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  1. That's one of the reasons I was confused about their ground sale yesterday, see my post below: I had thought it was earlier this year, but it seems it was actually in December 2018. My 'very big trouble' bit was paraphrased as eight figures seems very big trouble to me! But breaking it by an eight figure sum doesn't fit with their accounts from end of July 2018? They were also under an embargo from April until mid August 2018, according to this BBC article. Would the EFL not have immediately lifted their embargo once notified of the sale?
  2. I think it was earlier this year their owner told them they would be in very big trouble with FFP if they didn't get promoted? If they had already done the stadium sale then that's not the case? That makes me think it was backdated, they seen us do it (after their owner made those comments) and realised they could do it too? Does the fact that it was sold (according to Kieran Maguire) to a Hong Kong holding company (so not on Companies House?) make a difference at all? I know they announced it as a related party transaction.
  3. I thought there was a land registry entry that showed in May of this year it was owned by the club? Can you backdate? I know it was something you questioned about ours until finding that land registry entry from January(?) (ironically on Owlstalk!) I presume the loss level is because apart from Hunt to you, I don't think they've actually sold anyone else since their owner took over?
  4. Got to admit I'm a little confused about this one. Just took a look at their 2017 accounts, on page 26 (29 of the pdf) under note 11, it says that in 2014 the freehold buildings were valued at £22,250,000. And you thought ours was a big increase!
  5. I don't know re. the loan settlement. There was a lot of work done on the academy, but I'm not sure on the timings of it, some may have been later, I'm also not sure if it would come under the Infrastructure Expenditure or the Youth Expenditure, it almost doubled in size area wise (I don't think the first team use the pitches in the new area, so that may come under the Youth?) and there were buildings added inside the main u-shaped one (which I assume everyone will use, so probably the Infrastructure?). That article does say: That could mean the replacement pitches (changed to hybrid), as I think they were installed at the same time as the stadiums, and not the brand new ones in the newly acquired area, which is the bit I think could have been later. Re. 4, I know we do a lot of Community work, but I've no idea of the costs involved.
  6. We announced the FFP loss in 2015/16 as £9m here
  7. I mentioned this in post 678, I actually quoted that particular section of the rules! (1.1.2 and (a)) The old rules (from the first tweet) are the ones in Part 1 on the EFL website, they relate to 2015/16. The new rules (from the second tweet) are the ones in Part 2 they relate to 2016/17 onwards. The old rules seem to only be there as a reference because the year 2015/16 was included in the 3 year rolling period leading to 2017/18.
  8. I've got no idea which accounts are used for the FFP submissions. I've said before, the club have been saying for the last few years that we need to get our costs in line, we are reducing our costs for the future, the players bought in will be on less than the ones leaving, that will start to come to fruition now that a lot of contracts are ending in a few days time, then there will be a few more this time next year.
  9. We didn't break the rules so I'm not sure why that keeps getting mentioned! That's not what he was saying at all, he's talking about it from our point of view obviously as he's our owner and he only sees how it directly affects us, but if you think he's not aware that all other non parachute clubs have the same issues then I think you've listened to it wanting to hear that and not listened to what was actually said.
  10. It was a really good listen, as a Derby fan I feel very lucky to have him as our owner! He actually mentioned the stadium valuation, he said about having it valued and paying the valuation and 'if I'd have bought it for a penny less then I'd have had HMRC on my back asking me why I've undersold' or something along those lines, I can't remember the exact wording. As I had mentioned before, he talked about using the stadium for events, he mentioned that currently it is only used for around 30 days of the year and how many clubs want to use their stadium for events during the close season and that there's too many basically so you don't get much for it and how we can use it during the season. He talked about having a retractable roof put onto the stadium (as the local rumours had been saying, and also as confirmed in that Sky article) and also finding a way of covering the pitch that was not only quick, but allowed the pitch to grow and flourish rather than yellow and die, as we still want to play good football so don't want a dodgy pitch, he said if this worked the way we think it will then it will allow use of the stadium for 100 events a year and bring in around £12m revenue! You can actually listen to it via the TalkSport website, if you go via the 'Schedule' link at the top, then click the 'Listen Again' link for the Jim White show, it's on there in 30 minute sections, he came into the studio around 10.45am.
  11. Ha, funnily enough that's exactly what I am, although add in the word season between Stand and ticket. I'm certain (because I don't have any inside information) that if you go through my posts and search anything that I've put you will find it somewhere, if not then it's probably something that was in one of the televised fan forums that we've had, or possibly a radio interview, which it's possible may not be transcribed in an article anywhere.
  12. No, I'm just a fan, someone else asked the same question previously. I'm not sure what you mean by the tone of my posts, if you mean because I stand up for my club, then doesn't everyone? I'm not saying anything that's not public knowledge - because I don't have any inside information.
  13. Was someone celebrating? I was just pointing out some facts as you were implying we were such a poorly run club. I wasn't saying it was perfect, but you have to make the best of every situation and I believe that's what we've done by finishing in the top nine whilst having all those changes. I know everyone craves stability, but you certainly can't blame the last two managerial changes (well one and that's one expected very shortly) on Mel Morris. Rowett when appointed admitted he had wanted this job for years (source), he's lived in Derby for over 20 years, his son has grown up supporting us. Who would have expected him to walk out on us to go to Stoke in the manner he did after a season and a bit? To be honest by the end of the season quite a few of our fans were getting frustrated with his pragmatism. Going into the second leg of the play offs against Fulham trying to hold onto a lead rather than attack didn't help. In hindsight, with that in mind and with the season that followed, getting almost £2m for him was actually great business. Our fans annoyance with him leaving and the whole 'snake' thing was due to his comments after rebuffing their advances once and signing a new contract here in the January (source) and then choosing to walk out, to the same club, when they were no longer even in the league above us, about four and a half months later! A cynic would wonder if he just didn't want the likely relegation on his CV? With Lampard - who on earth, regardless of his standing at Chelsea, would expect them, a club that finished third in the Premier League and won the Europa League, to come after a Championship clubs manager after just a year in management?! It feels so odd to even type those words it's that strange a situation. Our fans obviously want him to stay but we know that's not going to happen, it's Frank Lampard and Chelsea, he's not going to turn them down when they come calling, as much as we'd like him to. But it would be the same situation no matter the club he was at, regardless of their standing and league, if Chelsea came calling he'd be going. At least when they do the £4m they will have to pay helps the finances. We apparently added in a clause that means it costs more for them to take him because they're in the Champions League, so, if true, that can only be described as clever business sense.
  14. If you actually look at the situations at the time there was one (McClaren) in place in May 2014 when he bought a minority (22%) stake in the club, then there was another (Clement) in place in September 2015 when he bought the rest of the club (source), since then we've had four permanent managers (Pearson, McClaren MKII, Rowett and Lampard), one interim (Wassall - after Clement) and one caretaker (Powell - after Pearson). Sam Rush, ex CEO, left in May 2017, when Rowett was in charge. So while you may say the next one will be the ninth under Mel Morris, it's not as simple as that, it rarely is. For all the manager changes we've actually not finished below ninth in that time, and we've finished in the play offs for four out of the last six seasons, there's worse clubs to be. Anyway, at least when Frank goes we'll have made around £6m in compensation from the last two, better than having to pay them off!
  15. It's just been announced that our Chief Executive Stephen Pearce has joined yours and Reading's on the EFL Board today. Can we assume from that, given that they are selected by the other clubs in the division that there is no problem between us and the majority of clubs re. FFP as had been rumoured on here? I can't imagine they would have voted our CEO onto the board if there were issues?!
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