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A few have been loaded up already….Millwall, Hull, etc

@Mr Popodopolous Didn’t want to quote your full post. So the £30m is (I think) a look back at previous transfer profit and this is a 2-season average. I don’t think it will fly either, other clubs might turn around and say “that’s City using the amortisation and transfer profit methods to seek an advantage”, e.g. they constantly “trade” because they are in some respects kicking the cost down the road whilst they reap the way transfer profit is calculated on current asset value. However, there was some talk a while ago about genuine claims for a collapsed transfer market, e.g. club confirms that they had a genuine offer of £x million, but now covid has happened, they are now getting £y million (significantly less). Maybe that is what Stoke are trying to play with. I’m not sure how much a case we’d have, when the likes of Diedhiou was approaching his final year and his value about to naturally drop off a cliff? Possibly some scope, but £30m is clutching at straws imho. To some extent maybe. I think it’s a more a genuine strategy that developing and using our younger players to keep the costs of the senior members of our squad down. One other point on the RG comments. Is he also pointing out to some of our players, more likely their agents, “you can play hardball on signing a new contract, but 1) we haven’t got the money to pay what your client wants and 2) but don’t expect us to let them go cheaply either” The above applies more to the Kalas, Massengo type players.

I said at the time, the worst thing MA did was say he’d offered Fam a very good contract (one of the best ever) and then say everyone else would have to wait until the summer. Absolute *******.

Got to hand it to some of you, your knowledge of this stuff is amazing.

I replied last night, and RyMo has agreed to it. Result.

Vegard Hansen instead of Nagy at RB. Goater instead of Carle. Agostino instead of Anderson

Yep, all manner of things included. I think what a good few of us are saying is that we will be ok, and that RG is being smart in what he messages and how he messages it. As per @ChippenhamRed’s post, I honestly can’t see SL breaking the rules, hence the big decisions made in the summer re Diedhiou, Paterson etc, and the lowering of wages for Weimann’s d Baker for example. If I’m right we impaired Adam Nagy’s residual value into last years accounts, rather than this season, where we could take advantage of the covid allowances / combined seasons. SL and his Chief Financial Officer are switched on re finances….SL might not make good football appointments but he knows his way around the ledgers.

My estimates, based on assumptions re Income and Costs (inc assumptions on wages and amortisation) is that we are just over £40m, so only a smidge over the £39m for the cycle ending END of next season. It shouldn’t take much to sort that, and then it becomes a question of how we trade to improve the squad. I will continue to refine the wages and amortisation profiles as players come and go, more likely go!

I thought he was a Pompey fan.

The Telegraph reporter and James Piercy were at the same discussion with RG.

Very useful card in Top Trumps!

Andy Davies?

£15m + add-ons (circa £6m) is the figure I have, which was enough to turn a loss into a profit…and definitely some willy-waving regarding that. The other argument was Bournemouth were aware of Liverpool’s interest and wanted the deal done, hence paid a bit more and did it early, to stop Liverpool stealing him. Possibly mindful of him going to Euro u21s in June and more clubs being interested too.

Leeds Utd (h)? IIRC lots of trouble in the park afterwards.

I think it’s way too soon to be worrying about fire sales. There are other avenues to explore first. As @Mr Popodopolousstates, we have several players OOC in the summer. That’s probably £35-40k p.w. That’s £1.75-£2.0m p.a. saved by not renewing them. Also, you either extend Kalas and Massengo, and smooth out their amortisation (and decrease Kalas’s wage)…or if they don’t sign, you flog. By my calculations, a combination of either of these two methods brings us back within FFP…we aren’t much over end of next season as it stands anyway.

Was promised a Rolls Royce if he kept clean sheets. Hold my beer Julian Marshall - Cambridge (h) - great diving header own goal.

Yep, as per my earlier post, you’ve got to have great recruitment….and that’s more than data! Time to dig out this again! How we deviated!!! 7 1/2 years ago. Nige has said similar things to Keith.

Why?

I don’t think it has to be a one season click. You can build momentum. The “brilliant” recruitment part is, but… Yep, that’s a big difference, they run a B Team model, most teams run an Academy model. Although Brentford are data-heavy, the common myth is that they uncover these obscure players through data. In fact a large proportion of these are spotted by scouts, they have a vast scouting network. They then feed them into the data-machine. Thomas Frank is a big proponent of using the “eye-test” first and “data” to confirm the eye-test. As for City, we moved away from from the lower league gem and academy model / strategy over time, and although you could see the arguments for looking at those young PL academy players (Dasilva and Palmer) the cost to get them onboard in the first place was cost-heavy, especially when you add in a 6 month loan to the costs. That impacted future profit margins, made to look even worse through a covid hit financial climate. Having had them on loan, they should’ve been “sure things”. The fact that Palmer most definitely hasn’t been and Dasilva’s injuries are making him look a bad deal too. So back to Spud’s post, we have to improve recruitment and academy, including recruitment into Academy (not necessarily poaching, just getting players in at a young enough age). When you see Tomas Kalas is costing os £3.25m p.a. - that’s more than 10% of our best year’s revenues, it’s time to realise we carried away. Back to Brentford (again), they built that momentum, gradually building up to a playoff season, then a promotion. They might’ve had to bite the bullet had they failed last season, they’d started to get a bit cost-heavy too, but they still had saleable assets, even in a collapsed market, because their players were wanted by PL teams.

Beat me to it….spot on imho.

FWIW I think there will be some clubs posting figures like ours, but not as many as you’d think. The likes of Millwall, Preston, Coventry, Luton, etc, have low cost bases compared to ours, haven’t gone mad by paying out as much in fees as us (big amortisation bill), etc, and therefore aren’t at the mercy of both covid and a collapse of transfer fees as we are. We put our eggs in the wrong basket. I expect the likes of Forest, Boro, Stoke, Cardiff, Birmingham (possibly) will be sweating a bit, but like us have a bit of time to sort their acts out. I’ve ignored Derby and Reading - basket cases. As for RG’s words, I think he is trying to gain support for future changes and messaging and managing the expectations of fans, both this window and in the summer. I honestly don’t think SL would let us break FFP.

It’s behind a paywall. Is it a re-hash of James Piercy’s article?

Passing accuracy: All passes (inc long passes) - Champ average 79.8% accurate Long passes - 52% Long passes make up on average 44 of 356 passes made per game (12.36%) I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!! ???

The word on the street is that it was Rolls who kept saying Norwood wasn’t available for selection. Norwood has no beef with Cook from the stories posted.