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  1. This is a favourite comment when someone find themselves in the minority of opinion and as the proverbial kite in a hurricane on here. I would suggest the mood here is a pretty good representation of the wider fan base and is seen on social media too - this is also reflected in the general poor atmosphere and unrest at times at Ashton Gate at the moment, coupled with the increasing number of empty seats clearly visible recently.
  2. I was talking about this on another thread today - it’s considered to be ‘fact’ Tinnion is THE academy man. He seems to get the majority of plaudits for our youth set up, but the question is…is that fair?? The fact is - he’s wasn’t head of the academy until 2021 - when the last crop of academy boys had made their first team debuts - Scott, Conway and Bell etc. The plaudits there should be going to Gary Probert, academy manager for 9 years - who left to go to….Ipswich…. Semenyo, Scott, Conway, Bell, Vyner, Max, Pring, Kelly, Bryan, Bobby… all pre- Tinnion as manager of the academy. We also know the pathway has been a success in recent years, but that was ironically largely due to FFP blunder transfer restrictions and NP having to blood so many. Before 2021 he was part of the scouting team and he was the loan manager (remember NP’s comment on that) - but credit to him for his part in finding some of these players. We are yet to see what ‘his’ crop of 2021 onwards boys can do at first level, the supply has seemingly slowed. Perhaps in part because they are chasing FA youth cup glory? Now we have more room with the cash, you could argue the Jan signings he made have played a part in blocking the pathway. Interestingly in my research for all this - you get the sense for some years the club have been grooming Tinnion for this role. In all the articles about the success of the academy or signings of youngsters like Scott etc - there is Tinnion “loan manager” in the picture with the player and sometimes Probert. And it’s often Tinnion who is the one doing to media on the academy, despite him being “loan manager” or “pathway manager” - not Probert as head of the academy in the limelight, but Tinnion put forward. Hence why I think the perception is what it is and why I think he may be getting more credit than he’s due… Sorry if people think I’m being harsh on Tinnion - if anyone with a better knowledge of the academy can refute my analysis - I’m happy to stand corrected.
  3. That post was in response to another that brought up the academy. And with respect, this is a public forum -all relevant discussion is allowed - there are no rules that say other things can’t be discussed in a thread - just ask the pun producers. If you don’t want to discuss one part of thread, just skim over it.
  4. Can you reference any of those interviews, any links? Just I've never seen them... "pivotal" - debatable. I've not mentioned his ability to express himself, so that's irrelevant to this discussion. He was one of a group that scouted players for the academy - in that role i'm happy for him to continue. Ironically, one could argue we're yet to see the product of his time as academy manager on the pitch - as the number of first team debuts have dried up - time will tell on that one too.
  5. Yep all good to have opinions - but facts also help. The fact is our current crop of first team academy players (including recently departed Scott and Semenyo) were under the stewardship of Gary Probert as academy manager. Talking of Alex Scott (as you mentioned premier league players earlier), he wasn't discovered or coached by BT - Scott was already in the first team when BT became academy manager in October 21. Same goes for Conway (1st team debut mid 21) and Bell (early 22) in reality. Yes BT has played a big role in scouting and bringing in youth players, Semenyo for example, and we give him credit for that and he can continue in that role no problem. But that's only the very start of the process - back to Scott again - my opinion this time - i'd give far more credit to the lad himself, his family, the city youth coaches, the England youth coaches, NP and his coaches, and Phil Alexander or even SL for the sale - than I would BT in any of the process. That's not me saying he doesn't get any credit, but keep it in perspective.
  6. Yes well done Brian, you are one cog in a big machine. I think the vast majority have given and do give him credit for his part in that process - but I also think some want to give him more credit than he might actually be due, in that process. And I also think the vast majority of fans also believe that, regardless, all of that doesn't add up to justify the promotion into the position he is now in at the club.
  7. You do realise that when a player comes through our academy and is sold on, that is down to numerous individuals within the club, not just being 'nursed' by Brian Tinnion, right?
  8. So £60m for WBA - Have a made up the figure of £200m SL wants for City? Was that reported or is it rumours??
  9. I was saying this 3 or 4 years in the Ashton days! Look at the setup of a club like Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, Villa etc. They have structures like this before you get to the head coach etc: CEO Director of Football Technical director or COO Head of Academy Head of recruitment Financial director Commercial director Obviously each club differs and some roles overlap - but we basically have 2 or 3 people doing the roles of sometimes 5,6,7 people at other clubs. Step one move Tinnion sideways to Head of Academy and Pathway. Then employ, as a minimum, a Head of Football and a new head of recruitment. Both with relevant premier league or champ experience, not some project person. Set your budget - then JL and SL step back big time, stay out the dressing room. Stay out the weekly meetings.
  10. I said a couple of months back it's always felt like when the club talk about the academy and pathway: The emphasis is on producing players to sell to the premier league... and therefore to take all the plaudits and say ooh look we sold X for ££££££££ aren't we good - rather than Producing players to build a squad to get Bristol City to the premier league... This stuff about coming out about the FA youth cup kind of proves that doesn't it.
  11. 15 seconds in - "it's a squad that should be at the top end of the division" This interview's not aged well at all: "we're clear now in how we want to play and be, a front foot team. We want to be aggressive, we want to play forward, we've got pace in the team" "The next head coach has to develop this team into the way we want to play as a football club...it's going to be a long term thing for the football club" "You'll see a lot of young players coming through the academy into the team" "we've got a squad that's built to play the way we want to play" R.E ironic injury quotes - "you have to make sure players a trained a certain way to play the way we want to play...'we've' fall short a little bit on that" - "when they're ready we want them back fit and to stay fit"
  12. His very few 'supporters' can say it wasn't that bad (damning with faint praise) and that whatever he said we'd pick up on: Yes, no shit sherlock - If you're the technical director of a championship football club, at least be over the basic details and get them right - He's given us 2 or 3 statements that are either bare-faced lies or incompetently incorrect - neither answer is good. And then he's topped it off with some gem's like - I've been here 30 years I deserve this position, Manning is learning on the job, we want to be 10 points better off next year and disclosing disclosed transfer fees. All whilst insulting the fan base as if we'd all just get behind them all will be fine. An awful appearance from SL's worst (both times, can't make it up ) appointment.
  13. This is why it’s hard to guess this time - comparisons with LJ not the same, as he was fully invested emotionally and financially - perhaps that was his last throw of the dice. If he is looking to sell - value is everything and it seems he’s also looking for minimum investment from himself…AKA “Sustainability” He said what football earns, football spends - but we’ve not seen much of that Semenyo/Scott money yet - and there will be more in the summer - will we invest it? If the taps are limited this summer, fans will get restless. So he absolutely needs to have a head coach/manager getting the team playing better than the sum of its parts - at the moment Manning is no where near doing that.
  14. You may well be right…but I’m not so sure that’s the case with Manning - have a feeling he’s BT and JL’s pick so wouldn’t be surprised to see Steve step in on this time. Either way him going next week or later this year (if he doesn’t markedly and quickly improve) - there will be no ‘good’ way out on this one for the Lansdown’s - and they’ll know the reality is the longer he stays, the longer and more expensive it will be to put it right…which may dictate things more this time round and they may save more face by acting quicker on it.
  15. Sorry if it’s been said elsewhere…if it was on the players and Pat the other night when we conceded from a free kick… Presume it’s credit to Pat that we won today? Given it was his short corner routine that was calmly executed by the players? Thank you for the 3 points Pat Mountain!
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