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  1. Last night was much more back to the future, a city easy to identify, rather than revolution.  It was almost as though it was a team playing to its strengths and doing it extremely well.

    We were the eternal opposite of Southampton, when for a while this season that was the way we were going 

    My father insists last night was how "manning-ball" was always meant to be, i totally disagree. I see a manager who has ditched much of his ideology -because he recognized this team isn't made for that, even control. He saw what works with this squad- and found a pot of gold last night.

    It doesn't bother me how we got here.  Stay with the hustle, energy, intensity and overall approach both ON and off the ball, ill take it every time , even when the end product will someties be missing.

     

     

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  2. A fantastic performance.yes the end product was annoying in first half. But it was still a good performance. It was them being so dull trying to put everyone to sleep.

    But the whole game from us has been about energy, foot to floor, aggressive football. Both with and without the ball as much as possible.

    While extremely disciplined No hint of control survival football, no hint of sluggish. Gone for them, gone wide, simply gone at them with a pure intensity.

    They've been trying to play chess. We've thrown the board to the ground and made it clear it's our house and our rules. No matter how much possession you have.

    Play like this every week, sign me up here and mow

     

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  4. He's experimenting. We are at that point in the season.

    Trying different things in each half v the same side.

    Seeing truly what works and what doesn't. What players can do, what they can't. Who he has in his plans who he doesn't.

    It's a super long pre season, ready to hit the ground running.

    I don't think we'll see a back 3 in any game until we are 2 up, allowing us to work on it while ahead.

     

    And yes, I'm joking

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  5. 8 minutes ago, redkev said:

    First 15 mins - bore fest 💤💤

    It was like a competition on who could play slower for basically first 15.

    They then fell to absolutely pieces. Playing the worst version of "our modern kind of football"  2nd goal was very much earnt however by sensing the moment.

    2nd half wasn't great and feeds into the narrative that whenever does make tweaks we seem to be worse but the damage had been done.

  6. 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

    I listened to the 5Live Sports extra broadcast which was actually Radio Nottingham's commentary and it was very good. 

    Apart from the odd mention of "we" the commentary was really fair and they weren't one-eyed at all. The commentator had really done his homework and knew a lot about individual players, and he called us "City" throughout. Steve Sutton was the summariser and he was a little more biased, but really impressed with Max, he did call us "Bristol" a lot though he did correct himself at times. 

    At @Davefevs is right, it was a bit like the old days. I even had the lights off, so it felt like the days of the "3 day week". 🤣

    I listened on talk sport 2; they were very much "bristol city" the whole way through. To the point of correcting themselves on the odd bristol.

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  7. 21 minutes ago, italian dave said:

    £6 for 10 minutes 'drop off' now.

    And £100 fine if you dare to try dropping off anywhere else on the site. And they certainly police that: twice I've had someone in front of me stop to let passengers out of the car, and both times a van with a camera has appeared from nowhere and slowed down to film it.

     

    I never used the free car park for pick ups/drop offs till the new rates. But now, free car park and shuttle bus every time. It comes every 15 mins and it's pretty good tbh.

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  8. 1 hour ago, SydneyCity said:

    The City Group is to blame for a lot of this. They are a business, whose business is to hoover up all manner of young playing talent through their academies, then make money by selling them.

    They teach this talent how to play the City way, and pump a tonne of cash into Man City to show that it works.

    The managers/coaches who go through the City Group are taught the same City way, before going out into the world and using their City Group connections to buy players who have been taught the City way, thus ensuring that the group keeps making money by selling young talent.

    It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Man City aren’t the success story they currently are.

    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, etc etc.

    You won't allow reserve sides? NO problem, operation infiltration it is. We'll do our work in your building in the exact way you described.

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  9. 19 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

    I can see the logic in this. I was just talking to my wife today how the experience my kids get of watching the 6th best league in the world in a fantastic stadium pisses in a lot of ways on my experience of competing with Mansfield and Gillingham in the old third division while stood on a piss soaked east end.

    But.

    But.

    Is this it? Is this what I stood at fellows park with West Midlands police blocking my view for? Is this what I drove through multiple accidents and arrived when 3-0 down at Gigg Lane for? Is this what I walked through the shitty streets of Burslem for?

    Football, as life, is about progress. We’re all built that way - to do better. This is what I went through all those things for. But now I’m there - I want more. So should the club.

    I don’t want piss in my pockets. But I do want ambition.

     

    You know , football is supposed to be fun.

     

    This week, on the fbc podcast (by @Curr Avon)at the start Ian used the phrase a game too far. I felt it was a mis-use of the phrase.

    Why: well 1st Jan 2018, spanked 5-0 by villa, the team were clapped off. Why? Credit in the bank. Entertainment and fun to that point. The team had earnt the right to be off the pace. Yes that season fell away, but in that moment they had earnt a game too far.

