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  1. Good morning everyone, to the magnificent diaspora of Bristol City fans around the world especially to those who are out in the dark, out of any possibility of connecting to this brilliant football forum. I say that because, perhaps unbeknownst to most of you, OTIB is not available in South East Asia. From the northern most reaches of Kachin, Burma to the southern tip of Timor, Indonesia and from the western coast of Aceh in Indonesia to the eastern border of Western New Guinea. 1.7 million square miles, 11 countries and 641 million people or about 10% of the world's population. Football's best forum does not have a voice, it is silent. Pondering that for a moment? I was out in the cold for 3 months. Admittedly i have been extraordinarily busy in that time and Pegs handled these match days admirably well and i was grateful; this is a broad forum, after all and anyone could have done a match day whenever they wanted but Pegs did so and kept at it so thank you Pegs. So, with a VPN hooked up that enables me to access this forum i can, at least today, have a go at the match day thread. Before I do one final note on this issue. Why is OTIB's host unable to provide access unhindered around the world? This is a clarion call. Please fix it because there are many people who want to access the excellent forum. So, on to today. I always wanted to understand what happened to Luton Town. A club that fell rather quickly in the earlier part of this millennium. Many of you may be Guardian readers and recall an article last year. I apologise to you if the story is all too familiar but perhaps to many others, like me, we only know parts of the story. I am trusting the investigative and journalistic provenance in this story which I have condensed, reworded and added to. It begins when Roy Kinnear and his assistant Mick Harford were unceremoniously sacked by the newly incoming owner of the club. This was in the context of Kinnear and Harford having taken over the managerial reins in 2001 when Luton had just fallen to the 4th tier, steering them to promotion in their first season and finishing the following, 2002/3, in a respectable 9th. A year before, however, saw ITV pull out of sponsoring the Football League and Luton were reportedly losing half a million pounds a month. At the end of the season owner Mike Watson-Challis sold the club to an unknown consortium for £4. In steps John Gurney who professes to front an international group of investors here to save Luton Town Football Club. The names of these investors, however, never surfaced. From the off it was reasonably clear to even the least interested Luton fan that this man was not going to be orthodox. He suggested changing the name of the club to London Luton FC to match the airport. He suggested a merger with Milton Keynes bound Wimbledon and he would build a 70,000 all seater stadium next to Junction 10 of the M1 and on stilts with a formula 1 circuit wrapping itself around it. What did Kinnear and Harford make of all this? They would not wait long to find out because three days in they were both unceremoniously fired via a letter in the post. Harford said at the time “I think it is the saddest day in the club’s history”. “What have I done to be fired in such a cold and callous manner?”. Indeed we can all warrant Harford a significant pat on the back and admiration for returning last season and steering them to promotion in order to play us today. But this story gets better or rather worse for Luton’s faithful. Gurney had originally wanted to appoint Terry Fenwick who’s most recent experience at management was a 7 match winless streak at the Cobblers. The irate fans at Kenilworth Road prompted the new chairman, Roger Terrell, and new Vice Chairman, Lee Power, to resign before they started by greeting them with a, shall we say, lack of respect on entering the ground. Gurney was fast losing his supporters and they were boycotting the club. His next move became known as ‘Manager Idol’ and took its inspiration from Pop Idol. Having already failed to lure Kinnear and Harford back to the club he set about writing up a manager shortlist and invited fans to text in their votes for one of Fenwick, Kinnear, Nigel Clough, Steve Cotterill, Mike Newell, Stuart Pearce, Gardner Speirs (who?) and Gudjon Thordarson. On Monday June 16th, 2003 the first set of results were announced and the list whittled down to three: Kinnear (polling around 70% even though he had previously said no to coming back), Cotterill, recently sacked by Sunderland, and Newell, who had most recently had a mixed time at Hartlepool. The final decision would be split between five