[East End Lad]

Whether you are against it or for it this is going to come up somewhere along the road I'm sure. Personally I would love to see 10% of the stadium avaliable for safe standing as I think that by 2011 safe standing will be back in this country.
What are your views?

[Taunton_City]

Would love it!! also please please have both behind goals home ends!!!!!!

[bristolred91]

yeah hopefully we stick the away fans in the corner like coventry.

[oftbc]

yeah hopefully we stick the away fans in the corner like coventry.

Don't know where you sat at Coventry but me and a few thousand other City fans' sat behind the goal. But yes I would liek to have both ends as home fans' only with the away fans' being shoved in a corner somewhere. Like it was for us at Norwich and Carlisle.

[Blagdon red]

Whether you are against it or for it this is going to come up somewhere along the road I'm sure. Personally I would love to see 10% of the stadium avaliable for safe standing as I think that by 2011 safe standing will be back in this country.
What are your views?

Yes, the timing might be right. It just needs someone like the Yanks in Liverpool or Mike Ashley at Newcastle to stick out their necks and say: "We acknowledge that some of our fans prefer to stand and will do so come what may, so we're going to make it safer to stand in our ground than it currently is and we're going to persuade our local authority to allow us to change the ground regs accordingly."

If one club leads the way, then by the time the new ground is built it might be possible here too.

[Barry]

Yes, the timing might be right. It just needs someone like the Yanks in Liverpool or Mike Ashley at Newcastle to stick out their necks and say: "We acknowledge that some of our fans prefer to stand and will do so come what may, so we're going to make it safer to stand in our ground than it currently is and we're going to persuade our local authority to allow us to change the ground regs accordingly."

If one club leads the way, then by the time the new ground is built it might be possible here too.

lets just hope there is someone willing enough to stick their neck out and lead the way

[old spot]

A section behind the goal could easily be designed into a new build for safe standing!!
The only trouble is, if it is kept shallow for safety reasons it might not generate the sort of atmosphere that people would like.
It may not be allowed to be very deep, to avoid the risk of a crush and instead of the atmosphere a deep block could create, be a bit like the stand at wolves, where different sections where singing different songs!!
Even the EAST END was like that a bit against rothrum at times, with the middle starting a different song to what the corner where singing.

[HZ25]

A section behind the goal could easily be designed into a new build for safe standing!!
The only trouble is, if it is kept shallow for safety reasons it might not generate the sort of atmosphere that people would like.
It may not be allowed to be very deep, to avoid the risk of a crush and instead of the atmosphere a deep block could create, be a bit like the stand at wolves, where different sections where singing different songs!!
Even the EAST END was like that a bit against rothrum at times, with the middle starting a different song to what the corner where singing.

I may be missing something here, but i thought standing (safe or not!) was actually not allowed...I'm sure the review of the Taylor report saw it decided that the all seater policy must be kept in force. On that basis i don't think this is going to come up at all...

Unless i'm wrong....?

[old spot]

I may be missing something here, but i thought standing (safe or not!) was actually not allowed...I'm sure the review of the Taylor report saw it decided that the all seater policy must be kept in force. On that basis i don't think this is going to come up at all...

Unless i'm wrong....?

That doesn't mean that we can't debate the pros and cons and campaign for what we would like!!!
Just because some politician says no now, doesn't mean they can't be persauded otherwise!!!

[HZ25]

That doesn't mean that we can't debate the pros and cons and campaign for what we would like!!!
Just because some politician says no now, doesn't mean they can't be persauded otherwise!!!

not saying you can't debate what you would like - free world and all that...my point being is that there was little point lobbying the club for something they have no control over. Now lobbying parliament....well that may work, but on the basis that they've reviewed recently on the basis of fan pressure and decided on no change, it would appear that it may be a fruitless effort.

Good luck if you try though.... if someone wants to begin a petition on the Ten Downing Street website, then i'd willingly sign.

[Barry]

I may be missing something here, but i thought standing (safe or not!) was actually not allowed...I'm sure the review of the Taylor report saw it decided that the all seater policy must be kept in force. On that basis i don't think this is going to come up at all...

Unless i'm wrong....?

you're right in some respects.
yes grounds do have to be all seater, but hte safe standing systems, like the ones shown in German grounds, remain all seater as there is still and individual seat designated to each person.

As far as i am aware, it is not a requirement of the taylor report that in all seater stadia that people must remain seated,as this has only become an issue in recent years.

what clubs, politicians, local authorities and fans should realise is that there will always be people who want to stand at football games, and introducing safe standing will be alot safer than people standing in traditional seated stands.

[Flaxbourton Red]

A section behind the goal could easily be designed into a new build for safe standing!!
The only trouble is, if it is kept shallow for safety reasons it might not generate the sort of atmosphere that people would like.
It may not be allowed to be very deep, to avoid the risk of a crush and instead of the atmosphere a deep block could create, be a bit like the stand at wolves, where different sections where singing different songs!!
Even the EAST END was like that a bit against rothrum at times, with the middle starting a different song to what the corner where singing.

i reckon the stand behind the goals could be designed with sections of seating that could be removed easily so as to allow safe standing once we get the green light from the next government

lets face it, this brown administration is on its arse

[Blagdon red]

For the avoidance of doubt, there is nothing in current legislation that prohibits the installation in English football stadia of this:



Nor does primary legislation prohibit this:



However, ground regulations formulated by the clubs in conjunction with local authorities, and guided by the Football Licensing Authority, do.

