Tinmans Love Child

3 hours ago, Markthehorn said:

No probably not not unless they were a Man U fan, player or manager .

And there wasn’t much in it I agree but if that goal had been for Man U would there be the same fuss about it being disallowed ?

More my point really .

I think if Man Utd had a last minute winner chalked off there would have been a lot of fuss!

9 hours ago, Markthehorn said:

Would people say the same had it been a Man U goal ruled out though ?

They do every single week, about any crazy decision that's made, regardless of the teams.  
 

VAR was brought in to overturn clear and obvious errors, and pre VAR, if the linesman had not given the Cov goal offside, there would have been nobody claiming that he actually was offside and Man Utd were robbed by a poor decision.

21 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

For me, it's the fact that VAR allows for a level of fussiness you (rightly) could not get with the naked eye.

Offside was ultimately created to stop players gaining an advantage by just hanging around the goal waiting to score. Pre-VAR,  a player needed to be far enough offside to gain an advantage in order for a decision to be correctly given. Otherwise the referee or assistant simply could not possibly see it, and there was a clear rule the attacking team was given the benefit of the doubt if it was not obvious.

Now you've got several minutes of studying camera angles to establish a player was marginally ahead in a way that

a) could not possibly confer an advantage to the attacking player

b) an attacking player could not be expected to notice and correct themselves against. 

 

I agree that, by the letter of the law, Haji Wright was offside. I do not believe anyone could possibly argue that Wright gained any kind of advantage by being offside or that, had he been onside, the goal would not have bene scored. I also don't think anyone could claim Wright was at fault for being offside to such a fractional degree that he could not possibly have noticed and corrected without the aid of a replay and video cameras. So what you get in practice is a player who has made no correctable error and gained no possible advantage getting penalised for an infraction that nobody could have been expected to notice without watching multiple replays of the decision.

By the letter of the law, it's the correct decision but I don't see how anyone could argue it's a decision that makes football better or a fairer game. I think the whole "a play is offside if his right testicle is fractionally ahead of the defender" is a nonsensical law, especially once you apply cameras and slow things down to check the testicular configurations. To my mind, the only way to make offside and VAR compatible with the spirit of the game is either to

a) only correct decisions that the Assistant or Referee could reasonably have spotted

b) change the law so a player's whole body needs to be ahead of the defender for an offside to occur. 

 VAR once again killing the joy of football! Pre VAR if the officials didn't flag it offside, then lookjng at the replays nobody really would have argued the decision as it was close

10 hours ago, phantom said:

I can remember the days when Weston getting more than 250 at a game was a big thing 

Never thought I would see the day with an average over 1000.

There were more that 2000 watching the game yesterday between Wimbourne and Frome, big top of the table clash

It feels like he won a competition to be a footballer!

8 hours ago, pillred said:

Pedant, And while we are being, it's Leicester City.

Capital 'A' for And mid sentence? Tut tut

So you're saying there's a chance?

7 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

How does he get away with shutting roads like he does? Police must hate these events surely? 

You don't need to be down with the kids to like DnB it's been around for 30 odd years at least!  FYI my nephew is one of the pics showing Dom his City badge

It doesn't make any sense, somebody has made that up and thought it sounded good!  

12 minutes ago, shahanshahan said:

Next year will be the 10th anniversary!

Commemorative kit incoming

1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

Oh yes, brilliant idea!

Pearsons first 24 the squad was shocking, full of players who didn't give a rats ass, most of which were overpaid and needed getting rid.

Mannings first 24 the squad was motivated, there was a real togetherness. They played for the shirt and us. He also had many injured players returning so no, that comparison just doesn't work!

Yeh but I don't think that's the point, you are comparing apples and oranges really, it's different situations.  I agree LM has not kicked on and I don't rate him myself and wanted Nige to stay so no bias from me, but the statistics here are loaded to make the point that LM hasn't done any better than Nige, rather than trying to pick more like for like stats for a true comparison

15 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Manning compared to Pearson.

Manning has now been in charge for 24 league games, here are the stats comparing his 24 league games with Pearson’s last 24 league games in charge.

Nigel Pearson

Won 8

Lost 11

Drew 5

Liam Manning

Won 8

Lost 11

Drew 5

Yep, identical and Pearson was sacked.

