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  1. I agree with that and was sort of making the point that, whilst the "Top Six" are extremely unlikely to be relegated any time soon, add on to that the Golden Rule of Top Flight Football which states that Everton NEVER get relegated, and pretty much every other team are potential relegation fodder. Whilst the likes of Leicester have done exceptionally well, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that their bubble could burst in the next few years. It is quite possible that recently promoted clubs that are now doing well such as Wolves and Sheffield Utd. could struggle in the not too distant future. The point I was trying to make, which should give us a measure of hope if we did get promoted, is that their are many clubs in both the Prem and Championship that have experienced both in the past few years, although you would not necessarily class them as "Yo-yo" clubs (some like West Brom clearly are!). I think my use of the word "established" was a bit strong, perhaps "relatively secure but potentially vulnerable" might be more suitable.
  2. Agreed. I think the Prem has changed a lot since the 90s and 2000s when it seemed to be that pretty much any club getting promoted into it was, unless they were a West Ham/Newcastle biggish type of club, viewed as likely to get relegated. The occasional "small" clubs to go up such as Swindon and Barnsley went straight back down, Bradford City managed to pull off a miracle and survive for 2 seasons. Somewhere along the line the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Watford, Palace and Burnley got up there and got established. I think the so called "top six" Mancs, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have pulled away (not so much this season) and the rest are much of a muchness. If we were to go up, we are so unpredictable that we are just as likely to do a Sheffield United or Wolves, as we are to do a Norwich. The fun would be watching us having a go in the best League we can be in. And if it went pear shaped, the financial incentive with parachute payments would help us trying to get back, although they don't seem to have done Sunderland, Stoke or Huddersfield much good. But, as another who has great memories of the late 70s in the 1st Division, I just want to see us in the top flight again, as you do. To be honest I find it difficult to understand any fan who does not want it.
  3. I was there, what a great win! Also went to the junction off the M5 for the original fixture on a Saturday afternoon, which was postponed because the City squad did not have enough fit players a load of them had got the flu, after receiving their flu jabs the week before (at least that was the official line!) Bear in mind this was pre internet days and we were playing cassettes in the car rather than listening out for sports news on the radio, so had no inkling until the local plod flagged us down as we were in sight of the Hawthorns. Ended up going to see Birmingham v Norwich, which was a bit of a borefest (albeit a top flight game), ended up 1-1. Main thing I remember about that game was a crunching , "make-the-crowd-shudder" tackle by Kenny Burns on Norwich's Ted McDougal (who scored for Norwich IIRC). But the WBA v City game was incredible, it was thought before the game that the winner would get promoted at the other team's expense, but WBA ended up going up in 3rd place, we were 2nd and Sunderland top.
  4. Yes, forgot about our terrible record at Molineux. As at Elland Road, even when we had a lead in a recent game, also 2017/18 Wolves nicked an equaliser at the death. I remember we always seemed to do OK against them in the 70s, when they were one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the country. Just took a look at our head to heads in the 70s and was astonished to see that we played them 10 times (including THAT FA Cup tie) and only lost once, winning 3 times at Elland Road (see below). On the flip side of this we have won our last 5 at Fulham, if you include the Carabou Cup tie. It really is a weird one to explain when you consider the change in personnel of the team over a 2 or 3 year period, let alone nearly a century of going to Molineux! 16 Feb 1974 Bristol City v Leeds United D 1-1 FA Cup 19 Feb 1974 Leeds United v Bristol City W 0-1 FA Cup 30 Apr 1977 Leeds United v Bristol City L 2-0 League Division One 10 May 1977 Bristol City v Leeds United W 1-0 League Division One 08 Oct 1977 Bristol City v Leeds United W 3-2 League Division One 04 Mar 1978 Leeds United v Bristol City W 0-2 League Division One 09 Dec 1978 Leeds United v Bristol City D 1-1 League Division One 28 Apr 1979 Bristol City v Leeds United D 0-0 League Division One 18 Aug 1979 Bristol City v Leeds United D 2-2 League Division One 03 Nov 1979 Leeds United v Bristol City W 1-3 League Division One
  5. Elland Road is just one of those grounds where we lose, since we started playing them regularly again since 2010. The only time we looked like we might win was 2 years ago in the game on Sky, where we were winning 2-0 early on (2 goals following long throws from Maggers IIRC) yet we still only drew 2-2, nearly lost it at the end!. We also did not beat Forest hoe or away between 1974 and 2011, despite playing them a lot, once we beat them the hoodoo was over. The other major bad away record was Bramall Lane, where we had not beaten Sheff Utd since around 1958. We won 2-1 in the first game of Cotts promotion season, and I am sure we won the 2 games we played up there since!
