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Moments of Pleasure

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  1. Bizarre, but not unusual or unheard of. This sort of "create your own truth/reality" is a common human frailty. The "truth isn't truth" as Rovers' lawyer, Rudy Guiliani put it recently. There is the truth - 47,029 - according to those that simply report how many people attended that game, and have no need or interest in making things up and believing fairy stories; and then there's the alternative "truth," or the Rovers' "truth," which is what they want it to be: 60k crowd with 47,029 gas. And so it goes on.....
  2. Danny Baker was not wrong or joking when he called them "pathological liars" on the radio years ago; nor was I yesterday when I likened them to Trump and his "if you believe (enough) it, it's true" you make your own reality self-delusion, although I somewhat underplayed it and didn't go far enough. They really are quite odd/weird/sad.
  3. It's the same psychological approach as POTUS Trump and his belief that more people turnt up for his inauguration than did for Obama. You just keep saying it over and over and over ..... 31k...35k.....keep hammering away ..... 31k.....35k......41k......45k....and over and over ....... and again and again ...... 41k.....45k.....massive......it's just what we do.....45k.....and never stop.......41k....45k.....massive......big as Norwich.......and over and over.....gurt franchise......45k.....47k........ until the whole attendance becomes your support that day.....and you completely believe something that has no relation to truth or reality......47k.......massive.....but it doesn't matter.....gurt Teds........because in your head, it is now true....49k gas at the Conference final.....massive......bigger than Norwich......
  4. Interesting how little response there is to this positive thread. Not only are we too often too hard on our own team and club, but we don't half beat ourselves up about our support too. Our support is not like Leeds or Sheffs Weds or Utd, or Villa or Forest, but neither is our record or history, so why would it be? The vocal support last night kept the players' heads up and rescued a disappointing defeat from a dispiriting one. It made a difference. It might bear fruit at Wigan; the players won't forget that encouragement (note the word: courage there), not while we continue to back them. Reproduce that supportive and encouraging atmosphere at home games, and we can do better than we think in this division.
  5. Some more facts as regards "identity" would be: City owned by Bristolian, local bods on the board, local kiddies coming through the academy into the first team, playing at their home of more than 100 years, singing distinct songs "unique" to us; Rovers owned by an overseas family/gentleman, some bloke from Swansea on the board and playing - currently; they have thrilled their thousands at a number of "homes" over the years - at the historic home of Bristol rugby, while singing an old Plymouth Argyle supporters' song.
  6. And after 10 seasons of Championship football in 12 years, still then?
  7. So what made the difference pre-Lansdown? Need I remind you of our superior record and history to yours before Steve or Jon had been to AG??
  8. Just the two 1-0 wins last season, and we have matched that already this season.
  9. There's something in this but it's not enough on it's own - as QPR demonstrate. And as Brentford demonstrated prior to their current owner being involved there. Matthew Benham became majority shareholder in summer 2012 and Brentford's record since then cannot be unrelated, I wouldn't have thought. So, in answer to the OP, my answer/guess would be: Matthew Benham.
  10. It's great to see that, even sitting third in the table one point off the top and four wins on the bounce, we can still find something to fight, fight, wherever you may be about. It's just what we dooobi doooobi do. Keep it going, me babbers
  11. Who fired him, then? Clueless....
  12. This time in 2007, we had 13 points with 3 wins and 4 draws. We couldn't, could we?
  13. Just had a look - Johnson senior had four wins in a row, 2007/8. At a guess, that would be the one before last season's.
  14. Nine new threads relating to today's game since the final whistle, plus another about Tuesday's game, and people still adding to the match day thread. Looks busy to me, and most in good cheer - happy days.
  15. I think that's 5 in 5 for Dack. And he missed the game at our place.
  16. I do like beating those dirty northern ..... Sheff Utd. It doesn't happen often enough, so thanks LJ and the boys. Very well done.
  17. Marlon Pack eats sweet potato but not red meat, which is why we are harder to beat and dominating midfield/never put a foot in and teams just waltz straight through us (delete as appropriate at 5pm Saturday)
  18. I think you might have been taken in by their relentless alternative-truth peddling and myth-making and very selective attention-drawing to the away days that support their "massive" claims, and their silence on the away days that do not support anything of the sort. Rovers have played 4 times at the Hawthorns. In their history. 4 times! There will be a fair number of City fans that will have been to West Brom four times, or more. I think it is fair to say that us going to West Brom and them going to West Brom is not comparing like-with-like (this forum has covered this and the "context" of such comparisons with us and them and Wolves); we are used to attending such venues. When we go to Villa, it is different; we sell out, and will probably do so again. Play them often enough, and at some point, we won'the sell out (we are not a football hot bed or giant with unlimited support. Neither are Rovers). The last time they played there was 25 years ago (in their absence we have been there six times), so yes, there would be some novelty and excitement for them going to West Brom. Unfortunately, we are becoming a bit blasé about such things. This is our 10th season of second tier football in the last 12 seasons; Rovers have had as much L2 football as L1 football in that time so L1 is more "fresh" for them than the Championship is for us. Even so, short-ish trips to Shrewsbury are already losing their appeal for them. All this being said, if you compare our following with Leeds or Wednesday or Boro or Villa then, yes: piss poor. But if you want to try the Rovers approach to all this, then just keep in mind that we in fact sold out on our last visit there and took 5,300. Massive.
