BigAl&Toby

15 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Started by Galley is Our King, not by NttDS.

Baffled he could post who was there & having heard what was said then give absolutely no context.

@GrahamC **** me. Does it matter?

Different strokes for different folks…..

On 14/12/2023 at 12:08, GrahamC said:

We’re all guessing, aren’t we?

My reasoning is SL was far more humble & on the way up when he made his finance fortune.

His time in football has largely been characterised by a superior attitude & that he thinks he knows it all.

It might be inexcusable but it is the case, he’s still completely clueless.

Sadly I’m not. Guessing that is.

As I’ve alluded to before I heard it said. Primary interest in what was then a football club wasn’t about football.

It was what Mr L could achieve from the football club.

Nuanced perhaps, and possibly too subtle for many but I was in no doubt. It was nothing more than an investment opportunity.

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Can you explain the hostility towards BT Graham?

@Robbored I will. Explain my hostility to him.

Over promoted. Out of his depth. Out of touch.

In short, like the Lansdown’s, he’s a ***. Little, if any truth in anything the 3 of them say.

A legend for his performance at Anfield. A complete failure for his performance at Swansea.

Yet the ****** is still here.

Hostile? Me?

1 hour ago, Galley is our king said:

I'll answer this....

I want the powers that be to own this situation and take full responsibility for it!

THEY sacked Pearson and THEY employed Manning. THEY said we have a squad capable of being top end of the table.

I said in another thread, I feel sorry for Manning because the brief he was given, which was also explained to the supporters, is not possible due to the reasons given for sacking Pearson were a tissue of lies.

Funny how JL and BT have gone silent again isn't it? Just leave this new inexperienced coach to explain everything.

Tell me, who in the hierarchy of the football club management has any experience of running such a club?

JL for example, looking at his LinkedIn profile, he "worked" for 4 years at his daddies company. Executive position? PR perhaps? No, in the ******* call centre! He acts like a spoilt brat, won't take any criticism. He runs the club like a hobby.

BT. Legend of a player but his only management experience was a failure. No one else picked him up and no manager ever made him captain while he played which normally signifies a leader.

I WANT THESE 2 TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS!

I want BT to resign and JL to step down to a more junior position and employ someone who knows what they are doing!

I hope Manning succeeds but that doesn't stop me lamenting the fact that Pearson was sacked for no real reason by 2 people who haven't a ******* clue what they are doing.

I have tried to cut out the waffley bollox @Harry

 

@Galley is our king I’d like to see all of that too.

The thing is though - I think - that there’s as much chance of that as I’ve got of Jennifer Aniston being in my Christmas stocking in a week or so’s time

If the ***** appointed a failed manager to become Technical Director they aren’t going to insist or accept his resignation.

Equally the ***** aren’t going anywhere any time soon. Admission of failure, accountability and responsibility isn’t something these clowns recognise.

Why? Because what they want they’ll get. They don’t give a flying **** about BCFC. If BCFC goes down they don’t care.

They’ve got several revenue stream now, of which BCFC is simply one of them.

Anyway. I’m dreaming of a Jennifer Aniston Christmas……

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

No, they haven’t imho.

They have been mixed.

FWIW I see what he is trying to implement too, but I also see what he is breaking in the process.

Indeed.

Results have been poor. It’s a results game.

Performance counts for very little if you ain’t winning and putting points on the board.

I see what he’s doing too. But the thing is we’ve not got the players to do that. And apart from a few odd matches or runs we’ve not had a good enough squad for many years.

The thing that really ***** me off is how Lansdown has had us over. Time and time again.

And many know now thoughts on his reason for his investment. He doesn’t give a flying **** about BCFC. Never has, never will.

His dabbling has simply been about a business venture. An investment. Partly In freeholds, partly in a revenue stream.

FWIW I was there when the ****** said - many years ago.

And as for that *** Tinnion. He can join the Lansdown’s when the time comes.

It’s not just Manning that’s out of his depth. The lot of them are.

1 minute ago, Olé said:

To be fair mate I was trying to watch the football so only glanced across once to see what the fuss was about.

But if a 12 year old is making gestures at me I'd like to think as a grown adult I might be able to leave him out of my row with some home fans.

