of "move where we tell you to or pay massive price  increases to stay where you are" and the attitude "we don't really care that you may have to move away from people you have been with for years".

Equally clearly, whoever made the statement has not taken that on board in the slightest.

All the club had to do was restrict price increases for EXISTING seat holders  to the same as everybody else, but increase them to NEW season ticket holders by the amount which they propose. In time as children become adults and/or do not renew their tickets, the club would achieve what they wanted but without causing all this fuss.

I'm surprised the SC&T hasn't offered this as a solution, but IMO they should do so.

@Dollymarie???

Posted this on the other thread

No-one has mentioned the possible lack of blocks of seats in the SS of 4 or more together (assuming all those currently with season tickets eventually renew).

A typical situation could arise with grandfather*, father* and 2 children (of an age where they flatly refuse to sit with the "little kids") have to move due to inability to find the extra money - they prefer to watch the game from the side, don't want to leave their friends but reluctantly decide to move to the SS but then find that they can't sit together! 

(*or grandmother / mother or any combination of family members

[WhistleHappy]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

I’m walking out on 30 minutes and I will go and get a drink at one of the stalls outside the ground. The chaps of Section 82 are all doing so too. We ask as many of you as are inclined, to join us  

Some may think this affects the team. I don’t. 

If you are behind it, leave with me on 30 minutes. It’s only a 15 minute protest, you can go back in for the 2nd half. Hopefully this will be enough to not affect the team but to also be enough of a visible statement. 

Sneaky & Dirty - I’m out at 30. 

This appears to be the most visible and monetarily punitive ... Best idea yet.. Easily communicated via word of mouth, not only in the S82 ....theres in reason not to adopt the same throughout the stadium.

One addition I think would add nicely to it, and alert others to what's happening:

Everyone Pre-Sets their Mobile phone Alarm Clocks to go off simultaneously at the agreed time (ie 3.30pm/30mins in) as a signal for the passive protest to begin... Hundreds of phone ALARMS going off at the same time, followed by a mass exodus would add a Powerful AUDIBLE element to the VISUAL aspect of the protest  and would be impossible to ignore or overlook, also it would alert possibly unaware supporters to what us going on.  

 

So...

Hundreds of Phone Alarms simultaneously going off in section 82 & around the stadium, signalling the start of the 'Out on 30' exodus to the fanzone outside. (could even pre set phones to signal the end of the protest and return to the second half too) Imagine huge chants and cheers at this point.

[WhistleHappy]

Confused @Spoons ? 

Simply set phone alarm clocks to go off simultaneously to signal the start of @Harry 's suggested walk out protest.

What's difficult about that?  

[WolfOfWestStreet]

1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BCFCBTTEE/

Cheers mate

[TBW]

I really don't get the outcry here.

What is it about disabled fans that mean they should pay less than everyone else? In terms of equality they should pay the same as what everyone else in their age group pays. Sure the big jump in one go may not be appreciated but the club have just recognised that in their response in the original post of this thread.

In regards to kids prices going up in some areas. Who here honestly thinks the £50 tickets aren't crazily priced? 

And with reference to moving kids out of the central Lansdown stand what does it matter? The club aren't lying to us. They outright said they want to make the most of the best seats and personally I see it as fine for them to do so. Those £50-100 kids tickets probably aren't used for every game like adults are. If you pay £50 and get a shirt out of it too then you only really need to take your kid to two games and it's paid for itself. You could leave it empty for the other 21 games and that's £500+ the club are losing out on. There are plenty of areas in the stadium for kids to sit and the "we like our seat" arguement doesn't really stand as the Lansdown has only been up for two years. Hardly like they're kicking you out of a seat you've been in for 20 years... and if they were your kid wouldn't be a kid anymore anyway and you'd be looking at an even bigger bump when they get into the higher age price bands.

Also, the view up the top of Lansdown is great. Maybe not for everyone but you can see everything pretty solidly. How do you know kids won't be good up there? Just get kids more opportunities to go to "meet and greet" sessions with players as an add-on and they'll all be more than happy. If you offered me a £50-100 ticket up there I'd bite your hand off for it.

