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  1. I think this response is meant to suggest that the chant is only racist because of our own internal racism. i believe it is racist, as it is meant that way, and the clear implication from those singing is that being a small town in Asia is bad, that the immigrants are ‘lesser’, and so Luton should be laughed at. It is a racist chant, sung by racists (or those too ignorant to realise what they are singing). Also, the eiron is a character, not a person and irony entails opposition (not mere difference) between the actual meaning and the apparent meaning of something. This isn’t an example of irony.
  2. I think that Thomas will be riding for Bernal in the final week. Thomas doesn't appear to be in the same form as last year and Bernal is on fire. I agree that it could be very open, and there are a lot of potential winners. It should be close going in to the last week, which looks absolutely brutal.
  3. All three have said things that encourage the racists. Now - move this to the politics section.
  4. MY OPINION: A lot of posters on here need to have a word with themselves. A young man has been abused by a racist, and instead of supporting the player, or condemning the racism, they seem more concerned with saying, "It wasn't one of our racists." We have wonderful fans, but they are far from perfect. I know that when I saw the report, I wasn't surprised - it absolutely could have been from a city fan. It wasn't this time, but unless we keep working the next one could be.
  5. Paul Dummett has 3 caps for Wales. Kieran Trippier is a right back. Would you ACTUALLY pick Joe Bennett or Aaron Cresswell for City, let alone England? Apart from that...
  6. No, not me, but my other half played for Bristol United in the 90's. I think they folded about 15 years ago.
  7. I have tried to understand this response, but I have struggled. If you are fed up with threads about racism, try imagining how it feels to be on the end of the racism. You're not arguing that offensive comments weren't made, or that they weren't offensive. You are just saying you are bored of people complaining about it. Luckily, you have identified a solution to your own problem.
  8. Right. I've been thinking about this: You are right. I can't think of any thing that Worboys could have done that would persuade me that he is not a risk to the public, unless he is about to die. This is a poor state of affairs and I am angry that he has been released. It is a shame that the parole board are not allowed to make their reasoning public. I think my points in the earlier post are valid, and we should not rush to judgement of the people on the parole board or politicians.
  9. I don't know what evidence the board had and I wouldn't know what is adequate to allow release as I am not an expert. Neither of us are and we have no clue about the law in this case, which is why I'd say that making any assertion that In your second paragraph, you suggest that I think that 1 rape is acceptable. That is a pretty unpleasant reading of what I said, and if you didn't mean to be quite so rude and confrontational, I think it would be good if you clarified. I made the factual statement that he has only been found guilty of 1 rape. The other offenses were 5 sexual assaults, 1 attempted assault and 12 drugging offenses. This might explain why his minimum tariff is seemingly so low. I don't know what evidence was presented by the 70+ alleged offenses, but the evidence for the cases that went to trial was compelling. Police found a "rape kit" in the boot of his Fiat Punto, containing champagne miniatures, plastic gloves, a torch, vibrators, condoms, sleeping tablets and an ashtray he used to crush drugs.In a safe in Worboys' garage police found hand-written notes outlining his planned explanations if he was questioned again following his 2007 arrest. These papers were not used in court because he claimed to have written them for his solicitor. Worboys' DNA was recovered from a semen stain in one woman's underwear, a wristband belonging to another woman was found in his house and a third victim's address was found in his notebook. Forensic evidence linked a vibrator found in his car to another victim. 14 women testified at his trial, but even so he was cleared of several charges. Do you know what evidence the other women had? For all we know, the women have made an allegation and have no evidence other than knowing what happened to them. While we believe the victims, if they don't have evidence like they had for the first trial, they may be in the horrible position of being unable to progress their cases. The investigation by the Met was deeply flawed. The first reports to police concerning suspicious incidents experienced by women in black cabs dated from 2002. Over a period of six-years, 14 women between 18 and 34 years of age, all in the professions, complained to the police of assault or other worrying experiences in a taxi, all of which had similarities. The police failed to link them. Eventually the number of reports convinced police that they were dealing with a serial rapist and eventually they arrested Worboys. The commander of Greenwich police was moved on due to failings in this inquiry. The handling of Worboys' case was brought before the IPCC who concluded that proper investigations could have prevented some of the attacks. Five officers had complaints against them upheld, but all were allowed to remain in their jobs. This decision was criticised by one of the victims and her lawyers, who say that she was laughed at by the police when she reported her assault. I wonder if the botched investigation has any bearing on the prosecutions?
