havanatopia

Did JJW not go there? I hope he walked or is he clinging to hope of getting paid.

And is there any chance Swindon can start the season?

There are quite a few Italian sides wearing green since they were formed. They are being told to throw away their history.

No doubt if its forced without a revolt, tough call in Italy, other countries will likely follow suit 

Unnecessary tinkering.

Then they will do more studies and say Purple is not allowed.

Being colour blind is not nice, clearly, but is this the right way ?

3 minutes ago, Hxj said:

I think that he has been incredibly successful at tightening up the rules, increasing transparency and keeping the majority of clubs onside.  

I agree to his smoochie talents on the last bit alright. In time they'll see through his salesmanship if not already just biding their time.

As for the first bit... Tightening rules? What rules? And if we assume there are some, actually fit for purpose, using them would be a good start. 

Well, Parry is turning out to be an unmitigated disaster. I estimate there will be plenty more teams breaking similar rules this season knowing full well the little slap on the wrist will be so slight they will barely feel it.

There needs to be a revolution.

22 hours ago, Hxj said:

Apologies, but I simply don't agree with the criticism of the EFL on this. 

The issue always was about FFP and the charges brought in respect of the amortisation were always secondary on the path of did they breach FFP?

If DCFC have not breached FFP then there is no further offence, if they have the charges will run again.

In the meantime, DCFC have an owner who wants to get rid, and no one who wants to buy, plus they are either on a soft embargo (buy players at a wage of less than £600,000 a year), or a hard one (buy no one).  To date no one has come in and a significant part of their squad has left. Currently looking very much like a favourite for relegation.

 

 

The criticism of the FL is on many subjects and on many levels. In the event you are carte blanche dismissing them all then you will find very few agreeing with you.

On public relations and swiftness of action alone they have been utterly useless. That is enough. 

As a direct result as I said before they bring the rules of the game into disrepute. They are a busted flush and need replacing.

You really don't need to go into the minutae; if you act like there is plenty of time, as they clearly have, you will eventually run out of it and then scratch your heads and blame somebody else which is exactly what they have done. 

I remember those quotes. Rumsfeld will not be missed.

As for the Football League. I think this decision effectively kills any respect anyone still had for the governing body and effectively brings the game into disrepute; by its governing body. That has to be a first.

For the FL to come out and say 'insufficient evidence for appeal' is a total lie . It has always been a whitewash exercise from the beginning.

Whatever punishment is dished out will be puny compared to relegating the terminal liars. 

Like I said before 71 members should resign from the governing body, making it immediately defunct, and set up a new one. Derby can go swivel in the sun. 

Parry was supposed to be the tough breath of fresh air. He's just a limp ***** like the rest of them. That meal with Morris in west London was the ultimate stitch up.

You would think no better reason for an Ashton Gate station.

Yet to discount it now by excluding match day figures for football, rugby and basketball, let alone other events, seems beyond naive to me.

Oh its a council! If you cannot get a job in the private sector work for a public body. Dumpsters holding back the regions because they lack intelligence. I cannot think of any other reason. Logic is something crushed by council dictat bollox.

On 27/06/2021 at 03:22, Hxj said:

One day clubs will learn .....

But only when the FL dish out proper punishment. Until then this sort of thing will continue to be routine... So who's up next? 

I am sure it has been discussed; it seems to me an utterly illogical statement for the FL to 'request a re-submission of 2016, 17, and 18 accounts' and somehow word it for us to all be gullible pups and accept that it will be complete before or perhaps up to a month after the season begins. 

First of all there is no prior evidence to suggest Morris will comply and even if he does nothing to expect anything other than a long delay by design. 

Companies House and HMRC no doubt will be waiting in the wings as well. Perhaps they have both been presented with a dossier with overwhelmingly damning evidence. HMRC would have the teeth to wind Derby up. What the toothless FL cannot do they quietly pass the buck for her majesties pleasure.

If you think about it this does not sound implausible by mere token that the request for the accounts vis a vis a minor delay to the campaign is, ie utterly implausible. Everybody knows it is. 