[poland_exile]

If I was a member of the board i would honestly laugh at a 15-minute protest. 

[Bar BS3]

1 hour ago, Barkhamred said:

Posted this on the other thread

No-one has mentioned the possible lack of blocks of seats in the SS of 4 or more together (assuming all those currently with season tickets eventually renew).

A typical situation could arise with grandfather*, father* and 2 children (of an age where they flatly refuse to sit with the "little kids") have to move due to inability to find the extra money - they prefer to watch the game from the side, don't want to leave their friends but reluctantly decide to move to the SS but then find that they can't sit together! 

(*or grandmother / mother or any combination of family members

It’s a valid scenario, but I don’t think that’s the club’s fault, directly. 

If there aren’t seats available in other areas, then that leaves the choice that IS available. That’s the same as any other limited capacity purchase, in any walk of life. 

It’s a scenario that may well arise for some and I hope that they are able to find a suitable & affordable solution. 

[Cowshed]

11 minutes ago, Robin TBW said:

I really don't get the outcry here.

What is it about disabled fans that mean they should pay less than everyone else?

Because the disabled are frequently disadvantaged by their disability. Physically and financially. Concessionary rates attempt to address this disadvantage. By treating individuals who have differing needs the same as the rest of society you (and you are defending this) disadvantage further often vulnerable people.

[Blagdon red]

SC&T reply to Jon Lansdown's statement: http://bristolcitysupporters.org/reply-to-the-clubs-latest-statement-on-season-cards-201819/

"After an initial call from the Club for ideas at the January meeting of FAN, to which the members responded, the Supporters Club & Trust was hugely disappointed by the absence of a second stage of consultation before season card prices for 2018/19 were announced on the Club’s website.

An unprecedented reaction from fans followed, leading to the SC&T and FAN calling a joint meeting at which Club representatives had the chance to explain the rationale behind their plans and to listen at first hand to fans deeply affected.

Limited concessions
While the outcome of that meeting left many fans still baffled and angry, we are pleased to have gained at least some limited concessions both in the immediate aftermath of the initial pricing announcement and in the Club’s statement on 15th March. Namely:

• Reinstatement of U12 and U19 price categories initially removed from certain areas (albeit significantly increased)
• An extension of the payment deadline from 19^th March to initially 26^th March and now the 29^th
• A spreading of the price increase for disabled fans over 3 years

Despite these limited concessions, we remain shocked by the continued lack of empathy being shown by the Club, including in yesterday’s statement, for fans on tight budgets and for fans in groups, many long-standing, who may be forced to move from their traditional area by the season card pricing structure in a process that can be perceived as social engineering.

Issued not addressed
Many of the issues for fans that have arisen from the Club’s plans could have been addressed and avoided through a second stage of advance consultation.  Many of these, however, are still not addressed even in the latest statement. For example:

• For many fans the increases are well over inflation
• Fans are still being forced to move from their traditional area by disproportionate increases for U12s and U19s

Going forward, we call for a commitment from the Club:

• To hold not less than three rounds of consultation with supporters during the period of setting season card prices each year. 
• To agree, now that the ‘incorrect’ prices of recent years have been ‘corrected’, to cap increases for the next five years, e.g. to no more than the rate of inflation.

A helping hand
While we recognise that our ability to influence pricing matters is very limited if the Club refuses to engage in proper dialogue, the Supporters Club & Trust will not stand idly by as fellow fans find themselves priced out by large, unexpected increases that they had no chance to budget for. The SC&T doesn’t have the funds to help every fan affected in this way, but it can help the fans of the future. The Club & Trust is therefore looking to launch the following schemes:

• 'Fans Funding Fans of the Future': we will fund the season card price increase for any U12 fan in the Dolman or Lower Lansdown if the parent/guardian feels unable to do so*
• A season card purchase scheme for blocks of seats in prime areas, which we will make available to U12 fans and their parents/guardians for a variety of purposes**

Full details of these schemes will be announced shortly and the SC&T calls on the Club to work with us to ensure that they can be administered smoothly.

