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Hi Rich, I’m just a simple Bristolian, but I’m very interested in understanding why you think “All Lives Matter” is “undeniably a racist slogan” - cheers ...

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Without context and on it's own, it is just a slogan and not at all offensive, after all it encourages people to treat everybody equally. The problem comes when it is used as a response to "Black Lives Matter" - BLM came about as a way of saying black lives shouldn't be worth less than white, and this was very much seen as a problem in society. When the response to this is "All Lives Matter" then it is about dismissing these fears and effectively saying things are fine as they are. Andy Bennett did not call the protestors Far Right (I believe Right Wing was what he said, and being called Right Wing does not mean you are being called racist), so the banner was wrong and misguided from the beginning.

if they are the best available then fair enough, if not it’s just a tick in a box exercise which i rather feel it is.

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Must have been a big banner to fit all that on.

As much as someone who likes to try and beat up people in the name of a team that kicks a round object around can do, yeah ”I might well kick a black guys head in but it’s because of the football team he supports not the colour of his skin!” Hand out the Nobel peace prize now

*logs back into OTIB for the first time in a while* Thanks for the supportive comments, everyone. Initially, I post everytime the podcast has a new episode out (other podcasts, or people from them, do the same), so am not expecting many replies after that. Part of the reason I joined OTIB was, as well as being a fan of City men since the 2000s, I also wanted to discuss more about City Women, especially as the existing thread on here didn't have as much activity since I started posting in it. I've also started writing for the OTIB fanzine on the team as well. I contribute to posts about City men too, but a lot of the time whatever opinion I have may have already been said by someone else. And while there is more of a one club mentality going around, it's up to the fans to get involved in that as well. If you don't follow the women's team, then I wouldn't expect anyone to respond to any posts I make about them, or the podcast either. Hope that clarifies a few things ?

This deal sums the EPL up perfectly. Endorsing players taking the knee for equality for everyone, rainbow laces, kick it out campaigns, badges etc etc. But as soon as a bit (a lot) of cash comes along they just bend over just happily let in the Saudi mob - who are a state against everything that the EPL apparently stand for. Shows them up for what they are, a virtue signalling bunch of ***** who obviously don't believe a single word of what they actually say to others. Is it a surprise, not really. We have the World Cup being held in Qatar ffs, but that's all good as well, especially when money and brown envelopes comes into the equation.

The issue is that those of us who don’t go in for that nonsense are massively inconvenienced because all football fans are tarred with the same brush. So we are subject to unreasonable kickoff times, police escorts to and from stadia for what is supposed to be a leisure activity, restrictions on where and when we can consume alcohol and so on. Besides, no matter how much hooligan groups will argue until they are blue in the face that they are only interested in trading blows with like-minded people from rival mobs, they do seem to have memory lapses about that code of honour regularly and beat up rival fans who aren’t hooligans instead.

I’ve just come back to this after a few hours and….In what ****ing world is it acceptable to stand up for this shit? I go back to my earlier point - if we admit CSF protected people like me who wanted to just watch the game, then we have to admit that CSF also intimidated and drove away fans like me from the game from other clubs. Look at the average attendances if you don’t believe that. We’re better off without these pricks, who just want a fight under a banner they’ve misappropriated. My sons 9. If he never hears the initials CSF I’ll be delighted. Let the dinosaurs die. I’m happy they protected people, but if they didn’t exist, it wouldn’t be needed. They we’re the cause not the cure. And they should be ashamed of how, as a football fan, they led to me, led to us, being treated.

I think you are missing the point. Yes, innocent City fans may have been saved from a beating by other sides 'firms', but at the same time innocent fans of other clubs will have been in need of protection from the CSF. Every 'firm' will claim that they do not pick on innocent fans, but in the end every single one of them does, and there is no reason to think any differently of CSF. If there were no 'firms' then no innocent fans would need protecting and football would be all the better for it.

