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  1. Again in thread I posted about a team playing that is offensively conservative and the emphasis on the full backs is on defending v getting forward. It is not necessarily what I would want to watch but given the squad, transfer windows it is what I suggested would get results by being tighter defensively. I could argue that the second goal City conceded yesterday was due to too much change. Numerous players were at fault or unsure of their roles. A ball has travelled forty metres in the air and nobody even attempts to put a forehead on it. The team collectively are not high, low or compact. Error as a result of change is predictable, Mr Johnson has chosen to alter the teams shape.
  2. I have posted previously that although I would like to see the right backs improved upon Pisano-Kalas-Webster-Kelly is the best defensive unit.There is the foundation to City's success this season. Kalas and Webster have been consistently remarkable. As in remarkable for their defending and Websters ability on the ball. That ability on the ball can also be considered a defensive attribute. Webster has been in superlative form at centre back. Mr Johnson has taken the decision to change superb for less than.
  3. The second goal is horrible defending. Its a ball from the half way line and the forward takes it on his chest. There is a LOT a team can do against that, and there are tactical questions to be asked. Would City's former two at centre back not put a head on it? Is the Keeper high enough? Is the shape right?
  4. Why does the forward have a free run on goal from a lofted ball from the half way line? What position do you feel Max O'Leary should take higher or lower? I would say higher in attempt to control the space behind an out of shape team.
  5. He puts himself in a position related to his defenders who let a ball played from the half way line get played over them. If they push up to control the space the forward is offside, if they drop and provide depth they head it. Its the centre back who is in no mans land.
  6. That's a lot of numbers. Your 4-2-3-1 can be 4-3-3. If you play Pack as a pivot in a double pivot you can add tackling ability and industry defending in between lines etc and still play wingers. That is a means of simplifying the ideas (not all) above into a shape. Not saying it is what I would do but your view there does lead logically to trying to harness the ideas into a 4-3-3.
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    What I find interesting in the myriad of threads on this forum is that fans who have very strident views frequently cannot articulate what is they feel improvement is i.e. What is the intent. If I was to break each position down to key qualities x how I feel the team is intending to play Marlon Pack does a more than adequate job. He receives the ball, he retains possession, he releases that possession and repeats that task in a specific role which is defined by that quality. He can add a range of pass to the key elements. And defensively he is sound. Its a player who in my mind is a low priority to replace. The constant stick Marlon Pack receives is typical of fans views of not Marlon Pack but of holding/defensive midfielders in general. Fans regularly do not like the intent itself, do not understand it and often have unrealistic expectations from the player playing in that position. That does sound an arrogant view but Packs position is not a regista etc .. A stick to beat these players with is it keeps going backwards, passing sideways and slowing the game down … Yes, exactly technical and tactical qualities required by the position. It is quite easy to understand that stick.
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    And I highlighted that stats are objective if you design the measurements tools to be so. Opinion and bias can be removed from that measurement. It is a topic removed from normal fandom but analytics in football are necessary.
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    Do you know what norms are v your figures? How often does a player in his position go forwards, sideways and backwards? What is the team intent? Penetrate quickly? Retain and build? Why have you not posted Pack completed 72% of his forward passes? People have bias. We all do. We seek constantly to confirm our existing beliefs and principles and frequently do so without looking at the factual picture. You may above be displaying a negative confirmation bias. Hating stats is odd in football. They are used daily to drive performance. Football analytics are used to objectively look at the true picture. They should be used to not tell the picture you want but the picture as it really is.
  10. The Netherlands were revolutionary for more than pressing. Todays sweeper keepers, pivots, 4-3-3 has it roots in 1974. Yes and no. The game now is far less physical in player to player contact. Players are free to play. The game in its rules is almost incomparable. Those rules have created the less physical game of today. Todays game is softer, almost effeminate in comparison … The physical challenges are different. Messi would score 100 per season in the 1960s … It is a silly proposition. Messi is a product of todays football, La Masia and on. He would not develop in the same manner in the 60's. That did not happen decades ago.
  11. Its worth a watch. You have ignored the points made. So defenders back then were also outstanding!! A good example of team building from the back is the 70's Netherlands. That idea of total football from the seventies is Barcelona's roots. Rinus Michels and Cruyff. It is an evolution of ideas in line with developments in the game. Many of todays defenders are not particularly good defenders because the game requires universality - defenders who are footballers. Yes if a World Cup was played at altitude today and in similar conditions teams at least would drop off and press less. It would not matter if you possessed fitness levels that put you in the unique percentile that is what heat and altitude does to players.
  12. There is a video on youtube called Pele did it first. Pele did the Cruyff term before err … Pele seemingly was performing the same skills as todays players at a exceptional level fifty years ago. The only skill apparently missing is the knuckleball which cannot be performed with a traditional football due to the aerodynamics (panelling) of the ball. Pele was also mentally strong and physically a hard man. A question would be could Messi survive in the physicality of the game of old? Neymar performs many of the skills Pele possessed. Could he survive and display that skill level? Its a silly hypothetical but my view is they would both have to adapt to the physical demands (fouling) or they would wiped out very regularly.
  13. No. Bobby Moore was simply a superb player in any era. Worth any young player studying. However defending even twenty years ago cannot truly be compared to now. The rules have changed and that has meant defending itself has changed significantly. Football evolves. Mexico 1970 saw games played at altitude and in temperatures we in this Country do not play in. The final was played in both. The 1986 Word cup in Mexico was similar. Football adapts to its environment. The Brazil goal vs Italy in 1970. Prime example of building from the back and a full back playing the full length of the pitch to score - A modern goal.
  14. Pele. Seemingly every skill possible he performed in a game where intimidation and attempting to/injuring an opponent was the norm.
  15. I agree with your sentiment as I can only recall once and that was in a non league game somebody wasting time by not allowing the ball outside of the box at a goal kick. For some teams its a bonus. Splitting centre backs can be marked and pressed at the edge of the 18-yard box for goal kicks. Now they cannot be marked and pressing them will become harder. If your good on the ball it creates easy possession to build from with numerical superiority.
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