Lawful protest
We fully understand and share the continuing deep dissatisfaction with the current price increases still felt by many supporters and recognise that many fans are being placed in a serious financial predicament. In these circumstances, we fully back the right of every supporter to protest in a peaceful, lawful manner at Ashton Gate on Saturday.

We hope that after this regrettable period of confrontation, the Club and fans can go forward in a new spirit of co-operation and common purpose to achieve our common aims and objectives.

* The ‘Fans Funding Fans of the Future’ scheme is set to launch with an initial pot of £2,500. Details of how claims can be made and of how you can help the SC&T by contributing to the pot if you wish will be released shortly.

**The implementation of both schemes may require logistical assistance from Bristol Sport, which we very much hope the staff there will be happy to provide"

End of statement

 

As @Dollymarie has already said, every fan has the right to choose whether or not to join in any protest on Saturday. The SC&T is therefore not formally recommending either course of action. Our chair @thatcham red and deputy chair @Milo have indicated that they will be supporting the walkout on 30 minutes. Were I able to be at the game, I would be doing the same.

 

 

[Red Skin]

So if my understanding is correct the club are now raising disabled prices following the reaction of fans?  My son was going to get an age appropriate season ticket, but now that is being phased in.  

@Davefevs.  Is that correct?

 

[Drew Peacock]

14 minutes ago, Blagdon red said:

SC&T reply to Jon Lansdown's statement: http://bristolcitysupporters.org/reply-to-the-clubs-latest-statement-on-season-cards-201819/

"After an initial call from the Club for ideas at the January meeting of FAN, to which the members responded, the Supporters Club & Trust was hugely disappointed by the absence of a second stage of consultation before season card prices for 2018/19 were announced on the Club’s website.

An unprecedented reaction from fans followed, leading to the SC&T and FAN calling a joint meeting at which Club representatives had the chance to explain the rationale behind their plans and to listen at first hand to fans deeply affected.

Limited concessions
While the outcome of that meeting left many fans still baffled and angry, we are pleased to have gained at least some limited concessions both in the immediate aftermath of the initial pricing announcement and in the Club’s statement on 15th March. Namely:

• Reinstatement of U12 and U19 price categories initially removed from certain areas (albeit significantly increased)
• An extension of the payment deadline from 19^th March to initially 26^th March and now the 29^th
• A spreading of the price increase for disabled fans over 3 years

Despite these limited concessions, we remain shocked by the continued lack of empathy being shown by the Club, including in yesterday’s statement, for fans on tight budgets and for fans in groups, many long-standing, who may be forced to move from their traditional area by the season card pricing structure in a process that can be perceived as social engineering.

Issued not addressed
Many of the issues for fans that have arisen from the Club’s plans could have been addressed and avoided through a second stage of advance consultation.  Many of these, however, are still not addressed even in the latest statement. For example:

• For many fans the increases are well over inflation
• Fans are still being forced to move from their traditional area by disproportionate increases for U12s and U19s

Going forward, we call for a commitment from the Club:

• To hold not less than three rounds of consultation with supporters during the period of setting season card prices each year. 
• To agree, now that the ‘incorrect’ prices of recent years have been ‘corrected’, to cap increases for the next five years, e.g. to no more than the rate of inflation.

A helping hand
While we recognise that our ability to influence pricing matters is very limited if the Club refuses to engage in proper dialogue, the Supporters Club & Trust will not stand idly by as fellow fans find themselves priced out by large, unexpected increases that they had no chance to budget for. The SC&T doesn’t have the funds to help every fan affected in this way, but it can help the fans of the future. The Club & Trust is therefore looking to launch the following schemes:

• 'Fans Funding Fans of the Future': we will fund the season card price increase for any U12 fan in the Dolman or Lower Lansdown if the parent/guardian feels unable to do so*
• A season card purchase scheme for blocks of seats in prime areas, which we will make available to U12 fans and their parents/guardians for a variety of purposes**

Full details of these schemes will be announced shortly and the SC&T calls on the Club to work with us to ensure that they can be administered smoothly.