  6. It really does sum up certain elements on OTIB that you have made it quite clear from the first and last sentences of your post that this thread is for a proper football discussion, not just the childish "yah! boo!" antics that threads often descend into, and yet one poster comes on here banging on about his nuts and pyjamas, with no apparent sense of irony ! When I was scrolling down the thread I did expect a few WUMs giving some insults just for a laugh, but Pyjama Boy obviously did not quite get it. Good post though, you have summed up the pros and cons of LJ very well. I stated in a post just after Shrewsbury had beaten us in the cup that I think he is a great manager when we are winning and he does my head in when are losing. A very simplistic view I know, but surely we are all sort of like that. I can't believe the number that don't want him to bring success to the club, equally if we got to a stage when we stop progressing he position must be questioned, the same as any manager that we have had.
  7. You are absolutely right, you must have dreamt this. Brum had 4 corners, he did not catch any of them, or even get close to them.
  8. Thought he was playing great until Millwall at home when he suddenly seemed to lose his confidence in claiming crosses, set pieces etc. I can't remember the last time I saw him actually catch a cross, if he gets there first he tends to give it a punch away, which obviously there are times when that is the best thing to do. I still think he is a bloody good keeper, and 4 clean sheets prior to tonight would back that up, but he does seem to have a bit of a lack of confidence with high balls into a crowded box.
  9. Yes, I remember that quote. Couldn't help thinking that, although he gets some credit for keeping us up for one season, he added about another 30 (mainly mediocre) players to that number, without getting rid of many of the ones he was complaining about!
  10. This is as good a representation of the events at the time that I have seen on here, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head.
  11. You, and the others who have pointed out the truth and facts of how this whole A8 saga played out, have hit many nails on the head, and yet we still have this ridiculous song about "8 men had a dream". They were all having nightmares on the pitch, as we fell from Division 1 and were fast approaching Division 4 with these players at the core of these abysmal performances and results. As you say, 5 of those players were integral to our promotion and/or performed admirably in the top flight. My personal opinion is that I would add David Rodgers to the 5 as his partnership in central defence alongside Norman Hunter in 78/79 was extremely effective, I would also say that Geoff Merrick was brilliant in getting us to the top flight, but he suffered being shuffled out to left back, and then lengthy spells out of the side due to injury. However, by 1982, as shown by the results and league position, these players were way past their best, and basically bleeding the club dry, as the administrators quickly realised that their contracts were unsustainable. It always makes me laugh/cry that anyone could seriously consider Aitken and (especially) Marshall to be Bristol City "heroes". I also think that if OTIB/Social Media had existed at the time, the view of the 8, and their performances in 1981/82, would have been torn to shreds by most on here. But back then we were drip fed news by the EP and local media (and in this case the national media) tended to make out the Ashton 8 as the victims and therefore the heroes who "saved" the club. As has been said, and nobody likes to see anyone lose their job, they had no choice, if the club had folded, they would not have got a penny in compensation. I don't think anyone who sees the 8 as visionaries with a "dream to save our team" wants to hear the truth about what happened. There has not been one serious counter argument to the "alterative" view from a few of us on this thread who were obviously there at the time (not just as kids under the age of 10), but quite a lot of happy-clappy "we must name the stadium after the A8" nonsense. I also get the impression that, as NTB alluded to, that many on here have had the story handed down to them, and don't want the facts to get in the way of their perception of this part of our history.
  12. As you say, explains it all, from e-mails from EasyJet to Spaghetti Hoops!
  13. If those players are half as good as Ryan Kent was for us, we are missing a footballing treat!
  14. For 6 clubs (Mancs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal) these will be high profile games that we would take in our stride as members of the same league and they will, give or take, be playing their strongest teams, and we will be competing for premier league points, which will be fantastic. Pretty much every other team currently in the Prem (with the exception of Everton and possibly Bournemouth) we have played in the league in the last decade. The "magic" of the FA cup has long gone. When we last got promoted to the top flight it was brilliant to play the top clubs in front of full houses, but the reality is that most of the time you are playing teams like (with all due respect), Brighton, Watford, Palace and Burnley. We had our glamour cup run 2 seasons ago, which was fine, but promotion to the Premier League has to be our priority.
  15. I was disappointed to lose to the Shrews, but I really think we have dodged a bullet here (other than financially). The media circus would have been in full flow, a full house would have turned up to see the mighty Liverpool fielding, well, probably a team with no players that anyone has have ever heard of.. Not that I would blame them, it worked against Everton. I would take the 3 points from the Barnsley game that has now given us some momentum for a play off place, over a big FA Cup tie any day.
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