  19. 1. We are not, and never have been, the most demonstrative or "passionate," or excitable, or cocky or showy or "needy" area of the country. In my experience. I've been around the UK watching football and to gigs, and crowds/audiences in Bristol are nothing like as enthusiastic/religiously hyped up as Glasweigans, as enthusiastic/emotional and sentimental as Geordies or Scousers, as shouty/"look how loud we can shout and swear!" as people in say Stoke or Leeds, not as "singy" as the Welsh (not that you'd know it at Cardiff), not as self-deprecating and humorous as say Man City or Sheff Weds, not as violently aggressive/territorial as Millwall and some others (much as many on here would like to think we are, or once were, or might still be, if only Downsy'd stop embarrassing us). We are nothing like as obnoxious and "look at us; we're wonderful, you wish you were us" as most London clubs, and one or two northern clubs/once famous clubs (hi, Villa fans!) 2. We are not as regionally prowed and anti-south east England as Liverpool, Manchester, Yorkshire, Wales etc. We are laid back. And even a little embarrassed about ourselves (witness the cultural "shaming" and derision of the "yokel" accent). We lack the burning rage and desire of economically deprived areas of the country to stick two fingers up at London and make a noise about how wonderful they are (even if we're not, really). We're just not that into ourselves. 3. The greatest contribution to popular music from this region - Massive Attack's 1991 album "Blue Lines" - consisted of three Bristol kiddies whispering, mumbling, stuttering and er, talking, not singing. Meanwhile, a bird from elsewhere was brought in to belt out some words at the top of her voice. Then, on subsequent albums, more birds from anywhere other than Bristol were brought in to stand at the front under the spotlight and do the singing, while the Bristol kiddies continued to whisper, mumble and talk in the shadows, or, in Portishead's case, scratch some records with a needle and make some fiddly/widdly/scratchy noises. 4. Bristol is, and was, a quieter place than Sheffield, or Birmingham/the Black Country. They all worked in filthy, bloody noisy industrial places and had to "SHOUT!" just to hear each other, and their hearing went, and so they had to shout on a Saturday at Brammall Lane and the Hawthorns, and then went on to invent Heavy Metal and Industrial Synth music and so on, so loud so that they could hear it, what with their severely impaired hearing (Phil Oakley, singer - note: singer, not mumbler/whisperer - from Sheffield, had his hair cut accordingly, so he could hear properly from his one good ear). Meanwhile, we were mumbling and whispering, and inventing "trip hop." All true, this. 4. For lots of reasons, we are simply just not as into football as other areas of the country, possibly because of some of the above (although not so much the whispering and the mumbling of point 3). It is, therefore, excellent and encouraging that we are currently attracting the size of crowds that we are. 5. Our chins do go down on our chests too quickly and too easily, we doubt ourselves, we are crestfallen, when we go a goal behind. But that does not mean we only sing when we're winning; we don't always do that, either. So fair play to us for that. We do seem, often, to start games well, with some decent noise and a bit of enthusiasm; but this either stops on about 20 minutes or so, or with the opposition taking the lead. We lack resilience, belief, a sense of humour and a sense of proportion (if we lose, it's not quite, ever, the end of the season/club/dominance over Rovers/world; we can still enjoy ourselves/shout for our team/take the piss out of ourselves/ call the ref a ****), as well as all the stuff mentioned in points 1, 2, 4 etc. We really could have a bit more fun, and get more from our team, and more out of our Saturday, by sticking by them a bit more when they are struggling; by being a bit more emotional/sentimental/enthusiastic, or if you like, Geordie/Scouse. 6. Wherever we put the heroic S82, who battle against all of this, wherever we put them in the ground, they are still going to be Bristol City fans from Bristol and the surrounding areas + Sweden, mumbling, whispering, staring at the floor and feeling sorry for ourselves when we ain't beating Leeds Utd. 7. We're just a bit quiet @leader wherever we are. We have our moments, of course we do, but we always have been, and likely always will be, a bit quiet. Oh well. 8. We are not, yet, however, Reading. But we are, I fear, going that way. 9. Perhaps we can bus in some birds from elsewhere, to stop us becoming Reading.
  20. The Lark Ascending, glorious. RVW born near Swindon, too (but in Gloucestershire). Elgar's Cello Concerto is "right up there," too. Beethoven's 6th Symphony, "Pastoral," works for me after a home defeat. A home defeat + Pachelbel's Cannon in D (or, say, Samuel Barber's funereal adagio for strings), not recommended. Better off trying some Morrisey.
