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  1. Could do with a player like Bell again. What I'd give for the excitement of seeing Murray running onto a perfect tinnion through ball again. To hear all the wooden seats go up in the Dolman one more time. God I miss the old stadium before it became a characterless clone of every other ground in the UK!
  2. Marinovic- Someone incapable of performing even the most basic of task. To have a marinov - To cause concern to all those around you through your eratic and often costly actions.
  3. People said he wasn't ready for the team and they were right. 3 years later and he has had 2 good games.
  4. People need to remember, he doesn't have a full pre season with the team and he doesn't coach them day in day out. Its amazing how much of a unity and team spirit he has managed to build with this team. He has empowered teenagers to play without fear in major tournaments and taken an English team to our first major tournament since 66. We have a good side with lots of potential, but this isn't a side with prime Terry, Lampard, Scholes, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville. We didn't have the best starting 11 in the tournament and no right to expect to win.
  5. Hindsight such a wonderful thing. Brought us a lot of fun on the way and I hope Southgate is backed for several more tournaments to come. Honest and we have done well to get right to the wire
  6. Looks like he leaves the defence a little exposed going forward when perhaps he shouldn't. Fully expect him to get caught out on one of his runs early in his City career, we shall concede, fans will get on his back, he will be written off as another failed league one signing and will end up going to Peterborough the following season where he will thrive.
  7. Well as they're offering 9/2 on going down ... you can assume they're shorter than 2/9
  8. Did we also get rumoured with Emile Heskey at same time as Owen?
  9. This is certainly true, but I think a lot of people would say harrogate and barrow aren't as successful as the Stockports and hartlepools, even if current league position says otherwise. Averaging their league position and extending down to the conference etc, I'm sure Stockport would have an avg league position not too dissimilar from City's
  10. Agreed, it was more out of own curiosity tbh. However, seeing a club like Bournemouth having recent success ... to me I still see them as a small time club massively overachieving. Perhaps this is more to do with stadium facilities etc than historic league positions
  11. Agreed, think we are where we belong really. Certainly this is how I imagine other clubs fans who don't follow our daily running and finances/transfers closely would see us
  12. Of course its hypothetical, but without any teams from North and south playing in a league format, I'd say assuming for example 8th / 24 in one regional parallel league is roughly equivalent to 15th/16th out of the 48 teams across the parallel leagues is the easiest way to approximate. It could equally have been the case that in years where city have succeeded (e.g. recent league one winning season) that had all 92 league teams played in 1 league we may have finished higher than 45th. However, we didn't play in a league with championship teams so to assess us as better is not possible, but likely probable. As detailed in OP stats are obviously not the full picture. The stats simply show the average league position city have finished each season. It doesn't claim we are the 42nd best club, in which case your point about clubs no longer being in the league is more valid. As stated in the OP the reason for selecting the start date as opposed to the date they got promoted was to give an unbiased representation. It was the date for introduction of a 92 team league system and so seemed an arbitrary point to start. I'm sure selecting different start dates could be applied to make it look more or less favourable to city, however as we currently have 92 teams in the league system, analysing since introduction of 92 team league was my goal
  13. As mentioned above, the positions have been calculated from 1950/51 season. If you're going to include pre war time and pre 92 team leagues also then you're going to get a very scewed data set. Citys first season in the football league, there were only 36 teams over 2 divisions. Inclusion of this information does little but skew the data. Would say if you were to include this information, you'd be better off calculating a relative position in the league, then estimating a league position finish as if there were 92 teams. City finishing 16th out of 20 in the second division of two 20 team leagues (as in 1912) should not really be used to bring citys average league position up really and show us as more successful? If anything finishing in the bottom 10% of the whole league system at the time is probably better shown as an 82nd/83rd position really. Hence why started in 1950/51
  14. Through boredom more than anything I decided to do a little analysis of Bristol City's historic league positions since 1950/51 season (the first year with 92 teams in the league) and thought I'd share the results. Things to note: In the first 8 years of analysis, there was no division 4. The league was split into a division 3 North and South. When working avg league position during the time city were in division 3 South I have doubled the league position and subtracted 1 to give an approximation of where we ranked in the football pyramid .. e.g. 1950/51 season city finished 10th in division 3 South. In this scenario I've given them the benefit of doubt and therefore ranked as the 19th best team out of the 48 in the 3rd divisions. From analysis of the 71 years using this method citys average position in the footballing pyramid is 42nd best team. This today would give us the final relegation position in the championship. Further to this, during the 63 years in which there has been a 4 tier professional football league structure in the English league, City have spent: 4 seasons in Division 1 32 seasons in Division 2 25 seasons in Division 3 2 seasons in Division 4 City have managed to make the top 6 in the second tier 5 times in their 32 seasons in the division, and just once since promotion to the top flight in 1976. Since relegation from the top flight in 1980, city have spent 2 years in tier 4, 20 in tier 3 and 19 in tier 2. City haven't finished above 13th in the league pyramid since the 92 team league came into action. Should finishing above the relegation zone therefore be seen as a success for City? Is this how other clubs view us, and why Johnson got credit when we missed out on the play offs by a whisker and reached the league Cup semis? Because to most clubs we are a struggling division 2 side? This has just been shared for info and worth remembering stats do not however tell the whole story! If city won the championship next season, they would then have to win the Premier league every year until 2104 before our average league position since 1950/51 was 20th (final prem spot) ... however some may say this is distinctly possible with Pearson as manager, so long as he lives for another 83 years as City manager, living to 140.
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