So would I. But if it’s the “family” that I noticed - front row, sat on the end of the row, often waving at us - then I’d also question the adult/s that were with him.

The one I presume to be the father was setting a fine example with some very odd behaviour of his own. If he is the father and that’s his son I’d suggest the lad finds another role model.

Either way it’s pathetic and unnecessary. On all sides.

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Hahaha.  A lot of my posts are based purely on being informative. Some are both informative and factual too.  Some are opinion based - you’ll notice them are usually referenced by “imho” or “my gut feel is”. That’s very different to being ego driven and wanting to always be right.  I’m not on OTIB to be right or for my ego.  I’m here to chat footie related stuff with like-minded people.  It’s gone downhill over the past 2-3 months.  Some of the best discussions on here are where someone takes something from the other person’s view and embeds that into their new thinking on a subject, whatever the subject.

I still remember having such a discussion with @Ivorguy that completely made me re think my thoughts on a certain topic.

So, from stated your desire to be taught, and being given new information about Tinnion’s role by others on Scott and Semenyo, have you learned something?  No need to reply to me, maybe just one to ponder.

@Davefevs don’t get coming on here talking sense and facts. No one on here wants to hear that bollocks - least of all @Ghost Rider

Get back on your Surface Pro and do some analysis!

FWIW I think Tinnion is lying. The man who scored a beauty in the rain at Anfield to the buffoon who sat alone in the dug out in Swansea.

Says it all. A flawed recruitment process if ever there was one. Up the Lansdowns. They’re doing a great job…..

1 minute ago, Bris Red said:

Where has @Robbored gone? Genuine question..

I wondered that. I think he’s still lurking. 

He had alternative views I know but @Robbored I miss you.

10 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

At this stage anything is possible.  Some people are even suggesting our next manager might even be AI

You’re right. It’s me.

Steve and me have agreed to let bygones be bygones. I had to promise never to mention our other business meetings or saying nasty about him, Jon or Brian.

He’s promised me all of the sale proceeds from the sale of the Two As and on that basis I was prepared to accept his very generous offer.

Toby will be my assistant.

Oh hang on. You meant A I. Not Al…..

25 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Don’t be a bell.

Section 82 issued a tweet pre match where they confirmed that they’d be getting behind the team (as per Niges request earlier). And they did, although the game was largely uninspiring. 
 

They then decided with five minutes to go to start the Pearson chants. They have to originate from S82, as all our chants do. And it was a solid five minutes across the ground of “Nigel Pearson’s cider army”. Most football chants fizzle after 20-30 seconds. This didn’t. And I think a reasonable proportion of the crowd joined in. You maybe didn’t, some who don’t sing didn’t, but it was loud, it was consistent, and it was sung by thousands of people.

Thats not “bedwetters”. That’s people showing their dissatisfaction in a strong way after backing the team. And I’d wager that Jon had thought he’d got away with it at 80 minutes, but the feeling was clear (even Radio Bristol brought it up).

Thousands of people singing to back our deposed manager for a consistent time is more powerful than a badly painted bedsheet. And the fact you can’t recognise the depth of anger at this decision across a significant proportion of the fanbase just makes me feel sorry for you.

 

@Silvio Dante don’t rise to it. The buffoon rarely talks sense. Just bollocks to get a reaction.

Oh hang on……

1 hour ago, Ashtongreight said:

To not give him the chance after all the good work he’s done is a bit harsh. Whether it’s the right decision will depend on who succeeds him and how successful they are. 

Absolute bollocks.

There’s only one Steve who’s had us over. And it’s not Coppell!

49 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Do you remember me?

@Davefevs I do. You bloody self proclaimed analyst guru you!

Seems my expose went down like a lead baboon.

Oh well. There’s none so blind as those who cannot see……

Onwards and upwards. I predict a healthy victory this afternoon…..

9 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

I remember when Steve Coppell bottled it, everyone when overboard on him, I didn't the missing the pre match friendly in favour of picking his son up from airport was for me the sign he was gonna walk, and said so, he did.

I was of course slated on here.

To blindly follow the pack is never a good thing.

I’m not sure Coppell “bottled it”. I’d say he saw through it.

Saw through the BS - not Bristol Sport - the bullshit. The Lansdown bullshit.