votes: players, shareholders, season ticket holders, the board and the general public. The premium lines – 50p per call – were opened. They closed at midday on Monday 23 June. A press conference for the unveiling was scheduled at 1pm ... the same day. In the meantime, Gurney set about attempting to agree terms with the shortlisted trio. It was all predictably chaotic. Gurney initially revealed he had agreed terms with Kinnear to return should he win, then admitted he had been unable to contact the former manager all week. No matter. “We’ve two excellent candidates in Steve and Mike Newell,” Gurney cheered. But the day before the polls closed, Cotterill threw a spanner in the works. “I had a very good meeting with Mr Gurney,” he said, “and I was very flattered to be offered the job from 70 candidates, but I just think it was the right club at the wrong time.” Handily, filmmakers from the long-running BBC documentary series Trouble At The Top were given behind-the-scenes access for the big day. The resulting half-hour programme, aired a year later, really has to be seen to be believed. With media already gathering at the ground, a fresh-faced “I know that sounds sexist but I am sexist” Newell arrived at Kenilworth Road. There was no sign of Cotterill or Kinnear, who with the seconds ticking down towards midday still led the public phone poll. “There’s all sorts of chaos,” said Gurney, suggesting there has been some sort of technical problem. Then came an unbelievable – in a very literal sense – late swing towards Newell in the general public vote. He, conveniently, won it by just four votes. Players and season-ticket holders had apparently voted for Kinnear, shareholders and the general public (thanks to that late swing) for Newell. And so it was down to the board. “We will appoint Mike Newell regardless of the telephone poll,” Gurney told the documentary team. “For two reasons: one is we failed to agree terms with Joe Kinnear, Steve Cotterill is not here and Mike is. And we said whoever was available and we agreed terms with by 1pm today would be the new manager, so Mike is the new manager.” Clear as mud. Newell looks thoroughly bemused throughout the documentary but had an initially successful spell at the club, guiding them to promotion in 2004-05 and 10th in the Championship the following season (a position that remains their highest since 1992) And Gurney? At the end of July the club’s supporters trust, having denied Gurney revenue with a boycott of season tickets, ingeniously bought the club’s debt from Watson-Challis and placed it into administration, forcing Gurney out. “If they expect me to walk away from Luton with nothing, I’ll make very sure there’s nothing to walk away from,” he growled. After a few downs, three relegations in a row and five years in the Conference from 2009 after starting the previous season with a 30-point penalty, 10 for irregular payments to agents, 20 for failing to come out of administration with a CVA agreement Luton are back in the Championship. And Gurney was declared bankrupt in 2008. Mind you, its not all so rosy for Luton; only yesterday, October 18th, 2019, Capital & Regional, which owns a shopping mall in the town objected to the competition Luton’s new mixed use development at Newlands Park would bring denouncing the planning approval as unlawful and will be taking the club to court. And where is Newlands Park? Junction 10 of the M1. That said this development will not house the new stadium which the club wants to build in the town itself; Newlands will fund the new stadium. Luton Town do not just blame Gurney though; they also blame the FA for deducting all those points and that is an official club position too with a sanctioned banner ‘Betrayed by the FA” often seen at their matches. That of course, is another story for another time. Clearly a new stadium is paramount for a club that currently resides in the worst one in the Championship and many would argue is really not fit for purpose nor sustainable in the second tier of English football. It certainly is a tight old ground. I wish them well in their many more battles to come, just not today. Enjoy the game folks.
    34 points
  2. There’s a massive difference between being critical of a religion an saying all people of that faith should be deported, calling the religion a ‘disease’ and describing Islam as ‘harmful to our way of life’. He’s a racist ***** and not someone who I want to see a section of our fan base condoning
    19 points
  3. Can’t believe some people on here are still trying to say that singing ‘One Tommy Robinson’ to a family of Asians sat down trying to watch a football match, should be in any way justified.