    And that's football. Through many ways your teams earn money in the bank;

    Win football matches, with the feeling deserved to more often than not

    Be entertaining, but not reckless

    Be fun to watch, but put an utter shift in defending.

    Play well and intend to entertain (at city this matters as atmosphere starts mostly on the pitch)

    Put in an absolute effort performance when it's not clicking (fans see this more than anything, this credit isn't endless but it has value)

    Have the board, Management and fans all on one side. With a goal, a buy in........and this is the beginning of the problem; hiding in plain site. All the stats about the academy, half the goals etc etc. and then it dawned on people. The absolute best of the crop get sold off. That money was not reinvested x2 (we know why but doesn't change the fact it wasn't) and back to square 1 again. 4 to 9 points off the playoffs.

    And then there's the messaging. The window was for tomorrow; this season is now implied as a write off. That's not what i got bctv for in the summer (yeah i know it's a bargain compared to season ticket. The result? Well if they've written off the season.. should i really invest my time in the same way? 

    When i ask my students what do you like about school, the main response... I get to see my mates.T hat's been football for a while now. To get to see my mates

    Where's the sense of adventure? where's the sense of the unknown? Where's the fun? Where's the excitement?

    To me that's the problem; the words from the club just don't match what a decent amount of people see or feel.

    Most football fans will buy into a reset, a few years building, but to then knock it down to go another way without payoff, that's not how it works.. it feels hard to accept.

    And that's the point right now. The actual fun is fleeting and in the cup. But the league? Actually excited for league games... It's been a while. It's more relief when a game is actually good.

    The games aren't entertaining. Too many halves with 0 or 1 shot on target. Too much chess football. Too many halves where I've been impressed in some way by the opposition - preston HT changes, Sunderland, ipswich- this really annoys me. And then you hear words like control, and removing emotion from decisions. Non of it screams fun, non of it feels a reason to create a fire in the belly of a dragon atmosphere. It actual feels like the goal is to do the opposite of fun. A mathematical footbalk equation to be solved.

    And as you said! is that really it? Was this really the dream. 1998-2005 city being here just felt impossible, now we are established it's simply not enough to rinse and repeat seasons. It's a bit of a joke to be here, from September, and the feeling we are well well well short squad wise in what the current manager actually wants. From protecting weaknesses to at times exposing them.  Is that why you go to a game every week, to prepare for a season that never actually comes, because the best players have Already moved on?

     

     

     

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  10. 9 hours ago, Davefevs said:

    I’ve been saying for weeks “structured football” both with and without the ball is for the PP teams in the main.

    Tonight structured football in possession saw us struggle to get get out of our half for large portions of the game.

    Tonight structured football out of possession saw a very good Leeds team destroy our block and carve us open at times.  It was only really when we did get Meslier to start kicking long that we suddenly made the game a bit more of a contest.

    I’m in no rush to reach conclusions on Manning.  There are quite a lot of things I like, and want to see play out.  But this might be his first job where he learns that principles and behaviours might need to lead to a less pure approach in the way we play.  A coaches voice video of his hit twitter earlier today.  It was effing marvellous, so simple to coach.  But if you’re an opposition analyst you’ll have seen it a thousand times and have “coping strategies”.  I agree we don’t have the players to be “pure” (pure is just the word I’m using to describe what he’s trying to do, it’s not the right word, apologies)..

    But I think the error is thinking pure is the way.

    This, this and this.

    Sport is a game of bluff. You at least have to convince the other team often enough your willing and dangerous doing something else.

    How often have we seen in game adjustments? It's rare

    How often have those adjustments had a positive impact? Rarer still

    Too often it's like for like.. hoping changing players will change things. In game changes matter just as much as time on the grass.

    in my opinion HT last night was a free hit. It was clear; what was happening was not working, and it was a question of when they would score. Second half starts and as you were boys! I mean, Do something new, try something, anything! Stick a CB up front even. 

    Too embedded to a way of wanting to play, rather than seeing and adjusting what's in front of your eyes.

    Last night didn't annoy me because of the defeat! It was the way! And a decent amount of that comes down to the philosophy and severe lack of adjustments... Surely, if you want your players to be both brave and make in game decisions, shouldn't that apply to management too?

     

     

     

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  11. I don't remember watching too many 0-1s where i felt the score was flattering.  However There's no point being too annoyed.

    It's leeds, let's be fair a point would have been a bonus, but it's the performance which is depressing.

    The next two games, it's tough to see a win, even if football never works like that.

    QPR though, that's a game that really does needs to be won, and playing well.

    Making a full scale management change mid season....a winter transfer, mostly focused on the fruits of tomorrow...

    To me that's a football club writing off this season, planning for next..... getting to the point where drawing/losing generates a shrug and move on. (Even if it still just takes a good run👻)

    It's clear... Not going up, not going back. Using this season to figure out who stays. If those in charge aren't all in on this season, it's kind of pointless letting city rule my emotions in a way that doesn't match.

     

     

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