NickJ

That post should be pinned.

He gave Scott his debut, fairly sure Semenyo too or at least developed him. Wasnt Kalas injured most of the time? Palmer was a waste of space but hey Lee frickin Johnson paid £4m for him so he must be good. Nakhi is so good he's scored one goal this season. Will give you Weimann, DaSilva and Bentley, but your conclusion on NP is way off. Agree with everything else you say though, and BTW @Kid in the Riot isn't the only one thats been saying it for years.

I think the point being made Harry is that with a Top 6 quality squad at his disposal, he could have impacted the effect of their 4 subs before they even made them.

There's always hope. Or, as I always said to my kids, there aren't problems, just solutions waiting to be discovered.

Wrong again mate, no slant, just my opinion. Crayon Boy isn't a bias, its sympotmatic of my disdain and contempt.

Just FYI mate an opinion isn’t a bias

Danny Wilson Good manager, 48% win ratio for us. I personally felt pride watching his team from 2000-2004 which often had 5 Bristolians sometimes 7, playing attractive football. Castigated for the play off disater, but it was one mistake and he was steadily building and improving each season. Persuaded by Brian "trust me on Tins" Tinnion that Danny was a wrong un. What might have been. Gary Johnson Good manager, good apppointment. Victim of his own nepotism which Lansdown should have stepped in and sorted but didn't, culminating in that incident at Plymouth. Steve Coppell The coup that never was. Allegedly realised the owner would be a meddler and left with his bags before even unpacking them. Steve Cotterill What can you say. Don't need to. Except, shafted. Should have been supported but by then nepo boy was on the horizon and Crayon Boy was his mate, and so it came to pass that a managerial imbecile with a win rate of 37% in the 3rd division was showered with gifts in the Championship. Nigel Pearson Achieved different things in different ways. On paper, given mediocre results, unprecedented support from a fan base that recognised what he was doing and had done. Treated disgraefully, replaced though by a manager who apparently would get the most out of our "top 6 quality" squad. And so now Liam Manning. Didn't want him, hard to warm to him. And yet. Win rate of 48% at Lommel, MK and Oxford. 29% for us. Why? Is the step up too much? Has Crayon Boy put too much expectation on him? Will he come good? Is there hope?

Sort of Will if we both heard the same thing but doesn't change the Maguire/Gray situation.

Cotts had deals lined up to sign Harry Maguire and Andre Gray, the fees agreed were very high by our standards at the time but bargains, both subsequently scuppered by the directors. Some will say we couldnt afford the fees - but we subsequently paid more for Massengo, for Kalas, for Baker, and so on. You want proof?

You are both wrong, Cotts was shafted, big time, because he was too popular for the Lansdowns liking, and because Crayon Boy wanted his mate in charge. Backed properly as he deserved to be we wouldn't have been in that position.

Agree mate but too wordy, cut it down to what it boils down to. "Cotterill worked with an experienced Chief Scout and identified the best available players and signed them to fit a way of playing that HE wanted". Cotts was the best manager we've had since Terry Cooper or maybe Gary Johnson, our idiot directors shafted him sacked him and appointed a clown. "Get out there and employ a manager with cahuna’s, one with a CV that demands respect from his players, " Did that with Cotts, did that with Nige, couldn't wait to get rid of both of them. "We need a board of directors" Repeat repeat repeat - We need a board of directors We need a board of directors We need a board of directors We need a board of directors - and that doesnt mean Crayon Boy who thinks appointing "young and upcoming managers" - Lee fricking Johnson and Liam for ***** sake" is clever. It isn't, it's idiotic. Our model is shit. And we will get nowhere with it. Nige summed up our model perfecetly when he called out the idiocy of a football club whose stated raison d'etre is to sign players from lower clubs and sell them at a profit.

Needed 5and actually got 12. Not only that, 6 points from the first 2 games and 9 points from the first 5, putting us on 48 points with 10 games to go. Something changed qute dramatically - we'd previously had 6 straght defeats. So when you say "our position deteriorated considerably after Holden was sacked, but thankfully not enough to see us relegated", well, that's misleading because the way things were going with Holden, relegation was a distinct possibility, whereas within 5 games Pearson had put that to bed. And those last 7 games you mention, looking to the future, gave debuts to Tommy Conway, Alex Scott, maybe more? Sort of demonstrates why many of us could see what he was doing, steadily building.

Fair enough but it’s all part of the same underlying issue isn’t it and of course I haven’t even mentioned maybe the worst of the lot the nepotism of the owner making a complete clown in charge of the major decision making process. In what other world would the owner of a Championship club: Allow the manager to consistently play his son ahead of better players Appoint a nobody as manager in preference to a proven winner Appoint a dimwit as Chairman and Managing Director Promote somebody with such little credibility (pains me to say it because that aside he is still a playing hero to me despite what is being said about him on here) to such an influential position. So yes in a way this thread as should all others be derailed to highlight the underlying cause of the idiotic way in which the football club is run

I’ll derail It because the 2 things that really piss me off over the last 20 years are the nepotism when the manager played his son ahead of infinitely better players, and the nepotism when the owner found a way to sack the most successful manager he’d ever had in order to appoint his “son”

Had 30 minutes not 10 and was garbage. Impossible that an underlying good player could be that bad

I’m a CA and I’d be surprised if Jon is

If he’s gone on loan to Bath where’s Dire going, Chew Magna reserves?

Well you said he tried to sign a stack of players out of our reach. They weren’t. Brentford and Hull City a bigger pull than Bristol City? Really? As for the comment “he signed a stack of players to win League One!” Doesnt seem a bad thing to me. Certainly better than his successor spending 100 times as much to achieve **** all.

You’re not as ITK as you think you are mate. Gayle is a red herring, it’s what happened before that is the travesty.

No Cotterill wasn’t backed heavily. HE saved us from relegation to Division 4 with the players he inherited. He then rapidly tweaked the squad by identifying and acquiring a few key players largely financed by the sale of Baldock. Having achieved a minor miracle in that 2014/15 season he was then massively shafted. Of course the normal Idiots will appear saying out of his depth in the Championship etc when in fact he had been shafted and with what he had achieved deserved to be backed, not sacked. And more than that, not just deserved to be backed, but the leader of the football club, ie Lansdown, should have recognised what he was capable of and for the good of Bristol City should have backed him. But no, Lee fricking Johnson was a better bet for the next 4 years, apparently. Cotterill backed? My ass.

Yes.

Me too. For some reason Ashton Gate very hostile that day, didn’t Curbishley say the most intimidating he’d ever experienced?

Me too. Ashton Gate very hostile that day, didn’t Curbishley say the most intimidating he’d ever experienced?

Not necessarily

More what should have been simple passes went to opposition in 30 minutes than I've seen any other player in a whole season. Weak. Clumsy. Didn't seem to know what to do or where to go. Up there with Diony. My criticism though is more of the manager than the player, it was a vital game to win to keep up our faint hopes of a play off push and that was seemingly an experiment.