To allow standing in such areas, which would clearly be much, much safer than the standing that would otherwise go on behind low-backed seats in areas not designed for the purpose, requires a change in ground regs, not in the law.

PS - The ground shown here is the brand new stadium in Klagenfurt, Austria, built to UEFA specs for Euro 2008.

[HZ25]

For the avoidance of doubt, there is nothing in current legislation that prohibits the installation in English football stadia of this:



Nor does primary legislation prohibit this:



However, ground regulations formulated by the clubs in conjunction with local authorities, and guided by the Football Licensing Authority, do.

To allow standing in such areas, which would clearly be much, much safer than the standing that would otherwise go on behind low-backed seats in areas not designed for the purpose, requires a change in ground regs, not in the law.

PS - The ground shown here is the brand new stadium in Klagenfurt, Austria, built to UEFA specs for Euro 2008.

I gotta say though....that looks like the kinda seats that would make you want to stand! How uncomfortable do thye look?!? Also looks like it is still a case of one stands and behind have to stand as well....which is the problem with this sort of standing option and not a terrace.

From a personal point of view, because of back problems i prefer to sit, just because after a while my back is in two if i'm standing up for too long. But like i say, if someone wants to petition the relevant authorities for the return of terracing, then i'd gladly add my name to the list.

[Blagdon red]

Actually those seats are designed to be bolted in the 'up' position for league games and only dropped down for games played under UEFA regulations requiring 'seating'.

Seats like this are therefore only installed in areas specifically designated for standing. You would therefore not get a mix of people standing and sitting in the same area and fans such as yourself, who prefer to sit, would have the vast majority of the stadium (with more comfortable seats) to choose from, while those who prefer to stand would be able to do so in great safety - as shown in the pics - with their own handrail in front of every single standing position.

[HZ25]

Actually those seats are designed to be bolted in the 'up' position for league games and only dropped down for games played under UEFA regulations requiring 'seating'.

Seats like this are therefore only installed in areas specifically designated for standing. You would therefore not get a mix of people standing and sitting in the same area and fans such as yourself, who prefer to sit, would have the vast majority of the stadium (with more comfortable seats) to choose from, while those who prefer to stand would be able to do so in great safety - as shown in the pics - with their own handrail in front of every single standing position.

Then if anyone can force a change of mind from the FA, then let's go for it....It's a cracking solution.

[CiderMeUp]

I suppose by 2011 there may be a chance of some sort of safe standing returning which would be perfect timing for us.
If it ever was to happen then i wouldnt put away fans in the corner or out the way. I would have one end behind the Goal full of City & the other end 50/50 with away fans as the banter is what creates the atmosphere.

[bh_red]

I gotta say though....that looks like the kinda seats that would make you want to stand! How uncomfortable do thye look?!? Also looks like it is still a case of one stands and behind have to stand as well....which is the problem with this sort of standing option and not a terrace.

From a personal point of view, because of back problems i prefer to sit, just because after a while my back is in two if i'm standing up for too long. But like i say, if someone wants to petition the relevant authorities for the return of terracing, then i'd gladly add my name to the list.

tottally agree! that looks digusting!

couldn't bare being sat in seats like that hardly built for comfort.

[HZ25]

I suppose by 2011 there may be a chance of some sort of safe standing returning which would be perfect timing for us.
If it ever was to happen then i wouldnt put away fans in the corner or out the way. I would have one end behind the Goal full of City & the other end 50/50 with away fans as the banter is what creates the atmosphere.

By 2011 the may well be a chance...unfortunately that would be too late. Building is hoped to begin in just over a year, so the reversal would have to happen before building commences due to the plans etc.

[Blagdon red]

tottally agree! that looks digusting!

couldn't bare being sat in seats like that hardly built for comfort.

That's just the point - they're not really built for sitting on (except on the odd occasion when UEFA rules insist on it). These seats are only installed in areas of the ground designated for standing and (in German and Austrian grounds) spend most of their life bolted in the 'up' position to leave plenty of room to safely stand behind the rail.

In a 30,000 stadium you might, for instance, have an area for, say, 3,000 fans behind one of the goals equipped like this. The rest of the ground would have 'normal' seats, including padded ones in the premier areas.

In other words, there would be something for everyone!

[chalky]

A section behind the goal could easily be designed into a new build for safe standing!!
The only trouble is, if it is kept shallow for safety reasons it might not generate the sort of atmosphere that people would like.
It may not be allowed to be very deep, to avoid the risk of a crush and instead of the atmosphere a deep block could create, be a bit like the stand at wolves, where different sections where singing different songs!!
Even the EAST END was like that a bit against rothrum at times, with the middle starting a different song to what the corner where singing.

