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Apparently our hands are tied by legal and insurance matters, I wish we had paid up but obv the club have been told not to as this could make us liable for a far greater claim by Salas family for starters. Besides which, it was an agent who was employed by Nantes who put him in that terrible flight, not the club, who had arranged a scheduled one from Paris to London. It’s a horrible murky world of football transfers and agents, makes me puke.

He`d fellate his dad, if he had the faintest clue who he was.

He’s gone mental. ”I meant if all things being equal like if we get promoted this season” They’d still be smaller than all those other teams ? “or how many fans we’d take to a big game IE Prem League team in the cup, Wembley etc” Yeah because no other team takes large followings to Wembley or Man Utd in the cup do they? ? You don’t gauge the size of your support, home or away, based on those games FFS. Those day-trippers won’t be there when you’re at home to MK Dons on a cold Tuesday night. Then he writes a shit load of waffle about nothing finishing off with a bizarre, lengthy, boring story from the 80s where, apparently, we took a pasting off someone. Ladies and Gentlemen...the standard Gashead.

I mentioned way back in this thread that 'Demand' is simply the French word for ask and bears none of the aggressive connotations the same word holds in the English language. I seem to recall also that I mentioned it is standard practice in France to formalise a request for payment, frequently by means of a 'recorded delivery' letter, thus simplifying any 'demand' for interest in the event of a delayed settlement.

You agreed terms and exchanged contracts on the Friday. Once filed UEFA's diligence team spotted both yourselves and Nantes were seeking not to include agent payment fees in the agreed form and thus that element of the contract was requested to be revised into the correct form which was due to be signed once Sala returned to Cardiff. You hired the private plane to bring him over for his medical and offered to take him to the match Saturday. Sala wished to return to Nantes to say his goodbyes over the weekend prior to being required to report for training on the Tuesday. As he was your player Cardiff offered Sala a fly-be ticket Cardiff to Paris but to return for the Tuesday it required him routing Paris to London on the Monday. As Paris/Nantes is around a 4 hour drive this would have left little time for him in Nantes, hence he opted for a private, direct flight that he paid for. Cardiff should have, but didn't, undertake due diligence to show liability cover was in place for the transport their employee had booked. That's why although Sala would have been covered by Cardiff's insurance for approved forms of transport he wasn't covered for this direct, non-commercial charter. There's no doubt had Sala returned the revised agents fee amendment would have been signed, so for Cardiff to argue that element 'wasn't signed' and thus negates the contract is beneath the lowest of the low. That has nothing to do with insurance or liability. Cardiff agreed, had every intent and that constitutes a contract and you owe Nantes for the player you purchased from them.

Wow. I know the majority of the Fewers are thick but this one takes the biscuit! Even his own are taking the piss ? The rant in all its glory.....

Does it say under `Father`s Name` on his birth certificate `Some soldiers`?

On the insurance side of things, if Cardiff had travel insurance for their employees then this would strictly be for business purposes only. I’m sure the insurer would state that a flight to see friends and family would not be construed as ‘business’ purposes. With Life insurance, well in a previous workplace of mine I used to look after a number of Premier League clubs Group Life insurance policies. Generally the cover was £2m, some were a bit higher at £4m. This was a few years ago so the cover levels may well have increased but certainly not to the tune of the £15m fee. The cover on the policy would not have had to be notified and agreed by the insurer, the way it worked was that any ‘new entrants’ are covered immediately upon joining the club (the admin gets done later, but cover is in place on day 1). So the insurer is liable as long as he was a Cardiff player. I guess that is what they’re arguing over, ie whether he was legally an employee of Cardiff on his date of death. Likewise I also looked after the PFA’s life insurance arrangement. So if Sala had been registered with the PFA prior to his date of death he’d also be covered for up to £2m with them.

Very soon after the crash Cardiff leaked to the press that Nantes had "demanded" the first instalment of the transfer fee, accusing the French club of being insensitive in view of the timing and making Nantes appear the aggressive bad boys from a financial standpoint. I think Im right in saying that it subsequently turned out that all Nantes had done was to issue a form of invoice in resect of the first instalment - a pretty standard procedure. At the same time Cardiff mentioned that they just wanted their solicitor to check that "everything was in order". At that time my first thought was that they were looking for anything that would enable them to get out of paying for a player , whose untimely death meant he had no value to them. Subsequent events seem to confirm that initial suspicion. I am sure that Cardiff have been acting on advice given by their lawyers and insurers, but sometimes, and this might be one of those occasions, it would be good if the owner had just said we need to do the right thing, even though it might not be the best thing financially.

