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  1. 36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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    FWIW, it’s interesting to hear his response to the clean sheets question.  He’s an analytical coach, but decided to not give an analytical answer.  I have no problems with that either, was just interesting that when we were struggling he did refer to (paraphrased) “the numbers being better than the results”.  A manager’s prerogative to spin things a little.

    As you know I like my 6-game rolling averages, and the last block of 6 (Ipswich to Sunderland) had 4 clean sheets but our worst amount of xG conceded since he LM took over (8.00 xGC).  If you want to take out the Ipswich game, then 5 games had 5.99 xGC which is above his average.

    The perverse world of football!

    But as FNQ says to escape Leicester and Sunderland with shut-outs was less down to on-the-grass time, more Max’s excellence.  Of course a game like Cardiff (h) 0-1, should’ve been a 0-0 really, so a non-analytical “swings and roundabouts” maybe?

    What is the slight concern for me is the growing trend of number of both shots conceded and amount of xG conceded.  Usually the “results” catch-up the trend.

    Or maybe we have a “Lucky General” in charge, one who will outperform the numbers.  And I don’t mean he’s lucky, just using the term loosely.

    When Napoleon Bonaparte was criticised for winning battles simply because of luck, he famously retorted: “I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones.” More than a hundred years later, Eisenhower reaffirmed this point by saying: “I'd rather have a lucky general than a smart general. They win battles.”

    Can't remember who said it, but there's also that quote....."The more I practice, the luckier I get !!"

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  2. 4 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

    Haven’t been to Ashton Gate since NP was sacked, will not give the club my money anymore. 
     

    Live in Manchester and spend my time helping/working for a non league side, the ex pros who watch and play at this level cannot believe we got rid of NP and PA. They all mention how much of a car crash our club is now and how we are now a running joke at how bad we are run. 
     

    When NP and PA were there we were held in high regard and according to these ex pros players will not be signing for us in the summer. This is due to the regard we are now seen as a club and they all believe we are heading one way unless we have a big clear out top to bottom.

    It bloody annoyed the hell out of me listening to the West Brom commentary, and no matter how biased that Andy Johnson was (dirty gashead b*****d) - there was elements of truth to what he was saying. We aren't very good, and the perception of how we're being run isn't very good either. I hope the board members listened to that, because we're turning into a laughing stock, with ex-gas taking the piss.

  3. 10 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

     

    The problem is that outside of the top premiership clubs who make money football clubs aren't comparable to other PLCs with vast numbers of shareholders and independent board members because they are hugely loss making and rely upon a single large shareholder putting ?£10m a year in, or whatever, to keep them solvent.

    If I owned a club and it was personally financing it to that degree then I wouldn't be giving other board members the power to overrule me.

    The ideal is probably a Scott Davison type Chairman bringing in, as he did, wealthy individuals as shareholders and directors to fund the club and make decisions collectively.

    SL has said he is open to new investors coming in so maybe that will happen and SL will take the Scott Davison role, until then he's paying for everything so he's going to make the decisions.

    I would do that, anyone would do that.

    Can't really disagree with any of that. 

    I suppose ultimately it all boils down to the trust that SL has with JL to run the club in the best possible way. At this juncture, it's very much looking like someone else could do a better job, but saying that, when SL had other CEO's running the club he had his fingers burnt - so I suspect there are trust issues there.

  4. 8 minutes ago, Mattredrobin said:

    Not sure you can suggest that the lansdowns heart is not in the right place, Steve Lansdown has provided so much for this club we should be massively grateful.

    I can categorically say that I am NOT suggesting the Lansdown's heart hasn't been in it, because I think they have put a lot of time, effort and money into the club, I just feel they're just losing their sense of direction nowadays and aren't reading the room any more.

    I'm merely commenting on Scott Davidson's previously putting his heart into the roll. Please don't infer it any other way.

