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  1. Eliasson the more likely candidate in my opinion, but time will tell.
  2. I really do sympathise. Have had the same trouble in the past and whilst it might sound trivial to some, over a long period of time it can drive you round the bend and quite genuinely spoil your match day enjoyment. It’s not what you’ll want to hear, but I’m afraid the only solution is to move. You will resent the fact that you’re the one who’s got to be inconvenienced when it’s the other bloke who’s the pain in the arse, but moronic as he might be, he’s probably doing nothing that a steward could caution him for, let alone remove him, and people like him don’t change their behaviour in my experience, even if you speak to them about it in the most reasonable way possible. They can’t help themselves. The other bit of bad news is there’s quite a lot of them about, so there’s no guarantee you won’t end up near someone just as bad or, dare I say, even worse. I did move in the end, but did a bit of careful checking out first as to who I would be likely to have around me. I’m much, much happier as a result: it’s amazing how much difference it can make to your enjoyment, which I suppose is testimony to just how tiresome this sort of personality can be, but on a positive note, changing seats is quite easy to do, and I found you need only move a couple of seats or one row away for it to make a huge difference. Hope that helps. I wish you luck sorting it out. If it’s anything like what happened with me, you’ll be glad you went to the trouble.
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    Thanks for putting this up, Dave. Makes interesting reading and some of his critics would do well to take notice. This is, of course, cherry-picking from the stats in order to make it look the best it can possibly look, but nevertheless 42 goals and assists in 83 league starts is quite some record. If we were chasing a potential new signing who either scored or provided an assist for every two league games in which he was on the pitch from the start, OTIB would be in a frenzy of excitement. The good news is we don’t need to sign one because he’s already here. Appreciate him for what he does whilst we’ve still got him, rather than moaning about what he doesn’t do. As has been quite rightly pointed out, if he didn’t have some shortcomings, frankly he’d be playing for a far better team than ours.
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    For a very long time our midfield was built on the Pack/Brownhill axis. Losing one of them weakened us - hence LJ’s remarks of a couple of months ago about needing some height and physicality in there - but losing the other half of the partnership now leaves a huge vacuum. Korey will work his socks off to try to compensate, as well as providing some seniority and leadership, but he can’t do it on his own and needs someone in there with him, which is presumably why Henriksen has been signed. We must hope he gets up to speed pretty quickly, having hardly played so far this season, because neither Nagy nor Massengo currently have the presence or authority to fill the boots of the pair we’ve sold. And that’s why people have been pointing out on other recent threads the inherent difficulty in the philosophy by which the club is run, which requires that we sell at regular intervals and leaves LJ doing the job, to repeat a much-quoted phrase, “with one hand tied behind his back “.
  5. Mid-August. Davey Crockett, Mae West, George Melly, Ted Hughes, Robert de Niro, Nelson Piquet. Something for everyone in there. (Clearly, I have too much time on my hands.)
  6. That’s interesting. How is Adolf these days? Been quiet for a while. What’s he up to?
  7. Well said. People write enviously about the comparison with Brentford, but there’s not a great deal in it if you look at the bare facts. Thirty games gone and both clubs are on 50 points, albeit Brentford have a vastly superior goal difference. They are arguably the only other Championship club being run according to the same principles as ours. I’d have to agree that they have been marginally more successful in doing that, but as someone said above, they probably began implementing the model a little earlier than us and are that bit further along the road. I share the general admiration for Brentford and fair play to them, but I think we do our own club an injustice if we don’t acknowledge that we are very close behind them.
  8. Good to see someone express their reservations about him in a fair, balanced and measured way. It’s the ridiculous polarisation of opinions that drives me and a lot of other people up the wall. I’m neither his greatest admirer nor his most severe critic. When he was appointed, I was pretty neutral about it. My main misgiving was that it may have come too early in his career. In fact, I still do think it was probably too early, at that time. But that was then and this is now. I think it’s hard to disagree with the view that he has, on the whole, done a decent job under some fairly tight constraints, bearing in mind that he was himself a work in progress as a head coach when he was given the job. The people who trash him every time we have a bad patch, as all teams do, clearly have another agenda.
  9. Fair shout. When Harry was doing his thing at Brum, he somehow managed to nick not one, but three very good players from Brentford in one swoop - Jota, Dean & Colin, if I remember correctly. I thought it would cripple Brentford, but it didn’t. Just one example, though. I’ve yet to see enough evidence to support the assertion that it’s the general pattern.
  10. Well, I’m willing to stand corrected alongside you. Let’s see: off the top of my head, Kodja, Bryan, Reid, Flint, Tomlin, Kelly, Webster, Pack, Brownhill.... Have I missed anyone out? Fees are open to dispute, but let’s say at least 9 senior players in 4 years or under, for - ball park figures - say £80M plus. Can anyone name a Championship club with as many departures, within the same time frame, for as much money? I’d say those who claim he’s not lost more than most other managers are being a bit harsh, but I’m prepared to be proven wrong.
  11. And yet another for Sam Smodics. This is getting ridiculous: you couldn’t make it up.
  12. Bloody hell! I’m starting to think we could field a team comprised entirely of players we currently have out on loan. Morrell, Walsh, Johnny Smith, Smodics, Bakinson.....
  13. Yes, and I’ve not heard anyone else pick up on that aspect of him as a player. Not easy to try to keep playing your normal game when nothing’s really working for you and people are getting on your back. There’s more than one way to be tough and whilst he’s obviously not cut out for the rough stuff, he did, to my mind, exhibit a certain strength of character in those circumstances. There is often a great weight of expectation that goes with being that type of player. I often think that, whereas what you want to see from, say, your central defenders, is in a sense the same thing over and over again (concentration, organisation, discipline, and so on), what is demanded of so-called creative types is the exact opposite - inventiveness, something different, the ability to do the unexpected. Because they can do it sometimes, some fans seem to expect them to be able to do it all the time, which is impossible. It’s perhaps the hardest role to have in a team. I hope his confidence will continue to build with this series of promising performances, because as I remember LJ once saying, when he’s really at it, he can be almost unplayable. Looking forward to seeing more from him in the coming weeks.
  14. Something I noticed about him some way back, when he was in poor form and getting slated on here. Thought about posting on the subject at the time, but never did, so I’ll say it now. He’s brave in his own way, not physically, given his very slight build, but mentally. When he was struggling and couldn’t seem to put a foot right, I never once saw him go into his shell or hide. He still showed for the ball, called for it, worked hard, put a shift in. He got my respect for that. I rate him and always have. At his best he was close to being PL quality. People have to remember that with his type of player, the creative midfielder, if you like, number 10 or whatever you want to call it, a degree of inconsistency nearly always goes with the territory. Tomlin would be another example and Palmer, if we ever get to see enough of him to make a properly considered judgment, will likely be the same. Talented and capable of producing something special on occasion, but you have to be willing to cut them a bit of slack and exercise some patience - not what OTIB is noted for. Quite simply, none of these guys, if they were capable of delivering consistently high levels of performance akin to what we were seeing from Plato a couple of years back, would be playing for us. I’m personally pleased to see him back and delighted for him that he’s playing well and getting recognition for it. If he can keep it up he can have a very significant impact on the second half of our season.
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