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Posts posted by Loderingo

  1. 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

    It’s different - I’d say the Forest vs County rivalry is closer to us vs Plymouth or even Yeovil. Would be quite interesting if in same league but when you’re not you don’t really care.

    Us vs Rovers is a real derby with animosity. 

    I don’t think the 2 Nottingham clubs have been rivals for a very long time. Forest’s rivals are Derby, County’s are Mansfield.

  2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/28/no-guarantee-liverpool-would-crowned-premier-league-champions/


    There is no guarantee Liverpool would be crowned Premier League champions if the season was curtailed by the coronavirus, Telegraph Sport can reveal.

    There is also no guarantee the bottom three clubs would not be relegated, with no specific regulation in place governing such a scenario.

    The rapid spread of the virus has raised the prospect of the Government ordering the cancellation of all sporting events in the UK for more than two months, something that could mean some fixtures never being played.

    Were the Premier League season not completed, it is likely crisis talks would take place to determine whether previous results would be allowed to stand or whether the entire campaign was rendered null and void.

    Any final ruling could depend on how many fixtures had been played, similar to the results of abandoned matches in some sporting competitions being allowed to stand if a certain percentage of them have been completed.

    Depriving Liverpool of their first Premier League title given they are 22 points clear at the top and need only four more wins to be crowned champions would be hugely controversial.

    But it would be equally controversial to relegate the bottom three if they are not already doomed when a halt is called to the season given the hundreds of millions of pounds at stake.

    The same would apply to European qualification places and also promotion spots in the Championship, which also has play-offs for the final Premier League place.

  3. 3 hours ago, phantom said:


    Exactly this 

    Usual overreaction 

    We're we not supposed to all be killed by SARS and bird flu? 

    I think people are very complacent because SARS and bird flu didn’t affect us.

    The difference between this and SARS is it is much more infectious and has a long incubation period. This means clusters can suddenly break out almost from nowhere like has happened in Korea and Italy. 10 towns in Italy have been put on lock down today.

    The good news is it is not very deadly and many people only get mild symptoms but it could still kill 10s of thousands in the UK and put huge pressure on the NHS

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  4. The Italians cancelled all games in Lombardy and Veneto regions today including Inter vs Sampdoria to try and contain an outbreak of Coronavirus.

    Unfortunately, it looks like the efforts to contain this virus globally have failed and it is only a matter of time until we get a major outbreak here. I suspect we could also see games being cancelled to try and contain any outbreak here. 

    This could be a big issue for the football authorities (as well as the NHS of course and the Government). If the season isn’t cancelled, I could see games being held behind closed doors.


  5. My old man supports Cardiff (yes I know) and says that he would happily drive Flint back to Bristol as he has been making some howlers lately.  On the other hand,  Lee Tomlin (remember him) is supposed to be playing quite well for them but not always getting picked.

  6. Back in the 90s there was a period where the gap between the Prem and the Championship was huge and the 3 sides who went up would invariably come straight back down.  Since then the Championship has closed that gap and now there isn't a huge difference in quality between the top half of the Championship and the bottom half of the Premiership.

    As a result a gap has now started to open up between the Championship and League One, and it is more common to see yo-yo teams like Rotherham.

    If you look at attendances that shows a pattern.  Leeds have a higher average attendance so far than half the premiership clubs and even City have a higher attendance than 3 Premiership teams.

    By contrast only 4 League One teams have a higher attendance than the lowest Championship club (Luton). 

    Really only Sunderland, Ipswich and Portsmouth could make a case they deserve to be in the Championship at the moment.

    A lot of clubs in that division have either seen better days (Coventry, Bolton) or are going nowhere (Rovers, Gillingham) plus a few clubs like Accrington and Fleetwood for whom it's probably as good as it gets.

    I don't agree we won't go back there every again. Ipswich have shown that if you don't invest you can slip down the league, while Prem clubs being relegated twice is becoming more common for those who invest badly.

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  7. 8 minutes ago, Yellow&Blue&Red said:

    I've just had a look at the EFL's Mem and Arts registered at Companies House.

    Each club in the football league holds a share in The Football League Ltd. for as long as they remain in the league. Six of nine board members are appointed are club represenatives: 3 from the Championship, 2 from L1 and 1 from L2.

    In order to change any of the rules, a majority of clubs need to vote for it...

    ...which is why we are where we are and why things won't change without external - governmental - intervention.