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  5. Not sure if this is the correct thread to be placing this comment, but I wonder if Scott Davidson would be open to coming back as Chairman, with JL moving into a different position i.e. President etc.

    Always thought that Scott had the ambition and communication skills for the role. He never got things 100% right, but his heart was in the right place, and he's still heavily involved with various Bristol City related projects still.

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  6. Not too sure I should be posting this, as I would be one of the fans severely affected by this suggestion, but here goes nevertheless.

    Next season, if we have a home cup match in the league cup, how about making the whole of South South unreserved seating - still guarantee season ticket holders can get a ticket in that stand, but make it unreserved. The likelihood is that the game won't be a sell out, so we should be able to absorb the 10% less tickets available.

    It might just be the ideal test bed to see if there's a demand for unreserved seating in that stand?

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  7. 10 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

    If we continue to believe that changing one person waves a magic wand we will get the same results. The club requires a top-to-bottom review of all of its operations.

    But you need someone to lead that who understands elite sport/business and there will be a need to rock the boat. 

    I cannot see that happening under the current ownership. In 2 decades it has not transpired, so why would it start now? 

    If we carry on, along the same route we are currently travelling, we will be revisiting L1. 

    I'm glad you mentioned that.

    Bath Rugby I believe, after a torrid number of years, brought in someone to evaluate their club...might have been a consultant or someone from Saracens (I'm not entirely sure as i dont follow rugby in too much detail), but since that process a year or so ago, their performances have been much better, and they're towards the top end of the table.

    Question is though, from a footballing perspective, who would you choose? Maybe the Brighton owner? Dunno

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  8. Why does it have to be someone new?

    Swallow his pride, and Lansdown needs to go and get back the previous coaching set up.

    Our squad has been built for their philosophies, so let's attempt to get things back on track.

    I'm suspecting there's been some "tensions" between NP and others, so look to resolve those, either by letting someone go, change/revert their positions, or recruit accordingly.

    Can't we make Jon Lansdown an honourary president or something, and bring in a proper chairman? Likewise, bring in a proper experienced CEO and get Tinnion back to what he's good at.

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  9. 1 minute ago, old_eastender said:

    For me a bigger question is why only 1 player in the wall, made it so easy for them to whip the ball in.

    Exactly this. It was right footer crossing, so the wall could've stepped once to the left with two people in it.

    Reminded me of the goal Liverpool scored vs Forest last weekend in injury time. So it should've been fresh in our players minds.

  10. 4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

     

    So now we go get in an experienced manager who will demand his own team and his own way of doing things.

    Obviously not Nigel, that would be too embarrassing for the owners, but someone of similar experience.

    Or we get in another "yes man" who will involve us in an annual relegation battle during their tenure before departing for Sunderland.

    Maybe it is time to ditch the wishful thinking and trying to copy the clubs who have passed by us on their way to the Premiership and start doing what actually works.

    If you have to have an inexperienced coach in then they need an experienced DoF to guide them, or you just get in a very experienced manager.

    Every managerial appointment this century has been a hopeful gamble with IMO two exceptions: Gary Johnson and Nigel Pearson.

    And of the hopeful gambles only Cotts was actually successful.

    If they did eat humble pie and genuinely admitted they got it wrong, and brought back NP, I'd be fine with it. In some ways they'd be building a lot of bridges with the fans. I do accept that there will be fans, who would label them and never accept the back tracking.

    What I will say, is that none of the other managers I can remember in my time (since ~1989 for me) from following City week-in, week-out has EVER played the amount of Academy players that NP did.

    Tinnion argues that he want's to see a pathway from academy to the 1st team, but all I'm seeing is retrospective backward steps !! Sure, I'd still want to see new signings, whether that's for NP or LM, but I also want to see the level of academy players come through like we saw during NP's reign, and under LM that doesn't appear to be happening.

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  11. Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

    The Police/Safety Advisory Group on the last 2 cases.

