Marina's Rolls Royce

@W-S-M Seagull talks about getting personal??? Pot kettle black Have a bun- you really will feel so much happier and happiness is something you must surely welcome?

No point in derailing after the train crash. Have a bun instead.

Glad you missed me but I have no idea who you are- were we meant to meet up? I thought the football forum played very well indeed on Saturday.

I loved that the keepers used to take Wendy around for a stroll. People used to give her buns which they said was unhealthy but she lived a long long life.

It's a strange one. Apparently no one wanted him in the first place but also didn't want Mowbray. I listened on Talk Sport earlier where they did an interview with a journalist/podcaster/Milan (?or Madrid)expert and Sunderland fanatic who stated that the owner "may" not have access to his father's money ( former Marseille owner) as it's in a Trust and he "may" have bought Sunderland just to gain experience prior to making a new bid for Marseille. He also stated that Mowbray's journey to the play off's last season was an accident as the club didn't want to get to The Premier League and the fact that they got to the final was not what they wanted. Conspiracy theories are numerous in football as we see on these pages but the idea of a club not wanting to get into the Prem even if just for one season is beyond bonkers.

I know this very well! As for "childish" , I don't see you saying the same thing when you are quoted on something you have got 'bang on'. Learn to take the rough with the smooth, Dave. And yes, I'll continue quote something that someone says particularly when it's relevant to an ongoing usually negative narrative in exactly the same way as it happens to me. I just don't get upset about it like some. You are fully aware that I was and am fully supportive of what has transpired in respect of Nige being replaced and this really goes against the grain of populist opinion on otib. What a dull place if everyone were to agree with every narrative. Same old same old and you just can't help yourself despite putting me on ignore something I've never personally done in 10 years . Your inability to put forward a cohesive argument and just resort to name calling is your forum identity. The ultimate position in a failed exchange is to call someone gas .

This is a game we should win and I expect us to lose. So we will probably win.

Mainly to highlight certain bits when pressing a point/statement/opinion and not the others. You regularly do the same, Dave. Perhaps that makes us both sad and desperate? It's just a forum full of differing opinions such as mine in support of the Lansdowns and the excellent work which Brian Tinnion had done for over a decade. In truth, I'm pretty happy how things are turning out because I agreed with a lot of the statements made about getting more out of this current squad and that appears to be becoming the case.

OK Dave- you did indeed say " I will not support the hierarchy". It is not out of context- that's not my thing. Also, it's weird that people may think I spend ages on trolling through past posts. My background is in research so it takes me less than a few minutes to check on where I remember a post which is entirely contrary to a new post- like when someone is backtracking on a previous categoric statement. One can , of course, start a new thread to make light of a previous "but" thread . Fair play- warm tummy feeling.. However- just over two weeks ago here is what you said and it is not out of context (copy and pasted) and you clearly had very serious doubts about LM in comparison to the previous manager and had little leeway for those who felt NP was right to have been dismissed or Brian Tinnion's role in that (these comments are from one thread alone). We all get it wrong Dave but it's not fair to use your position as the most regular poster with 60,000 posts and virtually 200 posts per week to belittle others who don't see it your way! Manning 17 / 15 * 30 (games under him) = 34 plus the 21 points that he started with = 55 with those players back. But one less win is a regression, especially against an expectation of progression. But I can’t be arsed to put too much effort into the debate tonight! For a headcoach who wants his teams to control possession / dominate the ball, we have a funny way of showing it. We actually have less possession than under Nige. In recent games we also seem incapable of even knocking it around the backline. It reminded me of very few Nige team performances once he got the wasters out in summer of 2021. The worry for me is that we’ve had quite a few already from Manning’s teams and he’s only been here 3 months. Some of that will be embedding his style, but it actually feels like we started to feel his improvements and we are now going backwards. I don’t have a warm, fuzzy feeling at the mo’, but nor am I impatient. But there is a helluva lot to critique currently. It certainly isn’t rosy. We didn’t scout / identify Scott per se, we got “handed him” in effect. As it stands and we can debate the theory….LM is devaluing Conway to the external market and devaluing his use to Bristol City. The true definition of a shit sandwich. We have a head-coach who after 2 games here acknowledged that he needed to work on patterns to create those types of chances for TC, whilst also trying to develop his “short game”. A few games later having not found a way to service Tommy like he said he would work-on, he’s then saying Tommy is gonna have to get used to working off different chances. That’s fair enough in one regard, but an early marker for me of paying a bit of “lip-service” to being able to adapt to what resources he has. And re “short game” what improvements have we seen there that trade-off to the chances bit? None really. The less goals Tommy scores, the less he is worth. That’s a simple hypothesis. The less goals Tommy scores, together with his increased frustrations at lack of service, the less chance he has of staying. That’s a simple hypothesis too. The counter is that nobody else wants him, but we have less effective player in our ranks. I think you are making excuses for Manning. I think you’re trying to make it about Pearson as a defence. If you think it’s fine under him, great, explain why, don’t keep dragging it into a Nige v Liam debate. I think you’re misconstruing my thoughts as being anti-Manning (because I was a fan of Nige). I’m not. I’m merely responding to what I’ve witnessed under LM. If you think I’m missing something, say so, but to keep trying to frame mine and others views because I liked Nige is getting tiring. If this was 3 games in, yes, that would be wrong, but it’s 18 games. It’s more than enough to spot trends. But…even though it was far from perfect attacking under Nige, it has got worse under Manning. I can’t ignore that. That is not to say it won’t / can’t change, just merely observing the current “results” If I was to be really selective (but I’m not, I try to balance) and ignore: Chances from set-pieces Chances from high-press turnovers in the opposition final third our open attacking play under LM borders on a huge regression. That goes against the grain of appointing someone like Manning. He’s minimising opportunities to counter-attack, preferring to start attacks in a structured way, but not getting results. I feel it is worthy of discussion, especially after 15 (18) games. I posted at the time of Nige’s sacking who would undertake the roles he undertook as “Football Manager”? Who would backfill his experience? What we got back was a new structure. It really covered how they replaced Phil Alexander rather than how they replaced Nigel Pearson. I can only assume that between Liam Manning and Brian Tinnion they thought they could cover what Nige did. The problem (in my eyes) is that Nigel worked holistically across the football side of the club and we won’t replace that with the skillsets of LM and BT, nor have they got the experience of Nige either. I don’t see Tins as a (I’ll accept I might be naive) but I don’t see him as the deep thinker either. I’m glad we aren’t having to negotiate FFP and having to somehow remain competitive on a relative shoestring. Nige handed over a wonderful position to continue the progress. It is in danger of being filed in the bin.