Even then the ****** was dabbling in things beyond his remit. 

And so it continued. Until now.

The sooner the Lansdowns have their return on their investment - as that was all it ever was - the better.

Might well have an all singing all dancing stadium that’s fit for Take ******* That, but I don’t see any actual footballing success during his reign.

3 hours ago, tin said:

Glad this thread has resurfaced. I’ll happily put my hand in my pocket for any SL, JL or Tinnion out banners. 

@James tag those willing to donate towards the cause of getting these snakes out of our club, please.

And me. The Ls are ******* useless. Only interest is self-******* interest.

Why continue to employ some legendary ******* after the Swansea debacle?

The *** would’ve soon shifted an HL fund manager out in similar circumstances. Yet Tinnion not only retains a position in BCFC but spouts bollocks on Twitter.

Put me down for financial support

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I think what is being described here is a view that - getting into Bristol City Football allowed him opportunities to diversify into other “things” that he might not have been able to without.

For example, would he have been able to get Longmoor without The Sporting Quarter?  Not saying that’s dodgy, because I know some will jump on me for suggesting it, but at its most cynical it’s “give and take” (with the planners) to “make”.

@BigAl&Toby am I reading it right?

Spot on. I think!

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Yep. Definitely worth a new thread. 

Glad you appreciated it. Have you anything meaningful to add or that would contradict any of what I’ve set out?

As I said. A banker….

I’ve posted many times about my views for an individual’s motives for investing in what was once our club. I’ve been mocked by many each time I’ve done so.

I’ve mulled over posting and drafted and redrafted a post many times. After the most recent debacle I think it’s time…..

As the title says, I used to be a banker - cue for the nay sayers to change the B to a W……

In my time as a banker I met many of the great and good.  I met Lords and Ladies, a Major or two, and many, many businesses - large and small.

I also met others like me - similar bankers - who had met other actual and potential customers. One banker that I knew well had several meetings with someone who was touting his new business around the market.

The conversation went along the lines of not being able to help - banks were sensitive to providing any sort of facility to football clubs then. Believe it or not banks felt they had a reputation to uphold then and if in the future they needed to withdraw support then they might suffer a reputational risk - imagine that!

Anyway the offer from the successful businessman was politely declined. But as is often the way a conversation ensued. Largely about why said successful businessman was involved in a football club in the first place.

The conversation was detailed and far reaching. It was suggested that the reason for his involvement was less about football, and as much about what could come from that.

There was a plan. A plan that could provide a facility to group a number of similar, related activities under one roof. To develop that facility to extend beyond just sport.

In doing so the investment would be de-risked. It wouldn’t be reliant upon just one source of fan or income.

The plan also involved making sure that all aspects of that eventual entity would be under the control of just one man. Holding companies would be established and registered such that fan or public scrutiny would be almost impossible.

There was even talk that other property would be acquired to further improve the successful businessman’s own personal position.

That must’ve been the best part of 20 years ago. Some might say it’s bollocks and hearsay. Some might say that despite that the football club is in a better position now than it was then.

Some might even say that they do feel proud - remember that? Making Bristol proud……

All successful businessmen have plans. Several of them. Just in case one doesn’t work out.

Very few successful businessmen invest in a business without first knowing what their exit will be. Very few successful businessmen achieve great wealth simply from doing what they do.

Great wealth is usually achieved through identifying your exit before you get your chequebook out. An acquisition or trade sale. Or private equity. 

Great wealth can also be achieved through the acquisition of property. As one wise man once said to me “they ain’t making any more”……

Meanwhile we are where we are. In the midst of another almighty shit show. Decisions are made that don’t seem to make sense or stand up to consistency or scrutiny.

We lurch from one almighty mess to another. If it wasn’t so desperate, or if it was going on in Horfield, we’d all be laughing…….

40 minutes ago, myol'man said:

Blah blah blah company lines from Tinman sadly.

Remember, this is the man who jumped into Danny Wilsons shoes while they were still warm.

For those of us who were there, we cannot forget the image of former club legend Tinnion sat with his head in his hands at Swansea, if this next appointment doesn't work it'll be him for the axe next time.

I was there. Head in his hands indeed.

And yet from that **** up to this.