A few references follow which apparently informed the decision to sack NP and appoint LM.

1. We currently have a squad deemed capable of winning promotion/ being at the top end of the league (JL/BT) 100% the aim this season is promotion (GM) “This squad should be at the top end”, “the aim is promotion and we wouldn’t have made the change if we didn’t think we could achieve that”, “there would be no point in making the change now if we were happy to just bumble along for the rest of this season”. 
2. We (the Board) know (apparently for the first time) what we want from our new Head Coach which will include playing in a particular way (see next point)  (JL/BT)
3. We (the Board) know our style of football, throughout all teams, we will play progressively, on the front foot, pressing, attacking,  showing aggression and pace (JL/ BT)
4. The Board opted to sack an experienced manager, citing recent results as the reason (at the time we occupied 15th place with 18 points 5 wins, 6 defeats and 3 draws) our form in the six games pre the sacking was lost 4, won 2.  LMs last six games = lost 5, won 1 (scored 4 and conceded 9 )
5. We were only five points off a play- off spot when NP was sacked and only three points before the Cardiff game, which we faced with an injury ravaged squad.
6. We are in a really good place as a Club and it is set up nicely for somebody to take forward (BT)
7. ‘We aren’t doing as well as we wanted to and that’s what the decision was based upon’ (JL) We had a three year plan with NP and the objective for this year was to be challenging at the top end of the table (GM)

 

 

 

 

Lucky you didn't compare with Nige's first 24 games in charge as well, I remember we seemed to lose most of them!  That's Statistics for you!

13 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

There’s no blue in our flag . White home red away , simple . 

Who cares?  Look at Italys famous blue shirts, remind me where the blue is in their flag? (And no I don't need a lesson on why it's blue I know)

2 hours ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Where did I say that exactly . With your user name I really can’t take you seriously

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Yes I do . I born & brought up on a council estate. Back then you were brought up to work hard for everything . That no longer seems to apply for many . I’m assuming you haven’t been around such people , lucky you . 

So it's just hyperbole.  That's what I thought but thanks for confirming!

26 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Read the follow up post before you call me a ******* moron . I know for a fact there are plenty of self entitled lay abouts that don’t want to work & think the world owes them a living . I’m not a Tory or read the express or any paper for that matter. It’s a matter of fact there are many who would rather lay about & let me or any hard working person pay their benefits with our tax money . 
Is there any other aspersions you’d like to cast mr high & mighty . If you don’t like what I got to say , put me on ignore & **** off

Out of interest how do you know for a fact that there are plenty of self entitled lay abouts?  How do you define plenty?  How do you know this is a fact?  I assume you have verified statistics?

You also say it's a matter of fact there are many who would rather lay about & let you or any hard working person pay their benefits with our tax money.  How do you know this is a fact?  How do you define many?  
 

12 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said:

Possibly, but you would have thought the two high risk games would also be ones Sky would show.

Elephant in the room of course is having to move games for the rugby also…

Plus games v Swansea and Cardiff are often moved 

5 hours ago, Tim Monaghan said:

I've been a devoted Bristol City supporter for 34 years, I find myself at a crossroads, a juncture if you will, where admiration and concern intersect. Its all steamed from the debate this morning on the FBC Podcast. Steve Lansdown, the visionary behind our beloved club since 1996, has left an indelible mark on our history. His passion, commitment, and financial backing have propelled Bristol City to new heights, this is undeniable, yet, as we stand on the precipice of another season of mediocrity (some on here will argue self inflicted), I can’t help but feel that this is a pivotal moment—a last chance saloon—for Lansdown’s ownership.

First of all, let me begin by expressing my gratitude. Steve Lansdown’s journey with Bristol City mirrors that of many fans. From fan on the terraces through his sons love of Bristol City, he transitioned from a passionate supporter to a director, and eventually, the owner. His investment in the club has been transformative. Nobody can deny that. The redevelopment of Ashton Gate stands as a testament to his commitment. Our new modern facilities and infrastructure have surpassed expectations, providing our players and fans with an environment befitting a club with ambitions.

