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the1stknowle

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  1. But can you not make exactly the same argument the other way? Or you're saying while it's impossible from the outside to prove he is responsible/had a huge positive impact on anything good, we can definitively prove he is directly or largely responsible for the negative things. Seems to me that it is that line of thinking which, to use your words, is convenient.
  2. If you're not convinced, what would you need to see to think that since his involvement, the Academy set up has improved beyond all recognition? Just, as you say, that his communication improves and he stops being 'delusional'? And that would be more conclusive than, for example, significant increase in standard, first team contribution, and sale value of players produced by the Academy? I think this kind of post is exactly what the OP is talking about when they say that Tins isn't being critiqued on the job that he is doing but instead, at least in part, on a set of OTIB talking points that have now come to be accepted truth on here (snake, grass, idiot, out of his depth, Lansdown yes man, delusional, self-aggrandising, can't string sentence together, blah).
  3. Agree exactly with this. I listened this morning and the listen and what I’d already read on here was very different. The u18 thing sounds like a deliberate decision related to the particular view of this u18 group and what is best for them. A view formed by, whatever everyone here thinks of Tins I hope they would agree, someone that knows infinitely more about youth development than every person on this forum. I don’t think the interpretation that it’s some whimsy of the Lansdowns that is behind that decision is a fair one from what was said. Maybe they think this group would benefit from pushing themselves against elite youth teams or trying to instil a winning culture. The idea that it has affected the first team in any real way is totally fanciful. The rest of it I thought was pretty forthcoming. It was fine. I disagree that it was some irrefutable proof of his incompetence or the terrible state we are in as a mid table championship club.
  4. Yeah, that was a lot better watch than last three. Weirdly, Cornick going off was massive for us.
  5. If there is no harm in it, what's the harm in sticking with Manning?
  6. I always thought Will Buse looked like the better prospect of all the up and coming keepers. Admittedly from little I saw him. Anyone know if he is getting into team at Yeovil? Would hope he’s a few levels above NLS.
  7. There seems more confirmation bias with people's opinions of keepers. It is the position where people seem less open to the idea of professional development - drop a few clangers and you are a dodgy keeper, not up to it, need to be shifted, a problem to solve. Whereas other positions are allowed to be inexperienced and develop, probably because their mistakes don't stand out as much. Max is clearly a good keeper and is demonstrably improving in performance, confidence and presence (same as the two centre backs in front of him). Not only do I not think he needs to be moved on. I also think he is nowhere near his ceiling and he could get very good. Hopefully fans on here can give him some space and not copy and paste the 'we need new keeper to progress' thread after every defeat.
  8. Come on now. They have given us tonnes of credit all night. They are talking about the end of a 25-game unbeaten run because that is an incredible run and it coming to an end is a thing that deserves being talked about. But they haven't gone overboard with that to the exclusion of talking about how well we've played individually and tactically.
  9. Rob Dickie for me but not going to argue with James. Was excellent. But so was everyone. Genuinely best 90-minute performance I can remember from us in years.
  10. Come on now. Without myself fully being on board with the original post, no one can honestly say ‘Manning has barely taken any stick‘ on this forum.
  11. Is that not exactly the outside the box thinking you want though? I mean, if you want another example literally our latest signing was a very highly rated youngster who hadn’t played a game for the team he came up through and has been recruited from a Benelux league. And perhaps, like Summerville, it might take a bit of time for him to adapt and thrive. I’m not trying to be argumentative but I honestly don’t see the 100 appearances in lower leagues model. Mccrorie, Dickie, Knight, Bird - all substantial Champ/SPL experience. In one case an established international. Or your counting Champ as lower leagues? Who did you have in mind when talking about the prototype recruit we now go for? And look, if Summerville is your point of reference, then that means Leeds recruitment is what you’re saying you admire. So what about Rutter? Or Augustin? Or Roca? Or Mckennie? Or Koch? Or Woeber? Or are you just saying you wish we had a player like Summerville? Because that I can get on board with and wholeheartedly agree with.