Common denominators? Steve and Brian. Both are *****. In any other role they’d be sacked for incompetence.

I’d like to see the back of both of them.

3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

£80 million in 3-4 years…

Really makes you realise how much money we spaffed away under LJ and Ashton that caused much of the financial problems with their big fee, big wages policy. Leaving Nige to clear up their mess…

Not we. Lansdown. He’s the one who as ultimate beneficial owner ultimately spunked the money up the wall.

And to think he runs a business that manages pension funds…… 

I thought the 3 of them looked tidy.

Kelly, Semenyo and Scott. All sold on for a profit.

But **** me. To Bournemouth. ******* Bournemouth. You can see how far we’ve gone backwards when we’re selling to Bournemouth.

And Brentford. Not so long ago well below us.

And Brighton. Who remembers the story about the Brighton chairman driving up from the south coast to give his support to Steve’s grand Ashton Vale dream?

Sold for a profit. Did Steve reinvest? Or take a dividend?

How far we’ve come. In Lansdown we trust

3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

This is spot on to me. Tinnion doesn’t touch my best city team (watching since 1984). It may be sacrosanct, but I don’t think he was exceptional - just good, nothing more. I don’t recall there being serious interest in him from elsewhere which does tell a tale. Great passer with his left foot but not above good at anything else, and that was largely division 3. He’s seen as he is for two reasons - longevity and moments (Liverpool, Cambridge etc). 
 

I might be wrong here but I believe it was reported in the 90s that there was a personal life reason why he never moved on. 

Brian Tinnion.

Awesome at Anfield.

Shit at Swansea.

Twas at both of them. Sadly another over-promoted, hanger on who really should be somewhere else.

Is it me or whenever I see him he doesn’t look his best?

Sad thing is I suspect that until the Lansdowns **** off Good Old Brian’s feet are firmly under the table.

I think I might tell my Steve Lansdown’s Emperor’s New Clothes story tonight.

That might - just might - make the nay sayers think differently…….

51 minutes ago, Puckle_red said:

This is my main reason for wanting a change at the top.

I just dont think he wants it any more, we need someone with energy, fresh ideas, respect for the fanbase, no baggage. He's given it a go, when he's wanted to, but its becoming farcical. 

He never wanted it in the first place. Football success for the sake of Bristol City.

He’s got exactly what he wanted and what he set out to get.

A diversified income stream to add to his portfolio of business interests. Diversify and de risk his investment further - football, rugby, basketball, concerts.

Cram the freeholds with as many franchises as he could. Max out on season tickets - many of whom will shell out at those franchises. Many will buy shirts and tat from the club shop.

And the icing on the cake? Freeholds in BS3, including Ashton Vale.

It was a disaster in the making from Day One. An absolute farce.

And yet some still say Steve is a good ‘un…….

27 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

I mean the kit man stays throughout every manager reign too! 

Quite. Another messiah.

I’d get rid of him too. Kept on for what? Being able to flick the ball up with his Adidas boots on into a net bag?

Needs a full shake up. Top to bottom.

Anyone see the Silver on MOTD? Sold? For what?

Oh yes. Many will say FFP and to balance the books of previous overspending and wasted cash.

Thank **** Lansdown isn’t managing my pension funds…..

28 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Welcome back @BigAl&Toby.

Yep, you and @Ivorguy have always given a different perspective, that has made me think further.

I’m just waiting for SL to write off £200m as a goodwill / love City gesture.

@Davefevs as Mr Glitter once said it’s good to be back. Or was that a Gallagher?

Either way I couldn’t stand by and not repeat what I’ve said before - and been laughed at.

The Lansdowns have ruined Bristol City. He only had one thing on his mind. Making more money to fly off with to his Channel Island haven.

Or spend on ******* elephants.

Oh for the good old days. When Ashton Gate was just a football stadium, and when the only extras were Billy Graham and the Rolling Stones…..

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

The recently departed CEO saw through it. 
I understand he was rather shocked at the amount of family friends with positions in the club. 
It’s one big cosy club. 

Lansdown has been wearing Emperor’s clothes since he rode in on his Trojan Horse.

He had no intention of buying Ashton Vale for BCFC or anything other than getting a resi consent.

And some laughed out loud when I called it out……