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What a great thread ? Their time is coming don’t you know? In your own time lads

Ah Miah, long time, no see............probably 15 games worth ?

Ahem, clears throat..... 'I never felt more like singin the blues' etc etc etc. **** me, I almost forgot the words!

When I post on other club’s forums I show a bit of respect.

On my way back now. First 50 we were dire, lots of handling errors, gave them too much space in attack and to be honest we were happy to only be 14-0 down. The yellow card was the turning point, should have been a red and a penalty try from my angle but regardless it gave us a second wind. Lovely couple of scores with some actually rugby and we held on! Up to 4th now but still not near our best today, plenty to work on but some stuff to be happy about

Forest Green have installed great big rocks at the entrance to the ground,to hopefully put off the tent dwellers.

I have a dream I have a dream that one day my descendants, the automatanns, will be gliding along the motorway in a hydrogen fueled driverless module when artificial intelligence will tell them to look northwards. Naturally they won’t be able to do so but an implanted virtual reality regulator will provide the sensation of gazing out towards a spectacular scene shimmering in the distance. Crystal clear pools of distilled water with brightly coloured amoeba skimming gracefully across the surface. Fields of rich dark crumbly earth from which all heavy metals and those nasty golden centipedes have been removed and sent to South Bristol Business Parks full of equal opportunity employers with staff busily refreshing their Facebook and Instagram pages as they strive to re-engineer Chinese made consumer goods. Residential units built using timber from sustainable forests and Cotswold stone from South Korea. Homes not just fit for heroes but also for heroines, hermaphrodites, hemorrhoids and everyone in between. Dwarfing it all a gigantic Sportograd rising unobtrusively skywards and constructed entirely from reconstituted paper cups. It’s crowning glory a smooth curved jagged edged “Football Reactor” dedicated to the philosopher Sir Alf Garner. At the epicentre a glowing core of smiling happy faces with voices emitting a stirring sound which carries forth on a billowing stream of new clear wind. ” But it’s been no bed of roses, No pleasure cruise, The challenge of building a new football stadium, We always must lose. Cause we are the Champignons my friends ... “ I have a dream.

This article suggests the wages would have been c£2m for the season. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tammy-abraham-wolves-aston-villa-15636578.amp In terms of a fee there is no evidence for this but fees for similar players like Nketiah have been quoted around £3m a season, hence why i said £4-5m was an estimate.

Talks about building the stadium on a shoe string. Is that any better than building one on guy ropes?

I'd lost count! hope you all had a nice Xmas and New Year!

If you were told to have no contact with that Henbury tool for 16 weeks you'd feel like you'd won! Especially if you chinned him as well.

No problem

FFS, none of us has his actual contract, but if we take Swansea’s loan, it was rumoured that a £5m loan fee, he’d just signed a £25k per week plus £25k per game (and other bonuses) contract, so Swansea had to pay him circa £50k per week because if they just paid his basic £25k, he was losing out on the opportunity to earn his bonuses. This Forum is speculating stuff from a multitude of sources. You don’t know unless you are at Villa, and neither do I. But I do know that you don’t loan a multi-million pound asset out as a favour. We’ve had enough loan business with Chelsea.

Yep, because: he was 18 at the time, having made 2 senior sub appearances he didn’t cost us a several £million loan fee he didn’t cost us £50k plus in wages per week We would love to have brought him back here last season (more so to piss you off probably), but guess what? We accepted he was beyond our budget. We would’ve liked him back when he was going to Swansea, but we accepted we couldn’tt afford it. You obviously could..... ......or took the gamble you’d be promoted before the EFL would act if (if!!!) you did go over.

You miss the debate.....again!!! Your argument was that if you had to sell a player because of FFP you shouldn’t have resort to playing youngsters, you should be able to bring in someone equally as good. If you can do that for free, then great. We don’t have FFP to worry about, because we accept that when we sell a player for £7m (Flint) we can’t then go and spend another £7m on his replacement. We go and buy Webster for £3.5m. When we sell him for £20m (so glad it was Brighton rather than you!!), we can spend £7m on Kalas. When we sell Reid for £9m, we buy Andi Weimann for £2m and Mo Eisa for £800k. You see that when your costs outweighs your income, you have to make that money up somewhere. And then we also rely on bringing Kelly (An 18 year old in) through because we sell a Joe Bryan....and sell him for £15m ahead of the end of our accounting period, and we report a profit. You see, we are forced into bringing youngsters in. Some will come through our academy like Reid, Bryan and Kelly. Others like Flint we bought for 300k as a 22 year old late developer, Brownhill for youth development compensation. We then develop them. We accept that. You see bitter that Grealish might have had to be sold. But you’re a huge club, so that’s ok. When we see your 18/19 accounts and they’ve been analysed by more (much more) experts than me in Kieran and Swiss, we’ll see what’s really happened. Might all be fine, in which case you can sit their smugly. But it does make you wonder why so many people have questioned your FFP position..

Just a couple of points on this. I don’t get the arguement that having loan players is a way of pleading poverty, Tammy could easily have cost Villa c£4-5m for last season based on estimates for loan fees and assuming his wages are paid in full. However the bigger arguement is more conceptual, FFP exists to make the league more susbstainable, and clubs like Villa, Sheffield Wed, Derby and Reading have have used a loophole to bastardize it, to the detriment of other clubs playing within the spirt of the rules.

