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If Villa's losses are as suggested, you couldn't imagine how desperate I am for the EFL to act now, stop just talking the talk, get their fingers out of their collective arses and apply a points deduction to take them out of the play off positions. This is not about being vindictive to a particular club, or that such action might benefit us, but because without hitting clubs hard ffp will be a farce and the EFL will effectively be condoning clubs cheating to gain an advantage over every other club. A club in Villa's position being properly punished might just be the catalyst for ffp to do the job for which it was intended as other clubs will realise that it is not worth the risk.

You couldn’t imagine how desperate I am for Villa to ****-up in the play-offs.

That is strange - but proves once again that they’d prefer us to fail than them to succeed ....

Agree- it's beyond a joke. Obscene sums it up to a tee! The only workarounds I can think of are- ones that maybe classed as legit that is: Grealish sale pre-arranged, regardless of promotion- maybe that could be shifted into accounts for this year for £25m or so. Say arranged in Feb, taking effect as soon as window opens. Still pretty dubious though- if they'd wanted that they could legitimately have sold him for £25m in Jan and offered to let him continue to kick on for half a season of continued development on a loan back. Dicy but legit. Certainly not unheard of. OR If somehow they get a large sum as the final tranche of HS2 Compensation- HS2 compensation seems like it's gone nowhere fast but you never know- if they got say £25m this season that'd get them just over the line. The £3m I assume was HS2 but it still seems a bit up in the air. Beyond that? 21 point deduction and embargo seems in order I'd say, based on the formula. Or 12 points at the bare minimum, would have to look up the formula in full again. £15m could be possible, if Aston Villa really want to go for it on youth development as part of a new strategy then it's possible to believe it was legit- still a bit of a stretch though IMO. Then again, there is an argument that says HS2 compensation shouldn't count towards FFP. Because if training ground expenditure etc doesn't, why should income from the admittedly unfortunate Bodymoor Heath HS2 thing count as FFP income? Club income yes...but not FFP. Plus wow look at this... http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2021424-prominent-businessman-takes-top-hs2-role Theoretical yes, but a potential Conflict of interest much?? Former Aston Villa chairman takes key role in HS2 in that region...they have issues with FFP, they require compensation for Bodymoor Heath- wonder if he will try to fast-track or inflate it..nah people wouldn't do such things. ?

So today’s gift....... http://gaschat.co.uk/thread/14283/sainsburys-shame?page=1 I thought this one from a Sag named kruger... exactly how I feel, I am a lorry driver and I am Ltd company, I keep getting asked to drive for them and I say no everytime, I'd rather have no work than work for them not that I'm ever out of work. Fvck me!! Bitter much? ??

I reckon he was ‘grab’ !!! ??

:laugh:, so correct there! an old schoolmate of mine posted a picture of himself with Bruce Bannister ( don't know which one out of Smash n Grab he was) on his Facebook just yesterday :laugh:

All the gas I know never mention 1990 which I find weird. They bang on about 82 but 1990 was the one time they really had us over . Idiots

A bloke I know who is a gashead got a free ticket in the away end for the Man.City game last season. His words "it was like being back in the 70s in the Atyeo stand" I'll just leave it there as my response was pretty obvious.

You are not wrong! On more than one occasion, the ones I know have waxed lyrical about Watney Cup 1972, ‘Smash & Grab’ and Div 3 title 1990 after a few Doombars in the pub on a Friday night - is that really all they’ve got?! Well, yeah, it is.....

Well done Bristol, a great achievement. Can they get top six?

That's true. Probably a better example. I suppose my Bolton v Aston Villa example was to highlight that a club can have one but not the other- but Bolton's case was/is pretty unusual. FFP didn't save them, in fact it is highly likely that they didn't breach it in this cycle...

After batting for nigh on two hours, I'm not surprised.

Think that might be news to the EFL though Dave!

Silly boy Alex Hales

I don't want to tempt fate, but I am watching intrigued as to who will get their Century first. The outfield must still be damp, so their timing must be fantastic given the speed the ball is reaching the boundary - on those occasions when they don't just choose to go over the boundary. 7 sixes so far. Still working hard, then.