The paradox with the CSF (and all “firms”) is this. Speak to any of them, they’ll tell you that they never went after people who didn’t want to get involved, and it was one firm against another. However, in the next breath they say how they protected all fans. Hell this was stated in the old Paul Lumber thread, and has already come up here (“glad they were there” etc) Unless, by some miracle, the CSF are the exception to the rule and didn’t go after people who just wanted to watch the game, and every other firm did, then both of those things can’t be true. So, the only logical deduction is a load of thugs who wanted a fight with anyone. That’s not football, and I’m glad they’re not a part of our club anymore in any great way. The cenotaph incident was hopefully the last gasp of an outdated culture. And I for one do not believe a word they say in view of the logic above.

Unfortunately like or loathe them they played a major part in Bristol city that only people of a certain age can appreciate

Thought the guy come across really well in the article tbh

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In my day at Halloween we did 'penny for the guy' but then Mark Ashton came along and paid £3.5m for guy - a player made entirely of papier mache, cardboard and old school clothes. Guy managed just five minutes in the first team over two seasons before being given a free transfer to MK Dons.

Sure it wasn't Dopey Darrell, I've heard he's a CORGI specialist ?

Not quite sure why a bunch of thugs are being legitimised in this way.

I was thinking the same earlier today,it’s amazing how constant the stream of entertainment is that flows from them. Just when you think there can’t possibly be more they churn out another beauty every time.

I never want him to leave. It’s fantastic comedy value.

It’s like we’ve found a magic well of hilarity that never dries up. Just constant buckets of funny shit coming up one after the other for our entertainment. Today their bizarre manager has given us this gift ? Brilliant stuff ? Thank you God.

Hahahahah, ******* brilliant, oh the gift the gift

Yep the people who kept the dolman safe, be late 50s at best now. But respect to them, cause if they wouldnt have been, there, against the likes of whu, sheff united and portsmouth. Lets be honest, there would have been carnage. They stopped firms running amok in the dolman. Anybody my age knows this.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-press-conference-live-6030386.amp?__twitter_impression=true Every answer, absolutely mental. The bloke has a bit going on.

They - and other insecure closet cases like them, fighting their toytown wars - also played a major part in ensuring that football fans have to live under restrictions that no other sports supporters face - as well as giving genuine fans an undeserved reputation for imbecilic and unpleasant behaviour. Like them or loathe them? Well, I loathe them - and all so-called "football firms". The sooner they all **** off and stop using our sport as an excuse to grapple with other men, the better.

I think that depends on what you define as a "good job". If you mean making sure they remain solvent, then yes he did that. If you consider every other element then he did poorly. His treatment of club legends was disgusting (Shearer, Keegan etc). His treatment of players was despicable. His hiring of executive staff make Mark Ashton look like a footballing genius, and we won't mention Dennis Wise/Joe Kinnear or renaming the stadium after his own retail interest. I was a Newcastle season ticket holder growing up and worked at the stadium as a teen, but the man genuinely made me fall out of love with football. It was only when I moved down to the south west and started going to City (my boys wanted to go to a match and I didn't want them supporting one of the Manchester/London teams) that I started getting the love back.

on Saturday night at 19:45pm

In all seriousness I hope he is, otherwise he's on the cusp of a breakdown (and THAT ain't funny ).

Benjamin Bloom has always come across as a very nice and decent bloke. Shame he supports Ipswich but I suppose someone has to!

Thanks BR, I've read that and have to say I've rarely read such utter crap in my entire life! The bloke is absolutely looney tunes!!! I've also been to church - to pray that he doesn't leave. Then I'm gonna walk up Wedmore Vale - that's my Everest. ****...

Well, he has left Newcastle virtually debt free, and when they got relegated he coughed up his own money to pay the wages, and they came straight back up. Had they not been promoted it could have been another Sunderland. I don't think his management of the club was as bad as some portray. A lot of the dislike from him was the "cockney mafia" stuff. He doesn't have a good public image either but i take your points about the stadium and training ground.