Again if you read, I gave the rationale. Why so defensive? Why so worried? And in contrast....why so confident that you are fully compliant? Do you go on a charm offensive with all these too? Thats all we are asking. When you come up with bollocks like you should be entitled to replace players like for like (and how unfair it would be to have to play “youngsters”) you sound like one of your fellow “entitled” fans.

There are some certain concepts that you are perhaps failing to grasp in this debate, I agree with Dave. When facts change, our minds might- but those accounts will enable fresh analysis. Btw, yourself and the Derby fan aside, I've never known anyone join an opposition forum solely to debate FFP- the joys of modern football eh! ?

@Delta - you have again failed to grasp all we are doing is putting forward views / opinions on a forum from stuff we’ve read, etc. Much of it from respected people like Kieran Maguire, Swiss Ramble, etc. When any club accounts come out or PL investigation is completed we’ll have our views again. Why are you so worried about what little old Bristol City fans on a forum think? Are you involved at Villa, as another club’s fan seemed suspiciously “in the know” (or at least adamant of done nothing wrong) when he / she posted on here. ???

My forum? SJG £80m minimum Neves Does anyone even want him?

I don't think Mr P is in a position to answer - He thought we were claiming £200m for VP, he thought we we claiming respite for a pending SJG sale, he thought Birmingham could go to the CAS. He was wrong.

When I say replace, I mean replace perhaps numeriocally but not perhaps calibre or wage wise. Snodgrass goes out, in comes Bolasie and El Ghazi- granted the former left after half a season. Out goes Grabban, in comes Tammy. Those are not terribly cheap. I question the stadium sale owing to the Impairment in 2015/16 but I digress, the 2018/19 Accounts will be my new starting point. Or if you get them in, you sell some key assets to help fund them in order to stick within the below. It means that if a club are close to breaching FFP regs, you spend lower, you put more of an emphasis on youth and if you exceed these limits you- not just you tbh, any club, then they get dealt with accordingly. Completely different and more complex case, but as we heard Friday evening. Man City banned for 2 years from European competition- feels pretty well deserved it must be said!

I could understand why no penalty try was given as there was a Saints player covering. However, given the rate of knots Joycey was travelling at, and the angle of his run, in reality a near enough certain try was stopped. So, can consider ourselves a little hard done by. Great to see Pat still not happy at all with the performance! Striving for excellence. We were better against Gloucester for sure. Starting to really see the potential of this team though, top 4 must surely be a realistic goal. That said, we could still end up finishing 8th and I wouldn't be that surprised! Big game against Worcester now who presumably aren't that effected by international call-ups? Is one possible criticism of Bears' season that all our wins seem to have come in periods when other teams have been effected by World Cup and 6 Nations call-ups?

Only reason could be they're selling the mem to pay the debt. Then with the millions and millions left over finance a brand spanking new stadium in st Phillips. What else could the plan possibly be ? I mean since joining the blue few Wally has backed them to the hilt at every turn, really nice bloke as well apparently.

Brilliant comeback. What a result! Didn't turn up first half but much better in the second.

Incredible t20 series, each game was great

It's funny how you've popped back Miah just as Rovers win their first game for 4 years, Leeds win for the first time since Brexit and Rangers implode at the first sign of pressure ?

Wonder how many of those were Blackpool fans? Wouldn’t be surprised if the number of Sagheads who bothered to show up yesterday was around the 6k mark. Remember in their L2 days when they used to say they’d fill the Mem every game if they were in League 1? Full of shit fickle bunch.

JB you helped to achieve a total of over 10,000 spectators so far this season, do you reckon they could go the whole season unbeaten? Oops sorry for the triple post!

4-0 home win yesterday Still not lost or drawn all season!

Red cards against whilst playing at home in League One this season: Portsmouth: 5 The Sags, Wycombe: 4 Gillingham, Peterborough: 3 Accrington, AFC Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Ipswich, Lincoln, Oxford, Rotherham: 2 Bolton, Burton, Shrewsbury, Southend: 1 Blackpool, Coventry, Doncaster, MK Dons, Rochdale, Sunderland, Tranmere: 0

Exactly! Never blame someone for autocorrect disasters. Not 'till you've W*nked a MILF in their shed.

Well... he said the ‘crime’ resulted in a community resolution. This is an informal disposal which stops the matter having to go through court. It is saved solely for the least serious matters. Theres must be an admission from the ‘offender’ and there’s always some form of reparation. He says “not to contact for 16 weeks”. Which is more than unlikely. I can therefore confirm that Henbury Gas is one of the following: 1. Misinformed. 2. incorrect. 3. full of shit. I know where my money is.

Oh yeah, think I recall. My tip to go to or to explore going to CAS was NOT necessarily to defer punishment but to try and get the accounts or Projected Accounts of other sides strongly rumoured to be in breach seen- see CAS AC Milan 2018, when they nearly got disclosure of Inter Milan, Man City and PSG- a point that if Birmingham are to be punished then everyone else must be too. https://www.football-italia.net/124755/inter-balance-sheets-cas I want no free passes for any side. None. My legal angle was for Birmingham to get proper disclosure of all to punish all if necessary or properly try all if necessary at least, not to get anyone off the hook!