What the point of a pitifully low 100k fine is all about i really don't know but maybe it is part of the bigger picture to come, ticks a box for FL and takes us a step closer to dropping the axe on Derby, the once proud football club now reduced to a pathetic little rump by a criminal. Their fans must hate his guts.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-fixtures-wycombe-efl-5567991

If you scroll down a fair way they talk about the 'appetising' fixtures for Wycombe next year in league 1.

The arrogance of this paper appears to know no bounds. It is a condescending piece of drivel. The journalist needs reporting for a disgraceful put down of a fellow football club.

If I was editor i would be demanding a full retraction followed by a direct apology to Wycombe.

Every week that goes by and they add fuel to the fire. By now they must be the most hated club in the land. No mean feat that. 

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Wasn’t the auditor a life-long Derby fan (no issue with that per se) but with links to Morris?

Well I beg to differ; if you were a clean owner you surely go out of town, well out of town, to recruit your auditor.

The fact Morris did not sums him up quite nicely. The egregious little ogre should be struck off for life from sitting on a board and should be drop kicked into the rough never to return to the beautiful game which he has so blatantly and flagrantly brought into disrepute. Shame on him and all involved. We are likely talking about criminal offences. I hope they all do time.

2 hours ago, Hxj said:

Just to clarify the record - Andersen where found guilty of criminal offences in 2001 following Enron later the convictions were reversed by the Supreme Court.  Neither business now exists.

Polly Peck went bust in 1988 and their accountants were admonished by the regulator.

I used PP as a mere example but thanks for digging around. I was of the view that AA Consulting was still going... No licence to do audits tho.

Shameful that you are blatantly touting Guernsey to all and sundry when SL clearly wants it only for the exclusive use of City. Talk about letting the cat out the bag. Deary me. I don't know.

Some may recall the malfeasance, or so it was labelled and prosecuted as, about 25-30 years ago; Arthur Andersen, and others, submitted accounts, possibly for Polly Peck. In front of the judge they pleaded ignorance to false accounting because, they said, we can only go on the document from the client. The Judge 'laughed' them out court saying they were, at best, complicit, and at worst directly involved in cooking books. After all, he said, how could you sign off a set of accounts that bore no resemblance to any that had been in the previous 5 tax years in which you represented the client; did you not once stop to ask them what is this?

Polly Peck no longer exists of course and AA closed its doors in the UK as Accountants, soon thereafter.

Unfortunately the Football League is like a timid cat compared to the roaring lion of the FInancial Conduct Authority.

On 18/06/2021 at 16:35, Hxj said:

I think it would help some of the delusions if they actually read the cases!

I would imagine that would be somewhat taxing for your average Joe.

Sound bites and headlines is what most stick to, much like glue.

Might be a good idea to merge the other thread with this one mods.

13 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

With the fixtures out a week Thursday it pretty much has to be next week.

Or maybe it's just in one announcement, something like this; "And in Derby's first fixture we see them travel to Whaddon Road for a mouth watering tie with newly promoted Cheltenham Town"

Oh sweet water. I can taste it.

Wooney flapping his arms as he tries in vein to recover a 2 goal deficit with 2 to play. 

I think threads like this help. Well, you never know do you.

An Incredible boy and story.

But 6 years old; it should never happen should it.

Why, with advances in science, are the numbers increasing?

On 09/06/2021 at 11:30, supercidered said:

Ok, so sorting the wheat from the chaff. Are you basically saying the Derby County are innocent or not? Are you saying that the club should not face any sanction of any kind?

When I look at sorting the wheat from the chaff i.e. stripping away all the flannel then the club should face sanctions at least similar to Sheffield Wednesday and Birmingham City. 

My guess is though that due to the amount of smoke and mirrors deployed during this horrible mucky affair that the club will escape sanctions. Then it will be another nail in the coffin of the integrity (if any still exists) of the EFL and football in general. No deterrent means that murky Mel and people / clubs like him will continue to at best bend the rules and at worst show contempt and blatant disregard for the rules.

 

 

I am trying to remember the last club to get away scott free? I am certain every single compliant club will want sanction and rightly so and they will get it. Because if they don't the FL have effectively delivered themselves a P45. The vast majority of clubs will vote to abolish, ignore, call it what you want, the entire Football League governing body and start a new one. And when they do that they should of course revert to its right and proper name THE Football League; none of this self belittling EFL bullshit.

