Esmond Million's Bung

There is another issue here, I accept that perhaps Cardiff and not Nantes released the payment demand into the public domain and that begs another big question, why is there no process in place whereby the really nice, helpful and of course not corrupt people who run FIFA, the FFF or the premier league step in and loan on an interest free agreement the money to Nantes if there need is that pressing, it's not as if they haven't got a bob or two.

This whole tragic tale brings home the sad feeling of brown envelopes full of money that everybody within the process of a transfer gets, that is lost to football forever and a day.

57 minutes ago, hodge said:

I agree something needs to be done about what the agent did as its shocking. With regards to the club though, perhaps they require the money to make payments they're obligated to make and are relying on that money? Bordeaux are owed half of what Nantes get but they've said they're not demanding anything atm. I probably haven't read everything but to me it seems like the fact he had a hard deadline when he had to be at Cardiff and wanting to have a certain amount of time in France to sort everything, while Cardiff were willing to pay for a commercial flight it was known it wouldn't leave him enough time to do everything he needed/wanted to do in France so in a way forced to private flight scenario, but from there it seems like cost cutting when finding the actual flight, no reason a better private plane couldn't have been used.

It was the public demand that was wrong, surely this should have been a totally private matter, I think that only Cardiff so far come out of this with any dignity whatsoever and it's not often we can utter those words.

3 minutes ago, hodge said:

As bad as it sounds to say it pretty sure Cardiff only want a thorough investigation on the chance they won't have to pay out. Insurance may cover the fee but apparently there's another £16m potentially tied up in everything. Paying the first installment is almost a case of accepting they will be paying everything. 

You would think:-

1. That Nantes would have far more class than demanding payment in not only the way that they did but also in the time frame that they did.

2. That if the parasite agent still wants his cut, he donates it to the Salas family.

3. Somebody had a duty of care for this poor guy and singularly failed, whoever that is I hope that they are sued and it doesn't look good for the agent so far.

I am staggered by the lies the agent not only told the player but also the 2 clubs, the manipulation is staggering.

2 hours ago, RedM said:

Sounds like corners were cut in a murky world where everyone wants a slice of the vast amounts of money that is sloshing around, with no real thought to the player who has now paid the ultimate price. How most people involved in this can come out of this with a clear conscious now it’s been confirmed that lives were lost is beyond me.

RIP

The email exchanges between the agent and player beggar belief, the lies and subterfuge employed is absolutely shocking, there are some people on this forum who defend agents as being necessary to the modern game, I'm sorry I beg to differ, they are not interested in the player, the clubs, genuine football fans and the beautiful game itself, they are only interested in money, they are parasites.

This is a very sorry and tragic tale of somebody who had a duty of care to his client and singularly failed in that duty.

Sadly I have absolutely zero faith in either FIFA or the UK football authorities in dealing with this matter appropriately, a thug who has for the 2nd time in 2 years stamped on an opponents face is facing no action FFS.

I hope Cardiff do not let this go without a fight and through investigation, it just plain stinks.

RIP Emiliano and to the pilot, whom I hope is soon found.

What a very sorry and sordid web is emerging surrounding Mckay and his working methods.

No wonder Cardiff are not overly happy over his involvement.

Another reason to despise agents.

31 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Presumably one of 'their own' has stolen the sweet from the manager's hand?

Taking a viagra ready for an impromptu board meeting and the managers initiation with the camel.

3 substitutions and Paterson wasn’t one of them.

My god this is a real love job.

9 minutes ago, finbarr_in_z said:

Some might say you're talking rubbish.

 

See what I did there

I put dog shit in my wheelie bin and thats where the similarity ends.

If Paterson emerges for the 2nd half LJ has clearly lost the plot, he is dreadful, half hearted, weak, not worth his place in the side and we are a weaker side when he plays.

Time to replace Paterson with my wheelie bin, whose is a better player and does’nt back out challenges.

3 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Hardly. Second bottom last season had 36. A point per game gives you 22 so absolutely nowhere near. The rules are clear. In my opinion the BP system has had an overwhemingly positive effect on the game. Even if you don't like it the worst team always goes down and the best team always win the league.