Lawful protest
We fully understand and share the continuing deep dissatisfaction with the current price increases still felt by many supporters and recognise that many fans are being placed in a serious financial predicament. In these circumstances, we fully back the right of every supporter to protest in a peaceful, lawful manner at Ashton Gate on Saturday.

We hope that after this regrettable period of confrontation, the Club and fans can go forward in a new spirit of co-operation and common purpose to achieve our common aims and objectives.

* The ‘Fans Funding Fans of the Future’ scheme is set to launch with an initial pot of £2,500. Details of how claims can be made and of how you can help the SC&T by contributing to the pot if you wish will be released shortly.

**The implementation of both schemes may require logistical assistance from Bristol Sport, which we very much hope the staff there will be happy to provide"

End of statement

 

As @Dollymarie has already said, every fan has the right to choose whether or not to join in any protest on Saturday. The SC&T is therefore not formally recommending either course of action. Our chair @thatcham red and deputy chair @Milo have indicated that they will be supporting the walkout on 30 minutes. Were I able to be at the game, I would be doing the same.

 

 

**** me.  Carry on ignoring the pensioners why don't you.

[NickJ]

37 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

If I was a member of the board i would honestly laugh at a 15-minute protest. 

I agree.

[kelbcfc]

3 hours ago, Dave said:

My point was that this is the first increase in 3 seasons, and this does not appear to being factored into peoples calculations.

 

But whats not been mentioned we basically sat in a building site for 2 years

[Bar BS3]

21 minutes ago, Blagdon red said:

SC&T reply to Jon Lansdown's statement: http://bristolcitysupporters.org/reply-to-the-clubs-latest-statement-on-season-cards-201819/

"After an initial call from the Club for ideas at the January meeting of FAN, to which the members responded, the Supporters Club & Trust was hugely disappointed by the absence of a second stage of consultation before season card prices for 2018/19 were announced on the Club’s website.

An unprecedented reaction from fans followed, leading to the SC&T and FAN calling a joint meeting at which Club representatives had the chance to explain the rationale behind their plans and to listen at first hand to fans deeply affected.

Limited concessions
While the outcome of that meeting left many fans still baffled and angry, we are pleased to have gained at least some limited concessions both in the immediate aftermath of the initial pricing announcement and in the Club’s statement on 15th March. Namely:

• Reinstatement of U12 and U19 price categories initially removed from certain areas (albeit significantly increased)
• An extension of the payment deadline from 19^th March to initially 26^th March and now the 29^th
• A spreading of the price increase for disabled fans over 3 years

Despite these limited concessions, we remain shocked by the continued lack of empathy being shown by the Club, including in yesterday’s statement, for fans on tight budgets and for fans in groups, many long-standing, who may be forced to move from their traditional area by the season card pricing structure in a process that can be perceived as social engineering.

Issued not addressed
Many of the issues for fans that have arisen from the Club’s plans could have been addressed and avoided through a second stage of advance consultation.  Many of these, however, are still not addressed even in the latest statement. For example:

• For many fans the increases are well over inflation
• Fans are still being forced to move from their traditional area by disproportionate increases for U12s and U19s

Going forward, we call for a commitment from the Club:

• To hold not less than three rounds of consultation with supporters during the period of setting season card prices each year. 
• To agree, now that the ‘incorrect’ prices of recent years have been ‘corrected’, to cap increases for the next five years, e.g. to no more than the rate of inflation.

A helping hand
While we recognise that our ability to influence pricing matters is very limited if the Club refuses to engage in proper dialogue, the Supporters Club & Trust will not stand idly by as fellow fans find themselves priced out by large, unexpected increases that they had no chance to budget for. The SC&T doesn’t have the funds to help every fan affected in this way, but it can help the fans of the future. The Club & Trust is therefore looking to launch the following schemes:

• 'Fans Funding Fans of the Future': we will fund the season card price increase for any U12 fan in the Dolman or Lower Lansdown if the parent/guardian feels unable to do so*
• A season card purchase scheme for blocks of seats in prime areas, which we will make available to U12 fans and their parents/guardians for a variety of purposes**

Full details of these schemes will be announced shortly and the SC&T calls on the Club to work with us to ensure that they can be administered smoothly.