    15 points
  4. Tommy Robinson is a ********. Some will agree with his views, others won’t. That’s entirely a matter of choice. But football fans singing it is totally irrelevant to the game and whoever did so is, in my own opinion, a ******** too. Singing Tommy Robinson’s name is, in and of itself, not racist. However, those singing it would be totally aware of the context in which they were singing it - which is of a racial content. Therefore, those singing it are idiots and yes, racist. Anyone trying to defend these idiots is, well....enough said.
    12 points
  5. Tommy Robinson is a racist. Chanting England England at a Asian family in the box is racist. Add all the language of people like using the P word.
    10 points
  6. people don't like it because tommy Robinson reports on the truth unlike the news that try to hide facts,some of you should walk down certain roads in luton ,you may change your mind with your views instead of being stuck up your politically correct bottoms,and know im not racist but yes I am a proud white English man who is proud of my country and my heritage.
    10 points
  7. Funnily enough i’m 20 and go to university, i just don’t believe what the left media outlets have to say
    8 points
  8. I object to the implication that working class people are uneducated or that they all share your views on race
    8 points
  9. No offence but you are just thick, and so are the people who have liked your post.
    7 points
  10. Embarrassing. How can any team with genuine promotion ambitions lose 3 - 0 to Luton. Just shows we are a mid table league one team punching above our weight.
    7 points
  11. It's not nothing by comparison if that's what you mean. Racism is racism, full stop. If what has been written is true by our fans today, then that's ******* embarrassing. What a bunch of uneducated chav. Hope those people get found and shafted by the law and they can **** off out of our club. No excuses for it. End of.
    7 points
  12. and our smallest striker heads against post. Fam isn't a target man, despite being 6'2" / 6'3". Don't need height, need movement!!
    7 points
  13. How anyone can criticise Rowe is beyond me. Think he has done a really good job all things considered. One of the surprises of the season for me.
    7 points
  14. Funny how life works, was my grandmas funeral yesterday, she moved here from Dundalk in the 60s, half her family went to Luton, other lot came to Mendip, so today a Luton v City game is very fitting
    7 points
  15. Condensed Version Luton Town: Thanks Peg
    7 points
  16. Hope your parents kept the receipt on your university fees.......need a refund.
    6 points
  17. I do hope you warned them you were coming beforehand you miserable jar of brown piss.
    6 points
  18. I'm not racist but......I'm a proud white English man. Absolute bell end....just say proud English man.
    6 points
  19. (Wasn’t at the game) but you can’t call him racist because he’s critical of a certain religion. You my friend have bought into what the media feed you.
    6 points
  20. That tommy Robinson chant made me ashamed to be a city fan, disgusting. Can’t believe some of our fans stooped to the level of condoning racism, really sad
    6 points
  21. Been riding our luck for weeks with indifferent performances caught up.with us today
    6 points
  22. Johnson can't organise a proper 11 and is too clever by half with his brain-scrambling substitutions. Then, when it goes wrong, he tinkers with his own mess to add to the confusion. Add in a tombola team selection for the next match, and round we go again!!!
    6 points
  23. They could, but there is no evidence to suggest Tommy Robinson has ever been racist, honestly there is nothing online to suggest he’s ever been prejudice to any race. He criticises a religion because of what he’s experienced when growing up in Luton and they are some pretty horrific things. If you watched his Oxford University speech (it’s on youtube), maybe you’d see a different perspective on certain issues that need addressing.
    5 points
  24. Depressing enough result without having to hear our very own fans chanting this utter little wrong-uns name .city were always anti racist back in the day ,there are some rovers skinheads who sold the bulldog outside the tote end who could confirm this and they weren’t even playing us that day .f.... tiny tommy and f.... racism
    5 points
  25. Robinson is a knob head. But criticising an ideology isn't racist. We've made up a word for this....I believe it's 'islamaphobic' Robinson is a ****, but let's not kid ourselves and believe that integration with Islam is proving to be successful in this country. It's not Anyway....**** all that. This is a football page....back to chatting about how shit we were today
    5 points
  26. Hows chants of oh tomy robinson racist? And singing England england england. When did that become racist you moron
    5 points
  27. Mid October and only our second loss. Cue otib implosion
    5 points
  28. Chants of Oh Tommy Robinson, and chants of England (towards an Asian family in a box). Embarrassing by some City fans. Frankly disgusting and I’m ashamed.
