Point I am trying to make is this, how many times on a night out have you seen a massive brawl involving numerous people, tables bottles ECT and sometimes people getting REALLY hurt? I for one have witnessed similar events a few time. Now take in to account there is cctv everywhere in town, how many of those people do you think had their doors kicked down at dawn? Ziltch I expect. Because all of a sudden, now said offence is committed at a football match (a high profile one at that) its time to go all guns blazing! I expect jimmy Saville didn't get his door booted in. And fine, maybe my dad was not a good example as i am obviously going to be biased so, if you went to Cardiff you must of seen that 40something woman get mulled by that dog for **** all and left? Or, non footy st Paul's "riots" and young girls being battered by these crack teams who pulled up out of the blue, jumped out and swang and anyone they could see regardless of agenda. Riot police cause most of the trouble because it may shock you but, there is a reason why these lot do that job and trust me, its not to keep you "safe". They are the biggest "thugs" half the time, they enjoy hitting people and have found a job they can vent that in, good for them.....poppet.