    The club honestly needs to be arguing back to them. Make both games a Saturday only, or Sunday only, and make it a 1:30\2pm kick off. Minimise the amount of disruption to local grass roots.

  12. 15 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

    This is the danger. Bore Ball will ultimately lead to people doing other things on a Saturday or not making that extra effort after work in midweek. Once that starts happening people find they aren't missing it as much as they thought they would. Then the club is in trouble. Sometimes I have commitments on a Sunday that make attending games difficult - as it happens I'm free next Sunday but if I had my other commitments I wouldn't have been bothering after that mess served up yesterday. 

    I coach an U14s youth team. A lot of my players are season ticket holders, and likewise our opponents next Sunday are season ticket ticket holders also, and so a 10:30am kick off for us makes a 12:30 kick-off vs Swansea extremely difficult.

    All week we've been scrabbling around trying to rearrange next weeks fixture to another day, but with the snow\rain on the weekend just gone cancelling fixtures, the likelihood of the Avon Youth League allowing us to have a free Sunday next week is probably non-existent!! Therefore we've changed our tact and we're now looking at an early kick-off of 9:30am, but that still doesn't help any fans who are upwards of U15's and kick off at 2pm.

    I don't know who signs off of the kick off days and times at City, but with 12:30 kick off's on a Saturday followed by a 12:30 kick off on a Sunday the following week isn't doing anything to help the grass roots junior footballers who play on weekends. Talk about burning the bridges with all the Saturday and Sunday league footballers !!!

  13. Fundamentally, if we brought someone in to help LM, they'd want to introduce their idea's, riding roughshod over LM's views - basically, it wouldn't supplement LM, but effectively be a new manager!

    If LM is the student of the game that he alludes to, then he needs to study the approach where we've had our most successful results this season i.e playing 4 at the back, playing 433, fast\pressing\counterattacking football. Caveat: Think we're screwed without Sam Bell myself, so we may have to revert to a top two of Wells\Conway, or maybe play Conway, Wells, and\or Sykes\Knight\Mebude as a front pressing 3.

    All he needs to do, is get through to the summer, and then all his new signings can be brought in, and all the old guard can be sent on their way. The buck will well and truly rest on his, Tinnion's and Jon Lansdown's shoulders then though.

  14. 2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

    Holding secret talks with Steve Cooper if you were JL and BT?

    Nope, If I was Jon Lansdown, I'd stop acting chicken, swallow my pride and get back the previous coaching regime.

    Quick question, are we still paying them off?

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  15. 3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

    Going by his history of posts since ‘newly’ 🤔  joining I’m not sure which but I’d go for the former

     

    The fact he appreciates FD and not Pearson is ......🤣

     

    FWIW Diedhiou’s eyes were always elsewhere IMO , and it was completely apparent he was never signing a new contract

    Should have been moved on after 12 months IMO - he was the probably biggest obstacle to LJ possibly progressing things IMO

    Diedhiou was also offered apparently the highest ever contract according to Mark Ashton at the time, and he still never signed it, which implied to me he'd already checked out of remaining with us.

  16. 24 minutes ago, 2015 said:

    It still hurts to see Brentford play at their new Ground. Griffin Park was such an iconic little stadium steeped in history. I almost think getting rid of Grounds like that should protected by English Heritage.

    I saw today that Griffin Park used to have a 14,000 capacity terrace behind their goal called the royal Oak end, that helped contribute to an overall capacity of 38,000 back in the day.

    That terracing eventually got replaced with that small two tiered stand behind the goal.

  17. Bit meh for me. Probably won't boo, unless he scores and gives it to us.

    Most likely be a polite round of applause before the match and then noting else during it.

    I appreciate his goals for us over the years, but didn't appreciate him downing tools in the last few months of his time with us.

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  18. 47 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

    With respect, when Holden was sacked we had 39 points from 30 games and were closer to the play offs than the relegation zone.  After he was sacked, we took 12 points from our remaining 16 games (W3 D3 L10), including 0 wins, 3 draws and 7 defeats in our last ten games.