We’re back to that conundrum that sent Cowshed and the like into silence and killed the thread in the politics forum. You can’t argue that taking the knee is intrinsically linked with BLM and it’s political meanings and cannot simply mean something non-political, and then argue that you can say “All lives matter” in response to a BLM protest and claim that it has no link to BLM and means something else. Either both can be removed from their “political” or wider meanings, or they can’t.

The problem with "All lives matter" isn't the words themselves - in isolation they should be clear and obvious to all. It is the context of how they are used as a rebuttal of the "Black lives matter" line. If only the phrase used had been "Black lives matter too", then we wouldn't have this as a linguistic issue where a conflict between the two phrases is generated

Even the use of the word firm is tacit legitimisation. It’s not a firm. It’s nothing more than a sad bunch of see-you-next-tuesdays looking for a fight. With anyone. This quasi- romantic notion that they were our saviours is first class bullshit. They were. And still are. Actually the problem.

Maybe I'm a bit far along on the spectrum but is "All lives matter" really a racist term? @richwwtk you say it with such conviction the way I read you saying it but it feels like a bit of a "newspeak" term where I've missed the memo so therefore if I say it then I'm branded racist thus alienating me from the conversation. To me it clearly means what it says even if it's in response to black lives matter - I don't know why it can't be taken at face value, e.g. that all lives do matter? It's this kind of deliberate playing with language and it's meaning that really confuses me and someone just saying that it's different doesn't make it different IMHO. Obviously we all have to agree on language otherwise we're speaking different languages and once again communication breaks down.

I really don't get Newcastle, their so called special support or big club mentality. A less successful Ipswich Town without Mark Ashton, and delusions of grandeur wrapped up in a desperate part of the UK, labouring under a 'special' status that is about as special as Liz Truss is in negotiations with the United States. For all the faults Mike Ashley presents, he ran the financial side of Newcastle well. I hope they do an Arsenal. Spend years campaigning to get rid of something that saw you being reasonably competitive only to find themselves ever so marginally worse off.

Yes indeed, good old Bones. Went to same schools as him, as did one or two others on here. Yep, his brother Chris fought in the Falklands.

They will use the boycott of the game to account for the poor attendance gas logic get your excuse’s in early

Agreed, it's good news in the senses female officials are making higher standards of refereeing This shows how long ago this kind of comment was seen as being funny.... Decades ago!

David "Navy" Seal

will they swap shirts at the end?

If you read the article in its entirety and put aside pre conceived opinions of the CSF it’s a well balanced interview which puts A&S police in a poor light and the source of some of the misinformed reported right wing slurs made against those that were protecting the cenotaph

Whether or not @shahanshahan and their mates do a podcast or make a thread on here has nothing to do with the popularity of the women's game. The club have decided to run a women's football team. Therefore Bristol City Women's is a part of the club. The football club. Same as the u23s, the walking football team, the disabled team etc. As such it's more than appropriate have threads in this forum in which those who want to talk about it can do so. For my part - I don't watch the women's team, and with apologies to the people behind it, I don't listen to Vixencast. But those that do - fair play and crack on.

Tbh I don’t see the problem if two groups of people from different clubs want to fight let them get on with it as long as innocents don’t get hurt what’s the issue

Had a Rovers supporter in my house the other day cleaning my oven. Nice enough, but totally thick tbh. Said Barton is doing a "root and branch" overhaul of the club and he predicted championship football in 3 years. Still a "big fanbase" blah blah. Totally deluded. At times i had to disappear into another room as i didnt want to get hysterical, but **** me. I asked him if Barton being in Jail would mess up the 3 year plan and he kind of froze, like the Windows blue screen of death. Once he rebooted he shrugged it off and claimed it was probably made up, and if true "he would be inside already". Clearly misunderstanding the law and order process there mate. Did a good job on the oven mind

I think overall you're probably right and that there is relatively little interest in the women's team compared to the men's. For that to change, and it won't happen overnight, there does need to be people like @shahanshahanpushing it.

I’d like to keep hearing about the women’s team. Please keep posting. Thanks.