Derby's Accountant has the books prepared, organised and ready for inspection. Can't imagine why Gibson declined the offer!

Totally agree about not being vindictive. The EFL brought in projected accounts to deal with exactly the scenario Villa are in - breaking the rules and going for promotion. You could also argue that Birmingham's points deduction should’ve been last season. Barnsley would’ve stayed up. Or if they’d started 18/19 with 9 points deduction and been in relegation trouble at Xmas, might Adams have wanted to go then? The EFL have had a real missed opportunity here.

All's Good, then You should be able to get some work done ?.

And Bailey Wright would get a ban.

If they use the surveyor that valued Derby's ground they'd probably bring in £50m!

Promotion denied would be the only fair solution of course. The interesting thing about the Grealish sale of course is that just say they sell and backdate, stay down- that helps to alleviate the rolling period to this season, but then leaves them with an enormous hole...losing well I dread to think how much! Parachute payments gone albeit wages down- having to find a whole new set of profits on players just to stay compliant...straight- hard not soft- embargo and big deduction would surely be about right? This Swiss Ramble Graphic shows just how tight a spot! It would mean they could lose only £4m next season in this scenario plus FFP allowable exclusions. Let's assume they backdate a Grealish sale of £25m. Means they lose £35m in 2 years and then the next year in FFP terms can only lose, £4m...meanwhile Parachute Payments fall by £17m. Factor out the Grealish sale too. Means they need to find £52m from somewhere just to comply for the 3 seasons to May 2020.

So tonight is the night we could celebrate safety if Newcastle lose v. Saints

No - when it comes to ffp, and having the wool pulled over your eyes by clubs, that honour goes to the EFL.

Obviously a Ted

Even so, some of them are actually quite astute - there being Sainsburys

You’re not being stupid....but however Derby structure their various businesses they will cover off / include match day income. No real difference to City, where Ashton Gate Ltd own the ground.

All we can really hope for now is that neither Villa or Derby get promoted via the play-offs. None of the top 4 are in danger of breaching FFP, nor are we, so I hope the final promotion place comes from within the 5 (top 4 and us). We will then get to see how the extent of Villa and Derby’s projected accounts manifest into actual accounts over the summer (even if we don’t see them published ourselves til much later). Imagine for a second the hypothetical situation that Villa would bust the limits, but included the projected selling of Grealish for £25m before the end of their accounting year (again lets keep this hypothetical) to show intention to the EFL to not take the piss out of FFP. You then get several scenarios and considerations of Villa not going up: they do in fact sell Grealish for £25m and they fall into line within the 3 year rolling period to 18/19 season. Sounds fine, but EFL need to decide whether in the spirit of FFP. [What is to stop any team spending £200m to buy promotion, but sell those players if they don’t go up?] However, the EFL should also be on guard that the next 3 year rolling period includes huge losses from the first two seasons, that requires more cost cutting than selling one player. They would need to go on regular monitoring and embargo of some sort. they sell Grealish, but buying clubs know Villa are desperate and only stump up £15m. Villa now in breach for 3 year rolling period to 18/19 season. Straight embargo and points deduction to start 19/20 season based on scale set in Brum points deduction. Same as 1. Re next 3 year rolling period. they don’t sell Grealish. I dread to think, maximum punishment possible??? In the above scenarios, Grealish has been used as their security. What if they won promotion through the play-offs? they still have to sell Grealish for £25m. Toughski Shitski! They now fall into a Prem guidelines....still seems outside the spirit of FFP imho Promotion denied promotion denied I just can’t see 2 & 3 above happening. None of the first 4 of the 6 scenarios really satisfy the spirit of FFP. They’ve taken a gamble of over-spending, knowing that punishment can’t really take place within the season they’ve taken the gamble in. Anyone any bright ideas.

You truly are the 'Font' of all knowledge Bert

Cauley Woodrow sending them down in a 15ers shirt. That's the dream.

If only Rovers had previous form for being relegated after a ridiculous and unrealistic set of results... oh wait

When Lansdown the 'ted, Sells you shit from his shed; That's the Rovers.