Lawful protest
We fully understand and share the continuing deep dissatisfaction with the current price increases still felt by many supporters and recognise that many fans are being placed in a serious financial predicament. In these circumstances, we fully back the right of every supporter to protest in a peaceful, lawful manner at Ashton Gate on Saturday.

We hope that after this regrettable period of confrontation, the Club and fans can go forward in a new spirit of co-operation and common purpose to achieve our common aims and objectives.

* The ‘Fans Funding Fans of the Future’ scheme is set to launch with an initial pot of £2,500. Details of how claims can be made and of how you can help the SC&T by contributing to the pot if you wish will be released shortly.

**The implementation of both schemes may require logistical assistance from Bristol Sport, which we very much hope the staff there will be happy to provide"

End of statement

 

As @Dollymarie has already said, every fan has the right to choose whether or not to join in any protest on Saturday. The SC&T is therefore not formally recommending either course of action. Our chair @thatcham red and deputy chair @Milo have indicated that they will be supporting the walkout on 30 minutes. Were I able to be at the game, I would be doing the same.

 

 

What a brilliant initiative the “Fans funding fans of the future” is! Well done to whoever came up with this!

I trust that it will be issued in a way that it can’t be abused by anyone. 

It would be a very appropriate and timely gesture, for the club to match any funds donated to this pot! 

[poland_exile]

Sneaky & Diry: I'm out at 30 (but then coming back after I've had a pint)

Honestly, that's the most ridiculous protest I've ever heard of. Totally ineffectual and counter-productive. And you know what, considering the numbers of people who go for their piss / pie / pint a few minutes later,  I doubt it'll even register.

If you feel strongly about it, hit them where it hurts - don't renew, boycott matches. a walk-out staged a few minutes before everyone walks out anyway just looks daft.  

[Welcome To The Jungle]

1 minute ago, poland_exile said:

Sneaky & Diry: I'm out at 30 (but then coming back after I've had a pint)

Honestly, that's the most ridiculous protest I've ever heard of. Totally ineffectual and counter-productive. And you know what, considering the numbers of people who go for their piss / pie / pint a few minutes later,  I doubt it'll even register.

If you feel strongly about it, hit them where it hurts - don't renew, boycott matches. a walk-out staged a few minutes before everyone walks out anyway just looks daft.  

To an extent I agree, but no one else with any kind of authority put their foot forward. Quite disappointed by the SCAT for not putting their foot forward

[Guest]

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[WhistleHappy]

1 hour ago, poland_exile said:

If I was a member of the board i would honestly laugh at a 15-minute protest. 

I doubt they'll be laughing quite so loud when they check the drop in corresponding concessions food and beverage receipts... 

(a not necessarily time limited or deadline day dictated situation btw.. a situation that can easily continue as a season long (& beyond) hit to Club finances if deemed appropriate)..

An option always available to supporters if they feel marginalised by un-empathetic club decisions and attitude. 

An easily repeatable peaceful 15 min  'shot across the bows' warning if you like... which would be foolhardy to ignore!  

[poland_exile]

1 minute ago, WhistleHappy said:

I doubt they'll be laughing quite so loud when they check the drop in corresponding concessions food and beverage receipts... 

(a not necessarily time limited or deadline day dictated situation btw.. a situation that can easily continue as a season long (& beyond) hit to Club finances if deemed appropriate. An option always available to supporters if they feel marginalised by un-empathetic club decisions, attitude. 

An easily repeatable peaceful 15 min virtual 'shot across the bow' warning if you like... which would be foolhardy to ignore! 

how many people are taking part? And aren't the facilities outside the ground also owned by the club? As I've posted elsewhere, the whole "I'm out at 30... but coming back after a pint" seems a little ineffectual in the grand scheme of things. Out at 30 and not coming back for the rest of the match... now that has a point. Not renewing season tickets - that has a point. doing a proper noisy protest, that has a point. going on the pitch, even. But just skulking out early for a beer, I'm not sure what that can achieve. 

