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  1. I want rid of Palmer as much as the next person, however I would say that the reaction on here is more akin to say Nicky Hunt leaving. Palmer hasn’t exactly been shit and the reality is that none of us really know what’s gone on behind the scenes - but Nige doesn’t fancy him. There’s a real feeling of a player we hate vibe going on and I don’t think that should be the case, he hasn’t really done anything wrong and you could argue he hasn’t had much of a chance potentially. Like I said, it’d be nice for Coventry to share his wages, but there’ll be no hate from me.
    32 points
  2. There are certainly those who accuse him of having a bad attitude, something for which I know of no evidence. Others accuse him of being lazy, which I also don't see. If anything he sometimes tries too hard, and ends up losing the team shape. There have certainly been no Bakinson style comments from Nigel, who tends not to hold back. He just doesn't seem to be tactically disciplined, which may be why no manager has got a consistent tune out of him. He seems to be a perfectly decent young man who doesn't deserve the hostility he gets at times. I wish him well.
    26 points
  3. I don’t hate Palmer, I still think there’s a player in there, but he needs to mature his game beyond u23 football. He currently costs the club too much for the value we get, but that’s not his fault. We haven’t heard of bad attitude, just that he hadn’t done enough to be ahead of other players. I hope we do manage to move him on at as low a cost to us as possible, but I also hope he kickstarts his career.
    16 points
  4. Obviously this will divide opinion. But please don’t say it’s not a City shirt, they were wearing these colours for my first game in 1957.
    12 points
  5. So for the 68th (me either) anniversary of once wearing white sleeves in 1954 we're going to pretend we're Arsenal (or Rotherham). Absolutely embarrassing attempt to use a bit of history for yet more gimmicks on the kit front. Bristol City may not have the biggest identity in football but couldn't we at least protect what we have. All red shirts, white shorts - after Man Utd at least fairly distinctive in the top two divisions. For once just keep it simple and classy, rather than appearing to have no identity at all by messing about so much. Other clubs will take the piss out of us and rightly so, why are Bristol City wearing Arsenal or Rotherham's kit? Also, from memory the last time we messed about this much with the home strip - putting a black hoop around about a third of the normally all red home shirt, we got relegated from the Championship. Rant over. BTW feel a bit sorry for Hummel who produce really good gear, but no doubt are working under instruction from team Comic Sans.
    10 points
  6. This is another one of the big frustrations for me. We had him on loan - we knew exactly what we were getting. It just makes the transfer fee and wages we committed to even more ludicrous.
    10 points
  7. Even worse than the BBC for trying to shoehorn women in*. Add in 2nd rate male pundits too plus a strangely dressed camp chap from Germany and it’s utterly unbearable. *please note. I have nothing against women in football. But when the ratios become too high it’s clearly agenda-driven.
    9 points
  8. Only in XXXXL or XXXXS. Normal sizes will be released in Jan 2023. With 4 month delivery wait.
    9 points
  9. Agree with your general sentiment on this, Tony. Players like Palmer benefit from a huge amount of praise which they don't really deserve IMO. I have no idea how someone can look at Palmer's last half a decade of football and conclude that he's "one of the most talented playmakers outside of the Premier League". The aura around being labelled a "luxury player" seems to act as an insurance policy for some players. What really irks me about it is that it seems so unfair on many other players who are much more deserving of praise. Take Weimann, for example, who received very little recognition prior to this season. Or Chris Martin, a player who took a battering from our fanbase at times this season, but was effective, hard working, and contributed a lot. Seeing a player like Palmer receive such generous reviews feels like a real insult to these players who have done far more to deserve recognition.
    9 points
  10. So you can make your points over and over, but I can’t make mine back? How does that work, sounds remarkably hypocritical to me? ??????