    5 points
  29. Quite a few others to look at today before you look at TR. "just about good enough" is v.harsh....has he let us down this season? Nope. Won his battles, been solid enough defensively. We haven't kept the ball well enough / long enough to get him forward today... ....but who was it who almost put us 1-0 up from 20 yards early on? Midfield haven't functioned today. Sometimes you might have to accept you have blinkers on re TR. Is he the most exciting LB/LWB we've ever had? Nope, but he has been the epitome of consistency this season, in an unfamiliar position.
    5 points
  30. To catch a bird anywhere is easy if you or, in your case, they are not too fussy
    5 points
  31. Is the Championship easier to stomach when it's Luton free?
    5 points
  32. And we wonder why people think people from round these parts are inbred. Ashamed to be associated with the cretins at the game today and every last w**k sock who's defending them on this thread.
    4 points
  33. What are you called if you hate all religions? I'm one of those.
    4 points
  34. You can be highly educated and work in cutting-edge technology and be working class. @RedM makes clear a large number of today's travelling City fans feel (like me) that "small town in Asia" isn't something we should be singing. It's totally cringeworthy. If you don't, we'll agree to differ.
    4 points
  35. You clearly choose to listen to the “facts” that you agree with and refuse to consider any other viewpoints, so I don’t feel there’s any purpose discussing the issue with you.
    4 points
  36. Fair enough. Not my intention to get into a big issue here. Luton is a bit of a dump, but then, I don't think it's ever been nice. See also Bedford. FWIW I think chanting approvingly the name of a prominent Luton fan is not in itself racist, but is pretty moronic. Chanting "small town in Asia" though crosses a line for me because of the implication that somehow Asians are a horrible thing to have in your town. It's an old chant, and I've heard it for years, but I think society's different now. We've moved on. It's unacceptable, and I wish our fans would knock it on the head and think of something cleverer. I'm sure it's not a majority who do it however.
    4 points
  37. I can, because it happens every single time it's raised as an issue.
    4 points
  38. 22+ different players. 2 different managers. Most fans different too. No previous Kenilworth Road game had any bearing on today.
    4 points
  39. Schooled by a team who only came up this year. Sorry state of affairs really. And to be fair, a thrashing has been on the cards for a long time.
    4 points
  40. If today’s chants of There’s only one Tommy Robinson at Luton are anything to go by YES. Embarrassing
    4 points
  41. Our results have been better than our performances. This was coming. We need players back and soon.
    4 points
  42. We been playing poorly for a few matches now. Got away with it but not today.
    4 points
  43. This fella? Well I never knew that. Dad, I fink I got it wrong again!
    4 points
  44. @havanatopia glad to have you back old bean. We've all missed you.
    4 points
  45. wicket looks green, have a bowl first.
    3 points
  46. HI Havan! Nice to have you back, although Peg did a very good job and I thank her for her good work, anyway onward and upwards! Hopefully today we will carry on with our excellent away record and get three points, perhaps our new Spanish striker will make a sub debut. So Come On You Red's!
    3 points
  47. Just arriving at Knock airport hoping that the Ryanair flight to Luton is not delayed
    3 points
  48. @havanatopia Looks like post nuptial novelty has at last worn off and you need something else to fill the time on a Saturday morning. Good to have you back, but thanks to Peg for filling the breach while you're been otherwise occupied.
    3 points
  49. They must be gutted that their favourite Rugby team lost to Bristol tonight.
    3 points
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