FIFA members failed to walk away and start afresh but I think 72 English clubs will act differently and decisively. Derby will be invited to join but they will need to take their medicine. If they don't they don't join.. no need for an appeal system you just withdraw their membership invitation.

This nuclear option should be proffered to the current 'governing' body charlies ; it should wake them up. if not, ta ta.

On 07/06/2021 at 00:07, Redstart said:

I can't understand why Wycombe and their Lawyers aren't all over the EFL about this. A few points deduction for Derby sees them retain Championship football. On that basis they surely have the right to harass the EFL for a prompt decision. 

On 07/06/2021 at 02:05, Hxj said:

I think that there are a few clarifications needed.

Firstly as regards other clubs and lawyers you won't see any court action.  Part of signing up to the EFL is that you agree to exclusively use Arbitration with no recourse to the courts.

Secondly it is not the EFL which punishes clubs, but the Independent Disciplinary Commission.  That has to meet, listen to the evidence and then agree on a punishment.  That punishment is the subject to appeal by either party. 

Thirdly the added complication in Derby's case is that two charges of breaches of the FFP rules were found proven, one (misleading) by default as Derby admitted it and the second (incorrect amortisation) by the League Appeal Panel.  But they were not charged with a breach of the loss limits as a result, as simply put the EFL didn't know. If Derby are now in a breach of the loss limits then they might needed to be charged again, and then the process starts again.

I doubt that there will be a final resolution until much later in the year.

The EFL certainly could have handled matters better and more effectively, but they did actually pin two proven charges on Derby against fierce resistance.

I'm not sure the delay is going to save Derby for anything more than one season.  It would appear that they are still under a transfer embargo, possibly a hard one by now.  That with a potential significant points deduction in the upcoming season is going to make their life very difficult. 

In spite of all that very useful info H the query by Redstart above still leaves the feeling that a team appears impotent and in a stranglehold due to ridiculous regulation; those regulations might be OK if the governing bodies were fit for purpose. Through silence from Wycombe, it appears they have been advised still not worth the fight. At least not now. In my opinion, that is just plain wrong not least because they may not come back up for some years.

As for Derby getting their just desserts down the track?.. that's all well and good for everybody else but it does nothing for the welfare of Wycombe.

I sincerely hope we see an immediate return for Wycombe and a single finger salute directed to Derby as they go in the opposite direction.

On 07/06/2021 at 11:49, Mr Popodopolous said:

@havanatopia

Catching up with the thread properly now. What's this about Morris and Parry in London? Intriguing development.

47 minutes ago, Banned User said:

You have to assume Stendel believe he has a good case, otherwise he’d drop the charges.

He is willing to come to the UK to see to it that Joey gets his justice.

#JusticeForJoey

From what I have read that is absolutely right. The testimony of that Barnsley youth coach probably makes it a slam dunk. This is just delaying the inevitable, I think.

3 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Booo!

Was he kneeling?

4 hours ago, Jim Davey said:

their a funny old lot them gasheads

To be fair the replies to this guy's rant is almost unanimously one of ridicule to their fellow gas head. 

Always a good idea to have a balanced view, on everything. Oh yeah, it's been shut in the UK for a while now!!!

7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Firstly, apologies to @cidered abroad for the continued digression from the original point of the thread.

Well I started the thread Phil and I am perfectly happy with such digression. We all know ultimately it's coming back to Mel Morris and that Steak with Parry in the West End. It's not gonna go down well. 

9 hours ago, Norn Iron said:

What has personal preference got to do with postings on here? :laugh:.

Some of the best beef cattle in the World also comes from the emerald isle but the rest of the argument currently falls flat until global warming kicks in big time. The Glens of Antrim will grow incredible grapes!

Havana, I've been to the home of the Malbec grape which is Cahors in France! Mind you, a Cahors wine tastes nothing like the Argentina version. What's more the Argentinians  produce a superb Cab Sauv available in the Co-Op....or did when I was last on the mainland.

No I very much understand the origin of Malbec, it's a French word don't you know!! I just much prefer the full body of Argentina.

I always say to myself if I cannot find anything that I know play safe and take a cab sauv.. Chile being a good average.