  10. You, EMB, lack the information to be able to make a case. We (the public) do not possess all the facts and can't judge the situation based on the limited data we have. I am also concerned that, on the face of it, there is a rapist being released from prison. All I am saying is that we both know that there are facts that are not in the public domain, and laws which govern what can be done in this case. For example, you point out that there are over 70 cases against Worboys which have not been prosecuted. Do you know what the evidence is in those cases? We know that Worboys drugged his victims, and that some of the victims were unable to give any reliable testimony as a result. The standard of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and perhaps the evidence in these cases is flimsy. I don't know. That is why I was asking if the number of accusations can be a factor in establishing a case. Furthermore, Worboys has only been found guilty of one rape (and 18 other charges) and was given an indefinite sentence (i.e. he is to be kept in prison until he is no longer a danger to the public). We don't know what information the parole board have and so it is premature to judge. Don't get me wrong, I agree that we should be concerned and that on the face of it the case needs to be reviewed. But, I'm sure you'll agree that we don't have all the information and that it is sensible not to leap to conclusions. Let's assume that those concerned have followed the law and applied it correctly. We have no evidence to the contrary. The government are making enquiries and checking in to this by asking Prof Hardwick to testify to the select committee. I believe the victims' barrister is pushing for the CPS to file new charges against Worboys based on the cases that haven't been tried yet. I hope they are successful.
  11. Some were not contacted, and others were. And as you say, this is an error. However, you don't have all the facts here and there is always a risk of misjudging a situation when you lack information. No one outside that parole board does have the facts, which is a problem in itself.
  12. I think that there may be a lack of knowledge about the case and the reality of the story behind the headlines. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/man-raped-hundreds-women-released-prison-9-years/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-keir-starmer-not-rapist-11802060 (I don't like the political slant to the Mirror article but the point about WHY this has happened is valid/interesting) - sentencing guidelines from 2009 http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/%2B/http:/www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/docs/web_SexualOffencesAct_2003.pdf I really hope that Worboys is now prosecuted for some of the other alleged rapes and offences. I believe that there is now stronger evidence, and certainly more accusations. Does any one know if the number of accusations is a factor in the reliability of evidence?
  13. I'll have a go at some ratings - I certainly didn't agree with EMB's . Overall, it was a tired performance which lacked the drive and energy that we need to be able to make our game plan work. We were very lacklustre with the ball and as the game progressed we were completely unable to press and cover to the standard we needed. However, the players were individually not as bad as the score line suggests but as a team we deserved the beating: Steele - 5 A keeper who lets in 5 is going to get a poor rating. He didn't pull off any great saves and his distribution was no better than Fielding's. It wasn't a disaster of a performance and he isn't responsible for us getting beaten on his own. Wright - 6 A perfectly serviceable performance and made at least 5 tackles. Passing was tidy, but he looked unadventurous and tired. Flint - 5 Honestly, I didn't think he was helped by being shoved up front and lost out in the air a surprising amount. Baker - 6 Could be MOTM (from city players). Responsible for a lot of clearances and was strong aerially. Magnússon - 4 Struggled and his passing was pretty inaccurate. Brownhill - 6 Tried hard and some tidy passing. Ran with the ball well but nothing came from most of his play. Smith - 5 Looked shattered and found it hard to keep up his defensive pressure. Accurate with his passing but unadventurous. Pack - 5 See above, but less accurate. Bryan - 6 Struggled to make a difference going forward but stuck at it. Spent a lot of time supporting his left back. Patterson - 6 A lot of effort, with little result. I think he was handicapped by a lack of options when looking for a pass Reid - 5 Marked out of the game and anonymous in attack. A game too far, perhaps? Subs Woodrow - 5 The game was gone by the time he came on but didn't change the pattern at all Kelly - 5 Had a real tough time defensively but stuck at it. I think he hit a lot of hopeful long balls because he had no alternatives. Taylor - 5 He'll always try, but this wasn't a good performance. Equally it was not awful but it was...meh. It was poor as a team effort and I think the result was due to a team (squad) failing. I'm bloody disappointed but can't see too much individually wrong. Villa were good, and our lack of energy helped them a lot. 5-0 was possibly harsh, but we weren't at the races today.
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