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  1. I remember when we were at our lowest ebb in Div 4 we had a hard core of 4000 fans who would turn up for home league games no matter what. It puts into perspective our current 'problems'.

  2. 1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

    Firstly, I’m not in the camp of Tins being the bad-guy for everything.

    My beef is predominantly that Manning isn’t the right man - both ability and football style - imho.  And Tins would’ve played a large part in selecting him, and imho has mis-profiled him against the type of football him and JL said they wanted.

    So, it’s not an easy one to answer in your kinda one-dimensional question.  Nor is that a criticism of the question, but that it’s just more nuanced than that.

    My evaluation of Tins as the recommender is ultimately judged on how Manning does…against where I think the squad should be.

    This season, I expected him to carry on the progress being made, so was looking for a finish circa 10th, staying in the play off hunt deep into the season.  Failing that, I expected any regression to be the result of implementing his football style, ie, I’d cut him some slack.

    So far, he’s underperformed on playoff hunt and football style is a mess imho.  For me, I don’t see him changing nor us progressing with how he’s doing things, hence why I’m Manning out.  That is my prerogative, you happen to think people are judging too early.  I think the longer you leave it, the worse it will get.

    But…

    I accept things can change, three simple scenarios, e.g.

    • he does carry on what he’s doing in his way, and we make progress, proving that “time was indeed the healer”, and I’ll hold my hands up
    • we throw money at him in the summer to cover his inadequacies - to me that shouldn’t mean credit for anyone, if anything it proves they got it wrong - don’t forget there was no budget in August when Alex was sold, and the owner told us fans via PA on SOTC that he was no longer willing to stump up the sums he had been each year
    • he does improve us, but by doing it different / playing differently - then I could turn round and say “told you so”, but I’ll at least give some credit to Manning for at least showing adaptability.  I’m not sure Tins gets any credit in this scenario.

    Hope that makes sense?

    The other thing is that Tins has now given us next season’s target, and that is playoffs.  He’s basically said he expects us to be right in the mix next season.

    I will of course wait and see what happens between now and mid-July when the season kicks off, before deciding whether that’s a realistic aim or not.  Just like I did on Manning’s appointment when they made their claims!

    The other area I’ll be judging Tins on is recruitment.  That is nuanced again.  I thought the winter window was 6/10.

    I guess, I could turn the question back on you now.  What your basis for continuing to give Tins credit, and what would it take to make you think the opposite?

    I think it would’ve more appropriate to have an image of Tins in his playing days.  To put him “up-top” alongside Manning (no issue with Manning) and opposite Dicks with an image of his current role is bordering on antagonistic.  They didn’t use an image of Scotty Murray pegging the kit out did they! 🤣

    Maybe I'm a bit different to most on here but I've seen enough positive changes since Manning took over to be optimistic about next season. Although the ppg are roughly the same as before there have been some noticeable changes:

    .   we look more solid defensively

    .  we can put runs of wins together

    .  we are able to beat sides near the top of the league when at our best (which we couldn't before)

    On the negative side, the main issue is we're not scoring enough goals, but this could potentially be addressed in the summer with two or three additions to the squad. I don't expect the owners to throw money at Manning but if as expected Conway goes for say £6m I would expect all of that plus maybe a bit more (say £2m) to get the players we require. I can see why he wanted Twine, in the one game he played he was always looking to play the ball forward and it will be interesting to see if our form picks up once he gets a run of games. We also need a forward player who can hold the ball up, eg a younger version of Chris Martin.

    Regarding Tinnion I always enjoyed watching him as a player and he's also done a great job with the Academy. He's found his new role more challenging but he's always done his best for the club so doesn't deserve the abuse he's been getting from some of the playground bullies on here. He's not so good on the media side so could do with some training in that aspect perhaps but he's fairly new to the job just like Manning so they both deserve more time before people label them as a failure or a success. 

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  3. 16 hours ago, Davefevs said:

    There is a point where someone can say “I don’t want to do the job you’re offering”.  We know from Tins himself he feels he’s deserving of the role…so imho he deserves to be critiqued based on the role.