You've conflated a number of distinct legal issues. The prime issue discussed here is whether Cardiff had entered into contract with Nantes for Sala's services. It seems pretty clear they had, hence owe Nantes. Whether Cardiff insured the player's contract, life or travel is a matter for them and I suspect such insurances differ. I understand Cardiff hold generic travel insurance for all their employees (not specific individuals) whilst on official business. Could be Sala's personal injury, life or contract cover wouldn't commence until UEFA had ratified the deal, but that would be Cardiff's risk and is partly of their own making in the way they attempted to misdirect agents fees. I rather hope Cardiff are hoist by their own petard. That by arguing he wasn't their player (despite having contracted for him) insurers who decline 'agreed' cover on the basis the revised contract wasn't signed argue Cardiff had no intention of enacting the insurance and therefore no cover was in place.....

Who’s also his sister.

Is it really though? He either was a Cardiff player or he wasnt? If he hadnt tragically died along with the pilot in that plane, would Cardiff have paid the money or would they had been holding out out they are now? That to me, paints the true picture.

With the greatest of respect, as much as I love a good Cardiff bashing, the entire affair is clearly considerably more complex than that.

http://democracy.plymouth.gov.uk/documents/s31655/Plymouth Argyle Market Value Report.pdf I found this. Now the only problem is that it was from 8 years ago and there are many variables of couirse. Not even read it myself yet but @Davefevs @Coppello @CyderInACan @downendcity to name a few might be interested! Seems to be about market valuation of Home Park- wonder what lessons there are for the EFL when assessing the deals over the last 2 seasons. Good template potentially! EDIT: Report was written/dated October 2011 but the actual transaction may have gone back further. Further digging suggests that £10.4m as of October 2008 was what it was valued at.

I dunno mate. I know plenty of Sags in ‘real life’ and I’ve heard this level of delusion regularly, certainly more often than anything level headed that might be posted in response to that whopper on their forum. Not saying that there aren’t sensible Gasheads out there, just that I know more who are just like ‘craggo’

Dachshund?

Seen this debated many times. Due to their massive support and having exposure to the top flight perks, they would have been able to consolidate as a major prem league team. However this lunatic is not saying this and how his rant has any relevance to Bristol Rovers being bigger than several championship teams, I have no idea!

Ah, Yes. I remember this story. ????

All I’ll say is that it certainly was a bit lively after the game?

Has Jordan Tansley become a sag?

In case you were in any doubt...

In all fairness, why should there be a 'settlement'? Cardiff agreed to buy a player for X amount. The fact he didn't get to play a game for them due to tragic circumstances is neither here nor there. They agreed a fee, they now need to pay it. If I was the owner of the selling club, no way would I agree to anything less than what was agreed. Edit - and if anything, I'd look to sue them for withholding funds owed to them!

That's got to be one of ours on a mission surely? Come on, own up, who was it? Top shit housing BTW!

He is an habitual Consulate user about to be sectioned under the menthol health act.

Cardiff Vile club Vile fans Vile manager Vile owners

Massive understatement. They come out of this absolutely stinking of shit. Disgusting what they're doing to try and get out of a relatively small transfer fee, given the sums of money they would've received from reaching the Premier League. Sadly, I think a lot of clubs would've taken this sort of action, as it seems money is everything to them.

It's got to be a wind up. They can't be that deluded.

That was my exact thought, there’s no way even a 15er is that deluded...is there?

I think "Craggo" may have just landed the 15er of the year award for 2019. (assuming that he is not a City fan on a wind up, of course).

Holy Shit! ?? Former League Champions and 6 times FA Cup winners Blackburn Rovers? QPR, Fulham, Charlton, Wigan, Preston and Luton have all had many years in the top flight and plenty of honours between them. No chance they are bigger than Barnsley or Millwall. All those clubs listed get bigger support. No wonder this thread is so long. The gift.

The moron has since provided his list of clubs he thinks they are bigger than. Absolutely comical.

Default position? When we are losing money, or when we make money? They think we are spending huge amounts of money on wages, but then they only have their own clubs position to compare us with. We are still a pretty smallish fish in this pond and our "used car salesman" of a Manager is struggling because we are "only" in a play off position. This is probably one of the best periods of my time watching City, when it comes to consistent league positions, the best being the late 70's of course. I am watching the games being played in a stadium I could have only dreamed of over the last 50 years too. Wow! I feel very unlucky.

You’re mistaken mate. It’s only City that spend a lot of money on players in an attempt to compete in the Championship. If Rovers got promoted they’d find players who are ‘100% Gas’ who ‘luv da gas’ and who would probably play for nothing...just the pride of wearing that stupid looking kit. And if they do get relegated they want to be like Rotherham, a Championship/L1 yo-yo club. Who said they didn’t have ambition? He’s better than Johnson apparently.

...four places below Grimsby Town?! ... “...print that bastard Grimsby Telegraph...” ??

Their "best ever manager", now manager of League 2 Walsall

Christ Almighty Lansdown’s gunna pull the plug again soon is he .... what a git!! Wish we had a wealthy more trusting family that owned us...maybe someone like the Al No Quidies !!! **** Chat Idiots!

On and on he (assuming it's Dale) goes... https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/october2/statement-from-bury-fc/ Fair play to Kenwright too. Snippet from the Athletic- would have bought time if nothing else IMO.