    I’m not saying there shouldn’t have been a change of manager, Holden was after all on a poor run of six defeats in all competitions, but the notion that Pearson saved us from relegation is far-fetched in the extreme.  Only 44 points were needed to avoid relegation that season and we already had 39 when Holden was sacked so we actually only needed 5 more points to be safe.   What happened was that our position deteriorated considerably after Holden was sacked, but thankfully not enough to see us relegated.  

    I see similarities between what Sean O'Driscoll was asked to do, and what Nigel Pearson was asked. Both were asked to save us from the downward slope, and at the same time go through a cost cutting exercise as the coffers were bare.

    At no time during the season NP took over (or the following season) we're we ever really close to relegation. In hindsight he kept us comfortably above relegation working with the players he had at his disposal.

    All the while, he was trimming the fat, and slowly and gradually improving us. We went from a long ball\target man style of football by playing the ball up to Chris Martin to slowly transforming into a counter attacking side.

    Before he left us, I was starting to see the shoots of him trying to turn us more into a possession based side, but he was aware that we didn't have those players available at the time, hence why he was so disappointed to lose Alex Scott and not have a replacement come in. Even NP back in the day said things weren't progressing as quickly as he would've liked - but he was aware of the trajectory the team was on. In fact no, not just the team, but the club as a whole.

    In comparison, we went down with a whimper under Sean O'Driscoll (and previously the same with Derrick McInnes) - so I cannot understate how good a job NP did for us.

    I'm happy to give Manning his chance, and he started off alright-ish. I could see a pattern of play, and how everyone knew what their jobs were coming out of defence, being patient by recycling play when options weren't on, when to press, and when to go long with that killer ball. However, the last two games, we've lost our way - tbh, I thought the first half of QPR was ok - by the second half, and the substitutes he brought on didn't change our approach at all, it was more of the same but with lesser players.

    I agree to extent what a few people have been saying. We lack that plan B under Manning, it's just a case of "we'll play my way, and my way only", and he just makes like for like changes. The only time I've seen a change from that approach was a few weeks ago, when he reverted to two back up top midway through a game, was it Coventry away?? Sam Bell being injured is gonna impact us massively, as he's the only one with lightening pace (Mebude aside) who can really scare the opposition.

    I think someone mentioned on another thread. We've had our best results when we've played 4 at the back, and so LM needs to get back to that, and to play fit players - without the stating the obvious too much !!

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  19. I must say, I love seeing these different pictures of John Atyeo. It would be great if there was a pinned thread where all the photo's could be recorded of him. After all, he is arguably the greatest ever Bristol City player.

    A lot of the time, it's the usual pictures you see of him, but this one is a bit different, and I like it 🙂

  20. On 22/02/2024 at 13:53, Hamdon Mart said:

    It's a bit of a dilemma IMO re the stadium capacity. The two venues they can use are obviously hugely different in size; it's either AG with 25k seats or the HPC with 500+ seats plus, what, another 1k of standing. 

    Ideal venue would be 3-4k with the ability to make some profit on the day in a decent stadium with good facilities. 

    Would hope that BS would take a long term view and maybe take a small hit on the finances to offer them AG at reduced rates in order to re-grow the club again next season. 

    It would make sense to maybe put terracing down the TV gantry side of the pitch, and behind the goals, that's three or four steps deep.

     

    I suppose the bigger issue would be other things like, having turn-styles, crowd control barriers\gates, planning permission, and suitable travel arrangements

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  21. 2 minutes ago, trickytimes said:

    It was decided by goal average - number of goals scored divided by the number of goals conceded.

    I quite like the sound of that, as without thinking about it too much, seems to calculate a proportional representation of how your defence compares to your attack.

    Is there any downfall to this calculation compared to goal difference, or goals scored etc?

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