  12. Slightly off topic but I’ll give you many less examples in 22-23. But post summer of 21 was the 21-22 season and all those away games that were exactly like that last night - Barnsley, forest, sheff Utd, def Birmingham, Blackpool, Fulham and west brom thrashings. But even in 2022-23, there were those games like the two Burnley games or reading away where it just went completely flat and felt defeated throughout. That to me is what last night felt like. Let’s also be fair that Leeds are half decent and full of multi million pound players. Don’t think anyone has a warm and fuzzy feeling right now. But where I differ from a lot on here is that I am pretty optimistic about general direction of travel and am willing to be patient. Hope club are too.
  13. Genuine question - is our recruitment not good at the moment? What's the disappointment exactly?
  14. This is how I feel - I'm fully behind Manning, can see promise in certain things we do, am frustrated by others, but enjoying watching how things might evolve and how what is clearly a sharp young manager might evolve with us. And, personally, I'd love him to have chance to manage a club where all fans are genuinely behind him for a bit. But, I also feel, little point saying it on forum currently because to me this place just feels like a confirmation bias bubble ready to jump on everything and anything to slate club, Manning, JL and Tinns and to eulogise about the glorious football under Nige. That Leeds game last night actually really reminded me of a lot of games under Nige where it felt like we'd accepted we'd just go through the motions against a team demonstrably better than us. Scroll back through the Nige-time match threads for similar sentiments among a wide range of supporters.. I'm writing this not to change any minds and definitely not to get involved in the 'you're wrong' comments that follow. But only to say there are people like me that are nowhere near 'Manning out' and aren't walking through footballing life in despair at Nige's departure and Manning's appointment. There is clearly an attempt to play in a certain way now and when it does work (the three FA Cup prem games) its been better to watch than any City team in a long time. Im even enjoying watching our centre backs really try to stick to the play out from back rules even when they always look like they're a split second from giving the ball away each time they have to pass to a team mate ahead of them. Hope club sticks course and, with the decision made, they ignore the nonsense, back manager for a reasonable period of time, and give their plan a chance. They will have to put up with a section of fan base saying 'top six squad apparently' every five minutes, but if that's enough to sway them then there's no point in them making any plan.
  15. Have some respect for yourself. Jesus.
  16. I thought it was much sooner than that. Immediately after goal, and esp, obviously, after Paqueta injury, we found our feet, calmed down, and started playing. After first 5 minutes I thought it was really even.
  17. Yeah, I was sat with the WH fans and they love him. (They seem to love Kudus more). In fairness, re running away with it, when they scored and Pacqueta was still on pitch, I told my WH mate I was sat with that this might get tough for us and he said he almost guaranteed that there would be points in the game where West Ham fans would be nervous. Which proved right. Think the fans there are used to the team losing control of games that really they should be bossing with the players they have. They also all loathe Danny Ings and booed him when he came on. He had about 4 touches but all really classy - imagine he's still a very good player. Anyway, the fans I spoke with thought we were decent, played nice football, and Max got a lot of compliments for his worldie saves.
  18. Agree. He was brilliant for three minutes. Also didn’t realise how good Bowen is. it’s a really good wham team and we we matched them for all but first five minutes (when pacqueta was on pitch). Coufal basically plays as a right forward but thought Pring and Dickie did really well against him and Bowen.
  19. Pring and Dickie for me. And O’Leary obviously. But williams very good.
  20. It’s all ridiculously childish.
  21. Seems like a bit of a stick to beat him with even when winning.
  22. Yeah all very fair. I don’t want to pretend I don’t have concerns or everything is rosey. And even if it all goes incredibly and we win the playoffs, I will still have problems with some of the comms around axing Nige and that whole briefing around the medical issues with the players. That was grim stuff. But I’ve also slowly come round to sacking Nige not being the worst footballing decision in world if they had a plan. And it seems they had a plan. I Ive always felt on the question of this thread that Steve Lansdown gets less credit than he’s due for the good stuff and way too much vitriol for the stuff that hasn’t worked. And I’ve really taken against the assumption that sacking Nige and brining in Manning already belongs in the catalogue of bad Lansdown decisions just because a lot of people didn’t like it. (Def not saying you’ve ever said that on here btw).
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