    8 points
  11. First of all, the world has moved on from the days when a transfer was a compensation payment for the remainder of the contract value. The transfer fee was the amount of the remaining contract, e.g. £20k p.w, Cov would pay £1m to City to buy him out of the contract. But that’s old skool! Today the transfer fee is more a “trading value” than contract buy out. But as a result, it is expected that the buying club will offer the player the same / greater than they’re currently on the make it worth their while to cancel their existing contract and start a fresh one at the new club. Contractually we are obliged to pay KP his full contract until it’s end date. If we were trying to mutually cancel his contract we’d have to reach a position where KP would be happy to get “an amount” to go now rather than be tied to City for the rest of the season with little hope of playing. Bit like Lansbury last season. However we now have an interested party, Coventry. There are now multiple permutations. Let’s just throw in a few options. Option 1 - Coventry want their cake and eat it! They don’t want to pay a transfer fee and only want to pay half his wages for a 3 year deal. If KP wants his £20k p.w from City, we’d have to stump up the other half (£10k p.w) for his final year. For years 2 and 3 he will get £10k p.w from Coventry, our obligation ends next summer. Option 2 - money bags Cov! They offer us £500k transfer fee and £20k p.w for 3 years. As the wage offer is the same as what City pay him, then he can cancel his contract with us and pick up the new one with Cov. This option is very unlikely. Option 3 - 3-way compromise! Coventry offer us £250k fee, they offer KP £10k p.w for 3 years, and we pay the £5k p.w for the final year. City have compromised a bit on the fee and KP’s wages, Cov are giving us a transfer fee, KP has compromised a bit on his wages this year and more in years 2 and 3. Option 4 - Silly buggers - no compromise! KP stays at City, earns his £20k p.w, Coventry don’t get their man, City don’t reduce their costs next season, KP potentially ruins his career.
    8 points
  12. Engvall was a terrible signing but was on far lower wages & was off the wage bill much quicker. He spent a fair bit of his spell with us on loan elsewhere, too. We also got £250k back for him, when you take his wages & fee into account Palmer is in another league completely with regards to cost.
    7 points
  13. You mean: "He's a liability when he doesn't have the ball" ? If so, Cruyff's quote about a player having the ball for on average only 3 minutes in a game springs to mind, he said: "...the most important thing is: what do you do during those 87 minutes when you do not have the ball? That is what determines whether you are a good player or not." I don’t think boys like KP and many others like him grow up believing this from JC to be true - as a boy, skipping past 5 or 6 opponents at will, scoring 40 or 50 goals a season - they grow up believing they are incredibly special and talented, and have what it takes and are destined to be a special player for someone like Chelsea - and this talent certainly carries them a long way and gets them so far - even as far as lucrative professional contracts - but eventually most meet reality and the limits of their talent. Then what? Then, to be a "good player or not" is determined by other things, nothing to do with your ability to manipulate a ball. And this is where, I imagine, boys like KP - feted for so long, told they are "special" or "talented" - struggle. To be good player ie get picked, involves a whole lot of stuff they believe is for other less talented boys and not for them. They can't or won't make the switch It's not like KP will be unaware of what is required in professional football to be a good player, to be a regular First XI player, so what has he done about that in his time - he has had plenty of this here - here? Is it a case of he "can't" or he "won't" ? As I imagine it, some boys that grow up streets ahead of their peers and feted for their talent just can't be doing with what is required in those 87 minutes and when they are being rewarded as KP still is, and no doubt will be again when he's gone from here, then it must be tempting to think: why change? They want the game to fit to how they are, not the other way round. I am guessing and speculating but KP has had long enough now - long enough here, long enough out on loan - to know what is required and do something about and adapt his game, but it hasn't happened.
    7 points
  14. Morning @Fordy62 No hate from me to Palmer. I think he just exemplifies where we went wrong as a club, and like Wells is an example of lessons that need to be learnt (If they haven't already). Certain players now feel like some sort of financial millstones around our neck, regardless of their performances (or lack of them) on the pitch. Alongside Wells, Kalas also falls into this category. Stopping NP from reshaping the squad in the manner in which he wants us to progress. As a club we just got a bit too ambitious financially, and like Icarus got burnt accordingly.
    7 points
  15. It's a shame because I think Szmodics would actually suit the system we now play. Lots of movement, he could have been a good alternative to Weimann/Semenyo with his pace. Or would have been a very good option to have from the bench, also feel the same about Matty Taylor, we spent however much on Wells, when Taylor could have played that role for much cheaper.
