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Everything posted by AnotherDerbyFan

  1. You're better off going for a reset next season and get the high earners off you wage bill. Then go for a playoff push the following season. Too many seasons of pushing the boat out just makes it a bit harder to regain control.
  2. Pearce was asked about the accounts on Radio Derby the other day. He said ours haven’t been filed due to the ongoing EFL P&S case, and depending on the outcome may have to make adjustments. It makes sense, but couldn't we submit the accounts as they are, then make adjustments (if required) in the following accounts? Still doesn't explain Sheff Weds.
  3. Based on a quick Google search, Weimann was on the 3rd of July. Based on a couple of our sales (such as Ince) which completed on similar dates, I belive his sale falls into the previous season. It should be Derby vs Extension but figures won't be massively out if you use original instead. I should point out, that I think the figures stated in the accounts include add-ons (I certainly hope so!). Total potential add-ons in 17/18 about £13m. I would therefore assume that our amortisation in following years should be lower than estiamte due to not paying out on promotion bonuses and appe
  4. I believe there are a few methods in use: All upfront (typically used in non-league I believe) The infamous Derby method - use of residual values Amortise over the original contract Make adjustments if a contract extension has been signed Impairment being an additional part to most club policies Just from using figures from transfermarkt (plus filling in a couple of blanks), you can see the difference between the methods here: KM has overstated the figures by about about £2.3m (2016), £2.7m (2017) and £4m (2018) compared with the 'acceptable' me
  5. Keep up. Patrick Robert, Beni Banigime, Issac Success, Freddie Ladapo and Marshall Munetsi have all been linked in the last 24 hours or so. Mancienne is a new one that I haven't heard. That rumour looks to have been started by a Metro Sport 'journalist'.
  6. Hardly over the odds. It's no secret we have some of the most talented youngsters in the country. With Brexit and clubs no longer allowed to pick up the best youngsters in Europe, the big boys are picking off the best from those in this country instead. Reports suggest that we're getting Mengi on loan because the fees we're getting are below what they're actually worth
  7. I think it depends on the circumstances for the delay. If it's a consequence of the EFL's appeals for example... Presumably he's used the very basic amortisation method (over original contract), rather than one of the other accepted methods (taking account of contract extensions). My calculations estimate £30m for the old method (£15m lower than Kieran's guess). As you point out, profit on players would also increase, notably Ince and Weimann.
  8. How dare a club reject the first offer they receive for a player! Let's not forget the fact he's one of only 6 'defenders' we have (and we often play 5 at the back) for the rest of the season. Let's also forget the fact he's the only CB we have under contract beyond this season. He's worth more to us than just £500k even with our cash flow issues.
  9. It's just a matter of common sense. 'Senior players': Roos, Marshall, Byrne, Wisdom, Evans, Davies, Clarke, Forsyth, Bielik, Shinnie, Lawrence, Jozwiak, Ibe, Waghorn, Kazim Recent academy graduates: Buchanan, Bird, Knight, Sibley, Whittaker That's our first team squad. Just 20 players. Even our youth sides are low on numbers. U18s are regulars in the U23 squad, U16s are regulars in the U18 squad It's just a matter of time before the club gets a bit off cash to pay outstanding wages - either Mel's own funds or another loan. Pay the wages = out of embargo = a couple of player
  10. Byrne, Marshall and Shinnie brought in when we had a soft embargo? max wages of£12k pw. Given Kazim's history and the role he was brought in to play (cheap backup), I'll be surprised if he's on more than £6k. Not part of the wage bill? I think you're referring to a comment he made at a fans forum in 2019, where he claimed 40% of the wage bill had not kicked a ball for the club (or barely featured) in that season up to that point. That 40% costing about £1.25m per month. Based on those figures, the wage bill for the season was £37.5m in 18/19. He claimed those players makin
  11. Look at the players to have left since 17/18 and compare with those to have joined. In: Waghorn, Marriott, Jozefzoon, Holmes, Malone, Evans, Bielik, Shinnie, Jozwiak, Ibe, Marshall, Byrne, Kazim, Clarke (loan). Rooney manger. Factor in Marriott, Jozefzoon and Malone being out on loan too. Out: Vydra, Weimann, Shackell, Jerome, Bent, Baird, Ledley, Nugent, Butterfield, Blackman, Pearce, Johnson, Bryson, Thorne, Keogh, Olsson, Martin, Anya, Huddlestone. Rowett manager That's not including some of the players to have been on lesser wages (Jamie Hanson, Luke Thomas, Bennett, etc.