  21. All the best laid plans, and all that. So, after doing things by the books, and with all our accounts in order, and all our financial "eyes" dotted and "teas" crossed (we're not owned by an accountant for nothing) we're ready, finally, this time - more than any other time - we're all geared up to "go for it" in 2019/20 only - would you flippin believe it? - for bloody Newcastle and West Ham to be relegated along with Cardiff, instead of Huddersfield and someone else as crap and they've-had-their-moment as Huddersfield, and the Championship, incredibly, if it were possible, looks harder and more competitive still than ever before, what with Sam Allardyce's Derby County going for it big time as well, and Aston Villa's new owners (replacing 2018's new owners) quite unbelievably adding Juve's CR7 and LA Galaxy's Zlatan Ibrahimovic to their forward line of Kodjia, Abraham, Bolasie, Albert and A. Weimann (£10m buy in January window), plus Sergio Ramos shoring up the Villa back line, on £450k a week (but still struggling to beat Brentford at home, resulting in new Villa boss Thierry Henry bemoaning his lack of midfield options) and even Darrell Clarke's newly promoted Bristol Rovers ruffling a few feathers with their cocky "we're coming for the lot of you" Downs-football bravado, and then, as if this wasn't enough to contend with, out of nowhere, staggeringly, and end-of-the-maximum-wage level controversially, so-called City fan Richard Scudamore announcing an "essential, and long-overdue" re-structuring of the Prem (before disappearing into retirement, in the Bahamas) reducing the number of clubs to prevent a World League breakaway of elite clubs, meaning only one automatic promotion place for the time being, and finally Sunderland pipping us to promotion by playing out a 2:2 draw for the one point they need at the Mem with the ball being passed around the centre circle for the last 70 minutes ....or WW3 breaks out with Russia/China, or something. It would be so Bristol City....
  22. Well, because other clubs have parachute payments, and more dosh, and better players, and stronger benches, and Frank Lampard, and, if I can say this on here, better/been-there-and-done-it-and-got-the-baseball-cap managers. All this, we know, makes their chances of promotion greater than ours. Nine times out of ten. Yeah, quite probably. You certainly like to think so. We'd have been fresher, no doubt. But as others have said, we had injuries during the cup run and playing Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday did not impact negatively on league form last autumn, going into winter. We were 7th in the Championship when we knocked Palace out in October, then went on a run of 8 wins in 11 league games, and had climbed to 2nd by the time of the LC quarter - final. All this without Fam and a proper right back, and Bailey Wright was then suspended for 3 games, I think, in this run (and also O'Dowda was crocked during this period). You could look at that and deduce: the cup run and beating Prem sides gave us confidence and belief, and that it benefitted the league form, tremendously. We were on a high. We were sailing along. So, I'm not sure: was the cup run detrimental, or beneficial? Or could it have been both, first the latter, then the former? From the league cup exit at the end of January, we had no cup games to worry about and players coming back from injury, notably Fam. Plus three new signings in January, fresh legs at the very least. We beat QPR with ten men a few days after Man City at home, but then our form fell off a cliff. With no cup games, and a growing squad, our confidence and belief appeared to desert us. February was a disappointing month, with no wins. The Sunderland game was, in my view, pivotal. Three nil up at half-time, a return to winning ways was in the bag. Did we throw that away because of the cup games, and or the injuries? Patterson had his shirt pulled in the area at 3-1 or 3-2 and nothing was given, so that would've helped, but the side that clung on at Sheff Utd and Leeds couldn't do it at home v serial losers and relegation-bound Sunderland. Interestingly, LJ held his hands up after that one and took responsibility, saying: "I have to hold my hands up and say, tactically, I got it wrong in the second half. I should have settled for 3:0. I probably got excited, and felt they were there for the taking.....So, my fault...." Not something we generally associate with LJ, that. It was too early to call after 24 games last season, when we beat Reading on Boxing Day, so yes, it's still a bit early! We have been well beaten by Sheff Utd at home in recent times (I think it's three straight league wins here for them) and they are the sort of team and coach that tend to make mincemeat of LJ and his well-intentioned but slightly soft football, so with this in mind and plenty of time to prepare, it will be very interesting to see how we go about this game. I'd imagine they might target Kelly again, for instance. Three wins in a row makes everyone feel better but in early September I am surprised that so many are quite as optimistic as they are on this thread. I haven't a clue what will happen this season, and know that predictions about this game are treacherous (I thought we were dowe in 2016/17). But don't let me spoil your optimistic outlook! (I hope Sheff Utd don't, either). One more thought on this: Because it's Bristol City.
  23. Blimey. You really think so? I think in any one game, over 90 minutes, of 11 v 11, we always have some chance of upsetting the odds, of giving the other eleven a difficult afternoon, and sometimes a bloody nose, irrespective of the opponents' budget, but we all know that it is a different thing over 46 games. First things first: Is this team good enough to beat Sheff Utd at home?
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