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  1. Swansea City at home in the FA Cup match thread

    in The Havanatopia Match Day Archive

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    12 minutes ago, lenred said:

    Was there any actual incident?  

    It was fantastic to have some atmosphere down there and added to a much better second half so hopefully our ‘esteemed Chairman’ will see that as a big positive (if indeed he takes any notice at all any more!) 

    I met someone who has direct communications with JL at Coventry away (would be unfair to name them here), and he told me that Jon was actively against ‘vocal’ areas or any kind of expansion/change to the fan setup. He said that JL wanted to shut Section 82 down on numerous occasions last season. Sometimes for as little as bad language. 

    When you hear that you realise the current atmosphere is exactly what the club wants. Sounds conspiratorial to suggest they’ve been purposefully diluting atmosphere over recent years but it’s 100% the case. 

    So that’s what I was referring to when I said Jon would be raging. 

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  4. Average away followings so far this season

    in Football Chat

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    3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

    I stuck up for our home support the other day. But have to be even-handed, and obvious excuses aside, those away numbers are not good. 

    I wonder if it's as simple as our home attendance has increased so much over the past few years that people just choose to do more home games than away. 

    I think it’s as simple as a North West heavy league with mode of our ‘local’ fixtures still to come. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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  5. Assuming he goes

    in Football Chat

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    I don’t think Scott and Semenyo leaving is as far off, or as potentially disastrous as the consensus seems to suggest.

    25m for the two of them could reset the club. How long can we go on being a hugely imbalanced, square pegs in round holes type team relying on a couple of players to keep us slightly competitive? Perhaps this might not be the window to do it, but we are not moving in a cleanly upward trajectory anyway.

    We need to take unpopular decisions to move forward and that probably means selling players at a stage most fans believe to be too early. Imagine if we had taken the high offers for Maynard before our finances plummeted, or more recently the 8m for HNM, we would be far more comfortable right now. 

    Imo, particularly given his contract situation, Semenyo must be sold this window if there’s an offer above 10m, and Scott early in the summer. We need to take a more level headed approach to players leaving given our situation. How can we ever expect to ‘build a team around them’ when we are picking exclusively from the free agent market? We will simply go on as we have done for the past two seasons. It’s time for the sales of our valuable assets and a refresh. 

     

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  8. Antoine

    in Football Chat

    Posted · Edited by Bouncearoundtheground

    On his day, he is as close as we have to an unplayable striker. He’s lit up games in a way no attacking player has come close to here since Bobby Reid. He’s worth persevering with and is still a hugely valuable asset, both on the pitch and in terms of a sale. Talent like that doesn’t disappear overnight. I don’t think we should accept peanuts in Jan. 

    Perhaps we’d do well to remember he is still a novice in professional terms and has not had the benefit of academy football from a very young age. Imagine a boxer going pro with a small number of amateur fights, they will need to learn on the job, iron out inconsistencies and mistakes over a much longer period of time than someone with a wealth of top level amateur experience. But, as stated before, the raw talent is so high and rare that they are worth the investment. Even on an off night Semenyo will always give defenders lots to think about, to be wary of, to distract them. They had two or three on him on most occasions he had the ball last night. 

    Plus, we are not talking about a maverick type who will have one superb game in five, but be generally unreliable the rest of the time. Once he plays himself into form, gets that little nudge of confidence, it sticks, and pays off for us immensely.

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  9. Sack or keep Nigel Pearson

    in Football Chat

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    17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

     

    Those are the hard facts of the situation.  I don’t care if people are Nige In, Nige Out or Nige Shake-it-all-about, but this is the context.  Thank **** for the Academy.  This is what the new manager inherits if you want Nige out.  Fine if you do.

    We signed players for too big a fee and for too high wages.  Until virtually all of those players are off the books or on current climate contracts we are in a mess.

     

    Out of the 5 points of sustainability the club pledged 9-10 years ago, the things we since have stuck to are now thriving, and one of those - the academy - has indeed saved us from relegation or worse. 

    The ones we abandoned have put us in an eerily similar mess to the chaos we were in during those years, the chaos which forced these pillared pledges of sustainability in the first place.

    It is a confused, complicated, contradictory, and as you rightly say - harrowing - situation. Harrowing that we have made the same dangerous, progress arresting mistakes, in different dresses and to different levels of severity, for as long as I have been supporting the club. 

    I’ve liked the noises coming out of Nige since he arrived because he has been telling us he recognises the mistakes we have made - mistakes which can summarise the ones we have continually made in the past - and that he has diagnosed the fix, and is beginning the overhaul. In a similar vein to O’Driscoll, who is well credited for laying solid groundwork by many involved with the club at that time, I think he has done very good things, and set the wheels in motion for some long overdue changes at our football club. But, as was the case with SOD, I also believe he has taken us as far as he can on the pitch before the situation becomes untenable, irreversibly damaging and toxic. 

    I fully appreciate that you are right to point out this awful mess and the restraints he is working under, but feel like a new manager, a fresh energy, an attempt to stop a spiral, is now what the club needs. 

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  10. “Maybe it’s a good thing for us to play away from home, it was a game where we really needed the fans”

    in Football Chat

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    8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

    That is a MASSIVE if!!

    Why are you putting in quote marks those words when he didn’t say that?  Bit weird 

    An attempt to highlight the ridiculousness of Pearson’s words in any other working scenario. Fairly obvious I would assume? 

    “Booed off bigger stadiums”, what a ridiculous thing for a football manager to say about his own supporters. I mean come on. It’s Barton, “I’ve scaled higher mountains” esque shite that I’m used to ripping the Gas for. It’s embarrassing us. 

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  11. Who?

    in Football Chat

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    Gareth Ainsworth is the best shout I’ve seen. Within our reach, used to working under constraints and getting the best out of players. But is he really more appealing than Pearson? 

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  13. “Maybe it’s a good thing for us to play away from home, it was a game where we really needed the fans”

    in Football Chat

    Posted · Edited by Bouncearoundtheground

    Overreaction to the ‘blaming fans’ scenario. However if he’s said the ‘bigger stadiums’ comment, he is old and wise enough to know exactly how that will be construed. He claims he can take it but at the first bit of serious flack aimed his way he’s very clearly bothered. 
     

    And simply saying the phrase ‘I take responsibility’ in the middle of 6 minutes of blaming everything and everyone else is not taking responsibility. 

  17. 3 not offered deals..

    in Football Chat

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    8 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

     

    Nige said today in his press conference that HNM has made the decision to “run the clock down”.

    Also went on to say that upon arriving at the club, They highlighted HNM as someone who could be sold for a decent fee, but no offer was forthcoming.

    Lots of insightful information in todays press conference. 

    James Piercy was excellent 

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