  12. I'll be surprised if it is staggered as I'm struggling to think of an instance this has happened in the past for any club. With the Final being the end of May, I would have expected that money to be accounted for by July. I don't doubt the EFL could have put a much stronger case forward if that chose a competent expert. With the EFL not appealing this part of the charge then I think this is the end of it. I thought the rules prevented the submission of new evidence, instead only appealing the decision based on the evidence already provided. Maybe asked a friend/colleagu
  13. A harsher punishment due to unexpected takeover delays seems harsh to me. Mel was assured the takeover would complete on the 24th of December and the wage bill will be accounted for. If he knew he would have freed up some cash, but he didn't know so he didn't free it up. However, if an owner simply chooses not to pay the wages then that obviously required harsher punishment. Seems to be in part due to the charges brought upon the two clubs by the EFL. I don't think it has a material impact on P&S submissions so does it really matter to the EFL? I'm with you on the 2021 peri
  14. We're currently under a soft embargo due to not paying the wages. Once paid, the embargo should be lifted. It appears like Covid has helped us pass P&S for 19/20 and 20/21 due to the 4 year period. I wouldn't bet against P&S losses for the 18/19 and 19/20 seasons to be far off £25m and £36m respectively. I recall the Decision Document stated £29.5m for 18/19, which wouldn't include the playoffs or the Lampard compensation. There's no way we would have stayed within the P&S limits for the 2020 period and 2021 would have been difficult, requiring a lot more academy graduates bei
  15. Going in to admin would mean the most promising youngsters leaving for next to nothing. A better worst-case option for me would be to sell the older players to cover the shortfall in cash, even if it means failing P&S. Better to keep our best players (and receive more cash in the long term) and take a points deduction than take a points deduction and sell them for very little. Suggestions of £12m in wages to cover until the end of the season (when we're left with very few high earners on the books). We're currently set to be down to 11 players staying at the club next season who didn't com
  16. If I’ve understood that post correctly, that’s £20m total amortisation still to show up in the accounts. £10m this season, £5m next (Lawrence and Evans’ contracts end), then £5m over the following two seasons (Bielik’s contract ends). As we both know, some of those players will sign extensions delaying the amortisation shown. Looking at the squad, I’d be surprised if first team wages were much higher than £20m. Total club wages will probably be £5m higher. How would changes to the amortisation and stadium rules affect solidarity payments from the PL? I thought I re
  17. Fancy a bet on which club makes it to the Premier League first?
  18. Move on and forget about the stadium valuation. The EFL already has.
  19. The training ground is owned by the club Regarding the squad based on the OS: Goalkeepers: 1st choice, 2nd choice, keeper we want to loan out, U23 keeper Defenders: 5 competing for a start, 1 ageing pro who will have limited game time, 1 U18 player Midfielders: 1 player coming back from a year long injury and will still be out for a couple of months, 1 CB/DM cover, 2 U23 players, 6 others Forwards: 2 are wingers, 2 are forwards 25 players listed in total, with 4 of them have never kicked a ball in professional football, and a further 7 have played fewer than 100 games.
  20. £81.1m originally. Marked down to £74.4m to get through the P&S submissions, with view to enter further discussions at a later date. At the later date, both sides agreed to using the £81.1m figure. Probably the only position we don't need any players.
  21. Those two being sold should mean we'll meet the 4 years to 2021 P&S limits. We were hoping to get more for Bennett and actually sell Malone and Jozefzoon, which may have meant keeping one of Lowe/Bogle. The coronavirus impact and P&S period changing to 4 years appears to have saved us from a hefty penalty, for what would have been the 3 years to 2020. Although, if it wasn't for the extended season, we would have almost certainly sold players to stay within limits anyway. We've got a paper thin squad now, with only 16 senior players, one of which we're doing whatever we can to
  22. Changes between 17/18 and 18/19... Wages removed: Russell (1/2 season), Palmer (1/2 loan), Vydra, Weimann, Shackell (minus 1/2 season loan in 17/18), Blackman, Lowe (loan), Jerome (1/2 season), Martin (minus 1/2 season loan in 17/18), Baird, Bent (minus 1/2 season loan in 17/18), Pearce (1/2 season), Thorne (1/2 season), Butterfield (1/2 season loan), Ledley (1/2 season) Wages added: Waghorn, Marriott, Jozefzoon, Holmes, Evans, Wilson, Mount, Tomori, Cole (1/2 season), King (1/2 season), Ambrose (1/2 season) I guess the profit on players is the difference between mine and the of
  23. @Mr Popodopolous My rough calculation process... Using 2018 P&S losses as a base point: £7,207,000 Subtract the stadium profit, profit on players, managers and amortisation from 2018: £7,207,000 - £39,940,387 - £3,719,424 - £1,850,000 + £6,540,038 = -£31,762,773 Add on the confirmed amortisation and stadium rent in 2019: -£31,762,773 - 4,600,000 - 1,139,726 = -£37,502,499 Add on estimated profit on players (The club received fees for Vydra, Weimann, Jerome): -£37,50
  24. It's stated in the Decision document. £6.5 in 17/18, £4.6 in 18/19, £25.1 in 19/20. Page 30, Section 59 Which doesn't take in to account work completed later on. £28m covers initial build, then filling in of the corners. On a DRC basis the final amout using those figures was £74.4m (missing £3m due to feeds and finance costs) I can only assume you don't visit away grounds. When was the last time you visited Derby? 'Similar' ground such as Stoke, Southampton, Middlesbrough and even Swansea are considerably below the standard of PPS, despite being built to a si
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