    I love the way the FSA in @phantom's post, above, are suggesting parallels between listed buildings and clubs. Owners of listed buildings can't just do what they want with them, and the same should apply to club owners.



    You will never get government intervention.  FIFA hates it when governments try to interfere with football affairs.

    If anyone is going to intervene it would have to be the FA...

  8. 9 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

    The issue is, can greater Manchester sustain all the teams they have in the area? 

    20 years on and there is now two huge Manchester clubs that will draw support from far and wide. Personally I don't think all these greater Manchester clubs will be able to continue in their current form.

    Wigan, Reading, Cardiff and Swansea all rose up the football pyramid because of investment. Unfortunately the Burys and Rochdale's of this world are not that attractive of an investment as those clubs were, due to living in the shadow of the huge Manchester clubs. 

    Leyton Orient are another one who have found life tough in the shadow of bigger teams.  Teams like Yeovil and FGR are small clubs but they don't particularly have any local competition.

    Our own relative success vs Rovers has seen us grow our combine share of local fans.  If you think at one point it was nearer 50/50 and it is now 75% City, 25% Rovers

  9. Sorry left 2 clubs out:

    L2 South (24 clubs) - Plymouth, Exeter, Torquay, Yeovil, Swindon, Newport, FGR, Cheltenham, Eastleigh, Aldershot, Maidenhead, Woking,  Crawley, Dover, Barnet, Boreham Wood, Bromley, Dagenham , Ebbsfleet, Sutton, Orient, Colchester, Stevenage, Cambridge

    L2 North (24 clubs) - Carlisle, Barrow, Morecambe, Fylde, Chorley, Oldham, Salford, Stockport, Macclesfield, Crewe, Wrexham, Hartlepool, Bradford, Halifax, Harrogate, Scunthorpe, Grimsby, Mansfield, Chesterfield, Notts County, Port Vale, Walsall, Solihull, Northampton

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  10. 1 hour ago, sticks 1969 said:

    Do you think bringing back the north and south league might be the answer? Less travelling and more local games

    It's an interesting idea. In Germany and France they have 3 national leagues before splitting into regional leagues.  In Italy and Spain they have 2 national leagues before splitting into regional leagues.  We have 5 national leagues before the split happens with conference north/south.  In fairness our travel times are probably smaller than in some of the other countries.

    I think there was an idea mooted around for a while of merging league 2 and the conference and re-arranging into league 2 north and south.  One of the issues with regional leagues is that it becomes a lot harder to get promotion e.g. for Italian Serie C there are 3 regional leagues so the winner of each one goes up automatically and the 3 second place teams play off for one spot

    If you merged the current L2 and Conference into 2 regional divisions you would get the following:

    L2 South (23 clubs) - Plymouth, Exeter, Torquay, Yeovil, Swindon, Newport, FGR, Cheltenham, Eastleigh, Aldershot, Maidenhead, Woking, Dover, Barnet, Boreham Wood, Bromley, Dagenham , Ebbsfleet, Sutton, Orient, Colchester, Stevenage, Cambridge

    L2 North (23 clubs) - Carlisle, Barrow, Morecambe, Fylde, Chorley, Oldham, Salford, Stockport, Macclesfield, Crewe, Wrexham, Hartlepool, Bradford, Halifax, Scunthorpe, Grimsby, Mansfield, Chesterfield, Notts County, Port Vale, Walsall, Solihull, Northampton

    Lots of derbies in there.  Poor old Northampton would have to travel North rather than South

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  11. What a complete shambles.  It feels like sadly Bury are going to be kicked out, which would be a tragedy for a club that has a decent history. I feel that Bolton will limp on but you might as well put (R) by their name in the league table now.

    If Bury get kicked out I hope the EFL stump up to cover the lost match revenue as it is a lot for clubs like Burton and Accrington

  12. 2 hours ago, bris red said:

    Without wishing to sound like i am defending the Scottish domestic game you have to be fair to them in regards to there population.. What other countrys with a population of just over 5 million people have a hugely strong and ultra competitive domestic football scene in Europe... ? None would be your answer..

    As much as I despise Celtic in particular they probably in terms of fanbase size have a shout at being in the top 10 well supported clubs in Europe which isn’t bad going coming from such a small nation.

    Cyprus has a population of less than a million but their league is ranked 4 places better than Scotland in the UEFA coefficient.


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