Firstly, the SS model would provide a barrier that would seperate every row so the crushing you mentioned would never occur.
Secondly, we could have capos standing in front of every other block or maybe just one for the whole area. This would ensure everybody is singing the same song at the same time.

[matalan12]

Whether you are against it or for it this is going to come up somewhere along the road I'm sure. Personally I would love to see 10% of the stadium avaliable for safe standing as I think that by 2011 safe standing will be back in this country.
What are your views?

they should purpose build the stadium so that one of the ends is in the east! make that stand behind the goal and have a brand new east end!

safe standing, normal seats where we are allow to stand, or heaven forbid a terraced end; whatever!

that would be so awesome!

thinking about it, the new stadium could be the most perfect ground for everyone, where everybodys happy

they should name all four stands the same as what they are now, atyeo dolman williams and east end.

the atyeo could be the away end
the williams could be the 'posh' stand, the one with all the boxes and padded seats
the dolman could be where all those who want to have the best view and watch the game could go, as well as a family section
and then we could have the east end where, if you go in there, expect to have the person in front of you stood up and singing all game long!

sounds like heaven...

This post has been edited by matalan31: 05 December 2007 - 03:54 PM

[054123]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7129319.stm

Anyone else see the above?

Could be the first in giving the vast majority of fans what they want.

Who knows, by 2011, safe standing could be run of the mill stuff!

[Barry]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7129319.stm

Anyone else see the above?

Could be the first in giving the vast majority of fans what they want.

Who knows, by 2011, safe standing could be run of the mill stuff!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6458843.stm

this one doesn't make quite as good reading, with there being to many references to terracing........ even the bloody title is ridiculous!
The guy they interviewed from the FLA seems to have either been given the wrong impression about the idea of safe standing, or not understand it, thinking it is more related to terracing.

This post has been edited by Barry: 05 December 2007 - 06:01 PM

[chalky]

"In the future we are always ready, together with Fifa, to look at the options but at the moment we feel sitting is a much better way to watch football," added Uefa communications director William Gaillard.

Great I'm glad he prefers to sit. I and many others don't so could we be allowed to stand as we wish and he be allowed to sit as he wishes!
It's like saying I prefer to stand so everyone must always do the same! What the hell!

[Hillzider]

Interesting article from todays Gaurdian.



Uefa is to consider possible exceptions to its ban on standing areas at stadiums. The European governing body's president, Michel Platini, yesterday met fans from across the continent, with the Germans putting forward a case for allowing safe standing areas. William Gaillard, the communications director and Platini's special adviser, said the ban still applied but Uefa was prepared to look at new designs.

"There are some stadia in Germany that have standing areas which the authorities say are perfectly safe," he said. "These are nothing like the old terraces and it can be argued that they are much safer than having fans standing in seated areas as often happens. We have told the fans that the regulations we have now still apply but that we are open to dialogue and would look at any new designs."

[bringbacktherobin]

HZ25, noone is going to force you to stand. Noone is wanting a whole ground of standing.

I beleive in the new ground there should be one end where all the singers can go and stand with the Klagenfurt style of standing.

That way anyone that doesnt want to stand can go to the other 3 stands, and people that want to stand will be able to go to the end with the standing.

Everyone wins, everyone is happy.

[old_man_terry]

Whether you are against it or for it this is going to come up somewhere along the road I'm sure. Personally I would love to see 10% of the stadium avaliable for safe standing as I think that by 2011 safe standing will be back in this country.
What are your views?

2011, maybe, but will it be availble when the club is actually drawing up plans in 2009? UNLIKELY

even if it did, 10%!!!!! well over the top, 5% max at each end of the ground, something like 3% of total capacity for home fans, 2% for away

[Nibor]

2011, maybe, but will it be availble when the club is actually drawing up plans in 2009? UNLIKELY

even if it did, 10%!!!!! well over the top, 5% max at each end of the ground, something like 3% of total capacity for home fans, 2% for away

If the stadium was tiered, lower tiers behind the goals would probably work out around 10% of the capacity and I think that would be about right for the percentage of fans that would like to use that sort of area. I reckon the ends would be packed if that were done.

[Flaxbourton Red]

2011, maybe, but will it be availble when the club is actually drawing up plans in 2009? UNLIKELY

even if it did, 10%!!!!! well over the top, 5% max at each end of the ground, something like 3% of total capacity for home fans, 2% for away

nice to see you plucking figures out of the thin air

great forward thinking

[chalky]

How on earth have you come up with those figures? 3% of the new stadium would be less than a thousand, what if 2 thousand wanted to stand? You you be denying those the choice? Isn't that what SS areas are all about, choice?

[bristolrich]

Might be me being Mr. Thicko, but don't clubs like Rovers have standing sections (terraced) so whats wrong with having terraced areas if its what the fans/club want? I personally would love to see terraced areas (especially if ticket prices went down as well....)

[chalky]

Following on from the Taylor Report after hillsborough it is law that all football stadiums in Division 1 and 2 much be all seaters. The scum are in the third...