OK Re-post them and for every post you repeat - I'll post two of yours that aren't!!! It's like starting with a 3-0 lead at kick off!

Funny old game. You have every right to change your opinion . Especially when you get it wrong, Dave. In the apparent unlikely event that the Lansdown's and BT have actually made a good choice of new Manager then no doubt you will retract your statement that " I will not support the hierarchy" and several others which I'm happy to remind you of

If there is something to criticise I'll criticise it, if there is something to praise, I'll praise it but so far you and your posts only tick the criticise column.

It is now.

But you've been telling us that the season is over for weeks now -along with some pretty damning comments about our club. You must be the greatest flip flop since Tutankhamun. Less than two weeks ago @W-S-M Seagull wrote: "And this is what makes me feel sick to the stomach. Fair enough they wanted rid of Nige. But they totally cocked up on his replacement. They said they wanted a head coach who could come in and take thus group of players forward. To better coach them blah blah blah. To continue upon the work of Pearson. I'd have got right behind that. We have a decent squad of players. Whilst many laughed at the clubs claims we should be challenging and I did to some extent, I also believed that the right person could get this squad competing for the top 6. But then we went for Manning. It was clear Manning would not suit the players we have. We've heard all this stuff about how we were looking for someone to play pressing front foot football and that just isn't Manning ball. So then we are left with two possibilities, the club didn't know what they were getting with Manning or that they did know and they decided to rip the plan just as that plan was coming to fruition in order to start a new plan. The situation we are now in is that we basically have to go down the road of ripping up this decent squad to rebuild it with players that suit Manning with no guarantee that will work and that's what gives me an uneasy feeling. If this goes wrong, which early evidence suggests it may then we're going to be spending another few years rebuilding the squad to shape it into a decent squad again. I think the frustrating thing is, it's a very long time since we've appointed a manager where the squad is already in place. He had a great opportunity and up until this point he's blew it. He didn't need to come in and rebuild the squad. Didn't need to develop youth, didn't need to build a culture etc etc. It was all bloody there for him. And because he's failed (until now) and hes their guy he has to be a success so now its "he needs his own players" "he needs a pre season" Its so demoralising. "

Do you struggle to actually read a post before making such ludicrous and wholly inaccurate statements??? Awkward for you...

Surely you must also now feel that Manning and his players are equally as deluded? Manning is doing a good job with the same squad as the one he inherited and I never thought Tinnion or JL were deluded. Perhaps it's just those who can't accept positive change that are truly deluded?

Walking across the pitch to your seat sets a really bad example unless you are the Manager.

Thoughts? " Mbude" and "Memeti" have a lot still to learn but having players around them like Nakki Wales will help.

you never know, it might just catch on

awkward

Quid pro quo 73rd minute in tonight's match but I'll be jolly cross if Liam was just winding me up when he sent me the text requesting my input on game management.

OK? Well.... let me think...... We've got a new Manager who I believe will do well and improve on the work of the previous one, we've made some good signings this season with Knight and Dicky outstanding and McCrorie looking promising, we have a strong defence getting stronger, we already have some potentially exciting young talent for next season, a fantastic stadium where we continue to get great support, top training ground and facilities, several players coming back from injury such as Sykes ,Twine and Atkinson with the unknown wildcard of Mebude, the potential to finish the season strongly and have a great owner in Steve Lansdown who continues to provide financial stability. My glass is half full and I'll fill it up again when it's empty so I'm feeling really positive and won't fill my pants or rupture my spleen when we lose .

So is this season already over as far as you're concerned?

What you clearly fail to appreciate is that the vast majority of people attending the match are not posters on otib and not prone to the same extreme negativity or "I'm not gonna give my money to Lansdown" or "the season was over in January". With 6 points between us and the top six and 45 points still up for grabs and several players on their way back , this team has everything to play for but, hey, don't let that get in the way of your negative nonsense.