But success in football is a fickle mistress. It demands results, both on and off the pitch. And herein lies the conundrum. While I will forever be grateful for Lansdown’s contributions, I can’t ignore the recent growing turbulence. Liam Manning’s appointment as head coach—I feel a pivotal decision—has placed the spotlight squarely on Lansdown’s shoulders yet again. I feel his success or failure will reverberate through the corridors of Ashton Gate on this occasion. 

As fans, we yearn for stability in fact its a must, however, football and sport in general is about progress, and silverware. But I'm asking myself, is it too much to ask for both? I want to see our team compete at the highest level, challenging for promotion, and perhaps even gracing the Premier League. I get that football is a game of fine margins, tiny percentages and a dash of luck, but I feel that they have made so many wrong decisions on the football side, that if Mannings tenure doesn't work out how we hope, the Lansdowns must introspect. He must consider whether it’s time to pass the baton—to let someone else steer the ship with new ideas and investment into the team. 

If, or as some are convinced, when, Manning fails, Lansdown must be prepared to make the toughest decision of all. Selling up. By his own admission, SL isn't a footballing man. JL is, I've actually played football with him, but this is also under question with a vast majority of our supporters. He will also always be the rich boys son or crayon boy as the highest intellectuals will crow. A highly unfair tag, but one he will never shake, lets be fair. 

Above all, do I trust the current set-up to choose another manager should (when) this one fails? After all, their track record is somewhat erm, shite (when you also include hires when he was part of the board etc): 

• John Ward - Success
• Benny Lennartsson - Failure
• Tony Pulis - Failure 
• Danny Wilson - Played nice football, but... 
• Brain (judge me on) Tinnion - Huge failure 
• Gary Johnson - Success 
• Keith Millen - Failure 
• Steve Coppell - Huge Failure after owners signing of David James meant he only lasted 3 months
• Derek McInnes - Huge Failure
• SOD - Huge Failure
• Steve Cotterill - Huge Success (pretty sure he was Keith Dawes appointment though and SL didn't want him)
• Lee Johnson - Mixed
• Dean Holden - Failure 
• Nigel Pearson - Failure 
• Liam Manning - Looking like its failing (even though I feel its too soon to tell) 

Anyway, this is a very long winded way, and maybe a chance for me to verbal diarrhoea some words on to a page, to say that if this doesn't work out then maybe enough is enough. Bristol is one of the biggest cities in the United Kingdom. Our catchment area is insane. We as a football club should have tasted success, especially with how committed, and lets be honest, patient, our fanbase have been. 

Mr Lansdown, selling isn’t a sign of defeat; it’s an acknowledgment of responsibility. It’s saying, “I’ve given my all, but now it’s time for fresh ideas, renewed vigour, and a different path.”

My mind has been swung. I appreciate your dedication, your love for the club, and the dreams you’ve woven into the fabric of Bristol City. But we also recognize that this is a critical juncture. I'm praying the footballing gods smile upon us, and Liam Mannings reign lead us to glory, I believe it can, but if I'm wrong (and many of you think I am) may you find the courage to pass the torch—to let another custodian shape our destiny. I feel its time. 

 

 

 

 

Was Brain Tinnion a typo?  Either way it's great!

11 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Nowhere near enough? Are you thinking 60 or perhaps 85 points needed for safety then?

No, I'm merely highlighting that it's the here and now we should be really worrying about, not points accumulation from months ago to give an arbitrary number 

9 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Yes, quite.

But the OP of this thread selected 12 games. We're saying largely the same thing - that choosing that group of games is meaningless. 

I'm honestly not defending his record or anything like that. I'm just showing that it's weird to go with 12 when you could go with the last 4, or the last 15, or even the whole shebang of 21, it's arbitrary.

Same as it was when you could go to the middle of last season and find a block of 10 games where we took 0.8ppg. You could even at one point find a block of 18 games where we took 0.83. But these were arbitrary then and they are now.

The important games for me are the last 4 and we've lost them all, whilst the likes of Sheff Wed have won all 4 and are now only 6 points behind us, when they were 18 points behind us 4 games a go!  We are 100% is a relegation scrap now and another loss this weekend will see us dropping further.  50 points won't be anywhere near enough this season to guarantee safety 

A little bit of me (not sure how much) wants us to get relegated just to see what BS the Lansdowns and Tinnion come out with!  We can't go down can we?