    That's fair enough but if we make a step improvement next season will you give him credit for his role in appointing Manning? People are judging far too early.

  4. 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

    Multiple Home games have been fairly comatose style wise in this era, results have been bottom 3rd in terms of PPG under Manning. Rather getting the worst of all worlds aren't we, if this is our medium future even more so.

    Home games were pretty dire before Manning arrived, the only decent home win under Pearson was against Plymouth. The only other home game we won was against Coventry and that was extremely fortunate. We lost to Birmingham, Norwich, Stoke and Ipswich. Under Manning we've won 5 home games in the league, so I can't see how things have got much worse?

  5. 35 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

    You do realise that our last 3 wins in 13 games have all been when we have played teams that have had 70% possession? If you can find 4 more teams out of the ones we are due to play in the next 9 games that will have that much possession good luck!

    The only home game that I am in anyway confident about is Rotherham because by then they will be relegated anyway. Leicester will need a win to maintain their push to win the league, so will come on strong, while Blackburn and Huddersfield will both be scrapping for a points. I would be amazed if we get more than 10 points from the remaining 9 games based on recent form.

    I'd have thought the next two against WBA and Leicester, wouldn't we expect them to attack us and have most of the ball?

  6. 4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

    Sorry - just get frustrated with that argument when the schedule was far from unusual. However, even if for arguments sake we say it was, we’ve been worse since we came out of the “congestion” so it kind of nullifies the point!

    It doesn't nullify the point because the injuries we've picked up to Bell, Pring (although back now) and James might well not have happened without those extra matches

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  7. 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

    For the last time.

    At this level, teams will expect to get through the FA Cup third round, and play an average of 50-52 games a season. If you’re being generous, he had two more games tops. It wasn’t congestion - it was a schedule you’d expect more often than not. It is not a valid excuse under any metric.

    And the performance against Forest and West Ham, although good, have to be tempered against the former having also drawn and gone to ET with Blackpool and the latter having all their attackers injured or sent off.

    "For the last time" - you sound like one of my old schoolmasters, I would have replied but it's obviously not allowed!

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  8. To get to the 59 points from last season we need 4 wins from the last 12 which we should achieve fairly easily. In all the stats quoted on here the 4 cup games against Premier League opposition aren't taken into account, they show what we're now capable of but also they must have had a detrimental effect on our league form through the resulting fixture congestion, so it will be interesting to see if our league form picks up now we haven't got that additional burden.

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  9. 9 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

    Thank you for quoting the “official” line from Bristol Sport.

    This will bring great relief and reassurance to anyone who thought otherwise.

    i am certain there is indisputable, hard evidence to back this up.

     

     

    The indisputable evidence was that it IS Mother's Day today and the match took place at lunchtime when most families are out together, but I should have known that only negative comments are allowed on the forum these days!

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  10. There are still 9 games left, if we finish in the top half it will be the first time since LJ left and will be seen as a success. Nobody's going to be sacked this season. Why try and pre-judge failure that hasn't happened yet?

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  11. Just now, formerly known as ivan said:

    No they didn’t, but you said we didn’t allow them a shot on target. It wasn’t that we didn’t allow them a shot on target, they just missed the target. Surely you know the difference?

    I’ve put my reasons as to why I am not happy. Not sure how much clearer I can make it?

    They missed the target because O'Leary was so well positioned they didn't have much to aim at?  Do you count it when we miss too?

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  12. Just now, formerly known as ivan said:

    Didn’t allow them a shot on target? Assume you are joking? They had a couple of clear chances, one particularly in the second half. They just badly missed the target. It had nothing to do with us!

    So you think they had a shot on target? Or are you counting 'nearly on target' too? Why can't you be happy we won?

  13. 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said:

    That was bloody terrible. Literally the worse performance of the season. 

    Unfortunately all it’s done is give Manning breathing space.

    Making that my last visit to the gate this season. Can no longer sit through it and cant celebrate even when they win.

    We did ok second half, and didn't allow Swansea a shot on target, should probably have had more than one with the chances we created. All the people sat round me went home happy, and we can put to bed any thought of relegation now. To say it was the worst performance of the season is ridiculous.

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