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  1. It plays a part, not sure if it''s the whole answer. The difference between what we would have pushed to (for Reid and Bryan) must be competitive in this division, not the prem tbf. Would love to know what was said last summer and January behind the scenes.
  2. Why did the players leave? Flint, Bryan and Reid, 2 of them for certain would have or did go to another championship club. Rumour of Reid to Derby prior to his move to Cardiff suggests he would have gone to another champ club if no prem interest. Is it money, prestige or a belief they couldn't achieve their goals within our current setup? (i.e. management, coaching etc.)
  3. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Mepham contracted til 2022 shows how you have to play this model, I think we got caught a little cold. It's tough to take but let's hope we have more diedhous than dionys this year...
  4. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Brentford are a really good example - they turned down a 12m bid this summer as it was not the right time for them to deal. Again, that's the point I am making. The model is good, but has to be controlled else you regress, which is my concern. If you are blaming Bobby Reid for our struggles after promotion fair play. I don't. I would also say if we didn't have Flint during those seasons our fate could have been worse.
  5. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Just read this, which I think is linked to my post yesterday. If you believe you know more about the business of football than me that's your belief, fair enough, but it might not be true. I think you have misunderstood my concern tho, and used it as a way to state the obvious and look superior. What you have failed to grasp (moronically?) is the point I was trying to make. Selling is inevitable, needed and relevant to all clubs, agreed. Allowing yourself as club to get to a point where we lose 3 key players in one window is poor. As I have said, FFP is one explanation as to why we chose to sell, which I could accept although this would concern me in other ways.
  6. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Let me have!? Very kind! I think we are talking at slightly crossed purposes. I agree with you that this summer we had to sell - we had got ourselves in a position where our best assets wanted/needed to leave, so we sold them. My point is that timing is a variable you arent factoring in, I think we have been naive to let ourselves lose such key players in one window. The only point which would change this situation is if we had to sell due to FFP etc. At which point getting cash in is king. If we weren't totally up against it financially then this window has pushed us backwards, and hasn't been managed well. Looks like from above posts maybe we really did need the cash?
  7. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Smart people sell when its the right time for them to do so. That's kinda my point. We employ smart people to run the club so that we do not experience a summer where we lose such a large chunk of quality in one hit. That's the crux of my concern. Arguing that Reid wasn't core because it was his first good season, or because Bryan played multiple positions is tedious. If you think the majority of the players you have listed were as core to our success last year then again I just disagree.
  8. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    OK - re Flint, I have no idea if that is true. Re BR and JB, how long had that been going on - Bryan maybe as early as last summer? Of course we, as every other club, have to sell players, but I feel this has been too heavy detriment to our club for this to happen in one summer. Our model is good, buy young hungry and sell on, sure, but it has to be controlled and planned accordingly, that is the bit we got wrong in my opinion. Yeah, that's why i said bed in new players yeah..?!
  9. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    Umm, yeah read my post re selling players, i.e. Kodjia, Tomlin, and sure Flint this summer. My point is that we employ a team of people to buy, sell, and importantly reach our ambitions on the pitch. This isn't a case of not being a selling club, where on earth did i say that? This is a case of managing your assets, and timing. Also, if your point that selling HM, AF, BR, JB and MD in one window isn't the core of the team (with FF likely to be gone if fit) i have to disagree. Only Smith Fam and Pack left from the core.
  10. ciderwithtommy

    #FabulousOwnership

    The current situation, i.e. losing the core of your team in one summer, and therefore needing a huge round of recruitment and bedding in etc. is really really poor management. However, in my opinion this doesn't sit with SL, who has employed people to run the club day to day, chiefly MA. Pouring more cash in is hugely significant, and should be appreciated. However if I were SL I would be asking how we let 3 (as a minimum) of our best players get to a point where they wanted/needed to leave in one summer. I really believe this summer has pushed us back 2 years. Selling Kodjia, and replacing, was good business and didn't truly affect us. Likewise Tomlin. Needing a whole new spine to the team is crazy, and only should happen to a team in crisis, which I believe we are not. Finishing above 11th this season would be an amazing achievement, which in itself shows how damaging a summer we have had.
  11. ciderwithtommy

    Joe Bryan - Signed for Fulham CONFIRMED

    yeah, or maybe a better chance of prem as well - I would think he is ready to take his best option now
  12. ciderwithtommy

    Joe Bryan - Signed for Fulham CONFIRMED

    I would think he has already told his agent it's of interest, that happens before a bid normally, so likely he is keen
  13. ciderwithtommy

    Question

    That literally makes no sense. We had two of the best players based on performance last season in their positions, and we finished 11th. Your point would be valid if they had underperformed, which by and large they didn't. We are now seeing the result of an underperforming season as a whole, i.e. we did not get the most out of the players we had. Now other clubs are willing to pay big money knowing that our players can improve what they have.
  14. ciderwithtommy

    Question

    Good question I think, but you kinda answered it yourself - did we underperform last year finishing 11th, as in your own words LJ had 2 of the best players in their positions available for pretty much every game. I think the answer is yes, therefore if we regress this year it is down to failure which forced the hand of our better players. That is LJ and co's fault, and they should be accountable. They have a huge job ahead this season, a real make or break.
  15. ciderwithtommy

    Stephen Lansdown sells nearly £130m of stock

    Standard for a founder to sell majority of shares once the company is public, as to be seen to not have a controlling stake in the company. will no doubt be reinvesting, lazy journalism i think
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