    6 points
  16. Seems a very 'Marmite' shirt. I personally don't think I've disliked a shirt so much for a long time. Too Arsenal, don't like the stripy socks.HATE collars on shirts Why the return to the 1950's with this shirt and then go hyper modern with the 'keepers. They don't look like they are playing in the same team together. Why the hint of 1950's anyway, not like its a centenery year or something.
    6 points
  17. Hate this mindset.
    6 points
  18. Wry smile at all those who weren’t renewing their SCs unless/until NP was relieved of his duties and convinced hundreds if not thousands would be doing the same. UTC.
    6 points
  19. The other difference between Dasilva & Palmer was this; Dasilva had won the player of the season award at Charlton in his previous loan & whilst he wasn’t outstanding in his spell with us, you could see that as he was only 20, there was still plenty of time for him to improve. £2m was also a very reasonable fee at that time. As has been mentioned before, even without taking into account that we already had Paterson (a better version of the same player) & Szmodics who we had just bought (& I agree, who never got a chance), Palmer did virtually nothing in his loan spell, to go with mediocre previous ones at Blackburn & Derby, so how we thought that justified spending £3.5m I have absolutely no idea. An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.
    5 points
  20. I know Andi did wonders for us last season but to copy Austria’s kit just for him…..
    5 points
  21. The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer
    5 points
  22. Maybe the fact that Huddersfield, Blackburn & Derby all chose not to take up the option when he was on loan with them should have sent alarm bells ringing. For me though, it's the loan spell with us prior to his permanent transfer that is inexcusable. He was poor in the main, and was left out of the side at the end. How we thought we could polish him up to be a diamond is beyond me. Good luck to Coventry with him. There is undoubted talent there, however my gut feeling is he's another Liam Walsh on the horizon for them.
    5 points
  23. Financial millstone is a good way of describing it. I used “cost behemoth” to describe the overall state. But you’re right, would we be suggesting moving TK on if we paid a similar fee / wages to Rob Atkinson. As a club (and set of fans) we are trying to make squad recommendations based on financial not footballing reasons in some cases. That’s a crap position to be in, and the fault of the previous regime, the owner still being present. It is why we still need to be patient.
    5 points
  24. What a change of managers they had over the past ten years… Evans to Betsy
    5 points
  25. Bellingham reminded me of Bakinson for 80 minutes. Last 10 minutes he stepped up though. Odd performance from the entire team. Looked dysfunctional and disinterested for most of the match, then half-decent for last 10-15 minutes. Mount’s a quality player. Quite how we totally isolated him to the level where he just ran around like a primary school kid I’ve no idea. Hopefully the Rice/Mount combination isn’t another Gerrard/Lampard conundrum.
    4 points
  26. Never offside, quite clearly came off a German player. I was thinking, for the amount England fans moan, when was the last time we actually lost against Germany over there? Our record has been excellent since 2001. I've seen us win in Berlin twice, for starters.
    4 points
  27. Creative Director ?
    4 points
  28. Most parents get their kid a colouring book - I guess this is the billionaire's equivalent. At least the lad won't be getting involved in football if he's doing this.
    4 points
  29. Been busy today all day and thought I'd check this thread. Well done to Derby on a successful takeover and Kirchner t... Oh wait- what- still imminent you say? ?
    4 points
  30. The great Charles 'Charlie' Charles, one of the famous Charles brothers.
    4 points
  31. So that’s why Semenyo flew back early.
    4 points
  32. You need to find a new club I think pal! You seem to hate everything about us.
    4 points
  33. The interesting bit is that judging by the mood on here I was expecting around 11.5k, especially when the anecdotal evidence is “me and my 14 mates who all sit together aren’t renewing”. Shows that this place is a bit more negative than the wider fan base as a whole and that many comments are hot air made for effect in the light of a bad performance or result.
    4 points
  34. It’s brilliant that, when adjusted for the 5k on here who swore blind they weren’t renewing, we’ve got so many new fans!!!
    4 points
  35. Football fans seem ridiculously prone to extremes of adulation and dislike. Palmer was obviously hugely popular at one stage - or with one group - given the crowd song that was prevalent for a while. Now, people talk as if he was bought by the management as an act of sheer folly that we all recognised at the time.