I'll be happy to eat my words if I'm proved wrong, but I can't help but feel this hasn't been thought out well! 

[Olé]

1 hour ago, Robin TBW said:

And with reference to moving kids out of the central Lansdown stand what does it matter? ... There are plenty of areas in the stadium for kids to sit and the "we like our seat" arguement doesn't really stand as the Lansdown has only been up for two years.

But it's not just the central Lansdown is it? It's every single side-on block in the ground besides the Upper Lansdown. The whole Dolman is subject to the same huge kids (and other concessions) increases. The Dolman "wings", which have only in recent seasons even got close to selling out (Dolman A used to be half empty) are subject to 100% increases for kids and others. And this, an area that many generations have chosen and been loyal to for many years - perhaps not the cheapest, but certainly not the best seats, and with all the problems others have mentioned. These are areas long standing supporters have always occupied, it's a bit more than "we like our seat".

It's not a question of whether "there are plenty of areas in the stadium for kids to sit", it's whether they're now actually made welcome by the club anywhere besides the Upper Lansdown (or the mostly sold out South Stand) - because the message from these new pricing differences is they are not. They should be in the Upper Lansdown.

And if that's really the way the club wants to go, for ****s sake why couldn't they decide that when the bloody thing was built. Let's just cut through all the endless debate and call this exactly what it is - the usual amateur, short-sighted season-to-season mis-management of reasonably simple business operations from people who appear to work at City in the absence of any real world commercial ability elsewhere. It would have been the simplest thing in the world to get the key principles of their pricing strategy nailed down when the stadium was being developed. Effective day one. But instead they treated all the areas the same and are now doing a very clumsy u-turn.

It's been the same for years.

About 4 new ticketing systems in 10 years. A new loyalty scheme every bloody season (now even ones they haven't yet thought up). It's like certain middle-management run the club with a blank sheet of paper every summer. No one seems capable of defining, implementing and maintaining a strategy that will last more than a season.

1 hour ago, Robin TBW said:

Also, the view up the top of Lansdown is great.

Yeah, and Jon Lansdown says there's lots of fun before, during and after the game, a specially adapted concourse, and some of the best views on offer.

All in all it's a bit of a mystery why it's cheaper then isn't it.........................

[Blagdon red]

4 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

how many people are taking part? And aren't the facilities outside the ground also owned by the club? As I've posted elsewhere, the whole "I'm out at 30... but coming back after a pint" seems a little ineffectual in the grand scheme of things. Out at 30 and not coming back for the rest of the match... now that has a point. Not renewing season tickets - that has a point. doing a proper noisy protest, that has a point. going on the pitch, even. But just skulking out early for a beer, I'm not sure what that can achieve. 

I'll be happy to eat my words if I'm proved wrong, but I can't help but feel this hasn't been thought out well! 

Expect noise! Plenty of noise!

[poland_exile]

2 minutes ago, Blagdon red said:

Expect noise! Plenty of noise!

I hope so @Blagdon red - I don't mean to come across as the prophet of doom, just questioning the method. good luck with it! 

[Blagdon red]

3 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

I hope so @Blagdon red - I don't mean to come across as the prophet of doom, just questioning the method. good luck with it! 

Understood and thanks. Given that the club banned the 'red card' idea, another idea for a visual protest was needed. As the SC&T, we felt that this should evolve organically from the fans and not be dictated by us. That's why our chair, deputy and others will be supporting the actions of S82 tomorrow.

[Wilksi]

7 minutes ago, Blagdon red said:

Understood and thanks. Given that the club banned the 'red card' idea, another idea for a visual protest was needed. As the SC&T, we felt that this should evolve organically from the fans and not be dictated by us. That's why our chair, deputy and others will be supporting the actions of S82 tomorrow.

it would get a lot more support and would have more weight in it, if the SC&T officially supported it and publicised it. It's great that the chair/deputy and other support it, then they should officaly support it.

[CyderInACan]

Instead of putting more money into BS coffers by buying from the concession stalls in the Fanzone, let's all just buy a load of cans from B&M