You know I am not in favour, how can it be fair to have lost 3 games out of 4 or 75% of your games and still be a point ahead of a team who has won 2 out of 4 games or has won/lost 50% of their games, I get the 4 tries but not getting anything for a close defeat.

20 hours ago, Robbored said:

Point for scoring 4 tries.

19 hours ago, Calculus said:

From the Premiership Rugby website:

4 points for a win, 2 points for a draw.

 

Bonus points: 1 point to a team that loses a match by 7 points or less, 1 point to a team scoring 4 tries or more in a match.

 

Yes I am aware of the points system, what I am saying is the highlighted portion is bullshit IMO, a defeat is a defeat end of.

Bristol played 4 and won 2 are still a point behind Harlequins who have played 4 and lost 3, i'm sorry I still don't get that.

Breaking News, the grand opening of Bristol Rovers pop up bar for over flow purposes on those occasions when the men has a full house. 

At least they will be able to sell it as unused.

Oh well onwards and upwards, a big match on Tuesday night to look forward to with West Ham boys club.

Taking a good kicking now.

5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Well I certainly wouldn't want to be on the high seas with some on here.

Hardly shipshape and Bristol fashion

Sounds to me like you would be happy spending your time on the high seas with pirates, good luck with that then.

2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

I just give up with the level of vitriol

Corinthian Spirit truly dead in Bristol then, save for some of us oldies who still remain true to the standards of the 40s and 50s.  Atyeo and Bradford must be spinning in their graves at the views expressed here, if you can call them that.

Makes me feel ashamed to be a City supporter in this age of hate.

 

Worse things happen at sea mate.

6 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

You can add me to the sad list as well then.

Me too.

Maybe they should stick with the vacuum cleaner theme and try LG they could even use the initials for lying gas, laughing gas etc.

And just for the hell of it check this out.

33 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said:

In the modern game you have to play attacking rugby and score tries or pay the price. I'm all for a 9-6 arm wrestle but I believe that the game is far more expansive since the introduction of the bonus points which surely has to be a good thing. I'm not particularly interested in watching kicking pong, and I believe that most teams in Europe have been forced to give a lot more thought to attack as well as defence which I can only see as a positive. The losing BP also encourages teams who don't have time to take the win or draw to keep going because they can still take at least a point. If there weren't so many Premiership clubs violating the salary cap it would be a far more level playing field.

I don't know if there is some provision for this (as you say unlikely) scenario but I do know that in the Six Nations they provide the Grand Slam winners with three bonus points for winning all their matches to ensure that they don't miss out on the title to another team who racked up a ton of bonus points. I don't doubt that you know as much as me, we simply have different opinions.

Does anyone know why Smith was red carded for Bristol? I haven't been able to find a clip. In other news, did anyone see Bastardeaud's "clearout" whilst playing for RCT at the weekend? Surely a long ban incoming given his long list of previous:

 

Shoulder to head tackle, but IMO the Sarries player ducked his head as the tackle was coming in, it was accidental.

As for Bastardeaud it was a typical cowardly French assault, should be a minimum of a 6 week ban.

6 hours ago, MichaelRobartes said:

Have to disagree with you about the bonus points, Es. I think they've been fantastic for the game. Particularly the try BP which has had a very positive effect on the sport.

Theoretically (not at al likely) a team could lose every game and stay up, I think it's mad but hey what do I know.

8 minutes ago, RedM said:

Here: I was going to write it all out but just lifted this from Wiki instead. So yes you can lose a match and still get 2 points if you have scored 4 Tries or more and lost by less than 7. 

• 4 points for winning a match
• 2 points for drawing a match
• 0 points for losing a match
• 1 losing bonus point for losing by 7 points (or fewer)
• 1 try bonus point for scoring 4 tries (or more)

In this system, winning teams get 4 or 5 points; drawing teams 2 or 3 points; and losing teams 0, 1, or 2 points.

 

 

 

 

In the words of the fast show, "load of old bollocks ain't it?"