    4 points
  36. Forgive my ignorance but who or what is "Swiss Tony" ?
    4 points
  37. Whatever the end result is with Palmer, from my perspective; he will go down as the worst signing ever in financial terms since I started supporting the club (1978). His lack of end product on the pitch just exemplifies what a truly awful deal it was. Even before his permanent signing, we must have been paying his wages, and a loan fee to Chelsea. By the end of his loan he wasn't even in the first team reckoning. Absolute madness to then buy him, and put him on those wages. That crazy summer of 2019, just keeps coming back to bite us financially.
    4 points
  38. At the risk of sounding “super fan” here, your last games (which were our biggest for years) predated Kasey Palmer being here by six months, and signing permanently by a season and a half. Using him as a reason not to go is odd in the extreme, while noting that there will always be genuine reasons people can’t attend such as affordability. In short, stating “My last games were the Manchester cup games and I’m not going again until a man who wasn’t there at the time and I’ve never seen play live leaves” makes you sound like a bit of an arse tbh.
    4 points
  39. A seemingly respected ITK on their forum stating he’s signing for them on a 3 year deal If his agent gets him another 3 year contract he’s a magician
    3 points
  40. 3 points
  41. Good Post @Bristol Oil Services And the points you raised highlight for me why Alex Scott is such a good prospect. Yes, he likes to get on the front foot, and be progressive. But he isn't afraid of getting involved (12 yellows ?) or sprinting back to cover for other players. His determination to make do in the RWB position, and to give 100% is admirable as well. All of these attributes seem somewhat lost on Mr Palmer at times. Undoubted talent, but from my perspective (like yours as well, by the look of it); the modern day footballer has to do so much more when they are out of possession. Who knows whether a player like Jacki would have survived in the modern game. Players like Tomlin demonstrate the need for more than just a playmaker.
    3 points
  42. The biggest issues with Palmer being at our club are financial - the huge wage and transfer fee we paid for him. It's right to point out that neither are his fault, and the blame for this should lie predominantly with Mark Ashton. Addressing that financial burden is the main thing to be celebrated if a transfer does take place. That being said, I really don't think Palmer has helped himself whilst here. Has he been sh*t? In terms of value for money, definitely. In absolute terms, he's been relatively poor IMO - he hasn't contributed a lot. You correctly state that we don't know exactly what's happened behind the scenes, but 4 consecutive managers (including Steve Cooper) quickly relegating him to the bench or reserves is a pretty major red flag. I certainly feel he's had sufficient chances/opportunities too. I just generally get the impression that Palmer isn't THAT bothered about his development. Does he take some responsibility for his development? Or does he just turn up, go through the motions a bit, and hope for the best? Feels like another case of someone who prefers the footballer lifestyle to actually being a footballer. In many ways, he illustrates the rotten club culture that Pearson is aiming to rectify. Palmer falls towards the bottom end of the 'likability scale' for me. By no means do I hate the guy, but I think he's more deserving of criticism than many other players who have left our club.
    3 points
  43. I think the best we ever saw with Kasey was when Afobe was scoring, the two of them clicked and that seemed to get the best out of him. Then we had the unfortunate injury to Benik and his tragic family loss, we don’t know what that might have done to Kasey. I think it’s best for all parties if he moves on to try and kick start his career again, this happens then we can all move on
    3 points
  44. Has anyone offered to drive him there yet? I mean, I don't have a licence but am more than happy to give it a go.
    3 points
  45. I think we all know who his one decent, 90 min performance per season will come against…
    3 points
  46. No, they would be signing him.
    3 points
  47. Kneeling began with the aftermath of George Floyd's murder. 4000 miles away with nothing to do with English football. Qatar is also 4000 miles away. Directly linked to the footballing world now because they're hosting the world Cup. If they had anything about them, the players would Boycott it. I've boycotted the qualifiers and won't watch the tournament. Easy to just kneel down to make themselves feel good and it doesn't cost them anything but if they boycotted it, it would be a much better stance to take, but they won't. Zero tolerance* *conditions apply.
    3 points
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